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A question on war

If you are not willing to sacrifice your child or lover for a war , is it really worth fighting? 
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Of course not. But it's curious that you've left out any details whatsoever about this hypothetical war. The answer could change depending on the nature of the scenario you pose.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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I'm putting the question as put by a philosopher nothing else was given , the word sacrifice is used a lot when people talk about past wars so that could be telling .

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Hi Grenache question re-worded thanks to Nic ๐Ÿ‘Œ....................

Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Thank you. Then I'll revise my answer here to say "Of course not. If you're not willing to let the people you love to be sacrificed for the cause then you shouldn't be going to war."

I don't support war anyway, so definitely not.

But, this is an interesting question. A better way of putting it might be "if you are not willing to sacrifice your child or lover for a war, is it really worth fighting?"

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Hi Nic , when I came across the question I realised it was worded in a particular way which indeed was done intentionally by the philosopher ; I must say I like your re-wording and I shall change it ๐Ÿ‘Œ Thanks

No problem, glad I could help.

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Amarel(5669) Clarified
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What do you mean when you say you don't support war? Is it akin to saying you don't support fighting?

NicolasCage(505) Clarified
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I should've been more clear there, my apologies.

Whilst I do think sometimes war is necessary (WW2 for instance, Hitler's expansion was extremely aggressive not to mention the treatment of the Jews) I think that there is almost always too thin a line between who is in the right/wrong.

War should always be the last option (nuclear war should never be an option) because often the differences leading to conflict can be resolved through good diplomacy. Take the Cuban Missile Crisis (and the entire Cold War, in fact) as a perfect example - if JFK had ditched diplomacy and just looked straight to a violent resolution, would we even be here talking right now?

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I do have a question. Do you mean that you are making your child or lover go to war or that you are going to war and have to sacrifice being with your child or lover?

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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Does anyone 'make ' you do anything ? .........................

Not if you have a free will to make the decision.

But you don't.

Or perhaps you do?

The idea is structurally possible, at least.

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I think very few people would willingly ''SACRIFICE' their loved ones for an unnecessary war.

However, depending on the reason for ''the war'', such as an imminent invasion threat of one's country, most people would ''RISK'' their own lives and the lives of their family and loved ones to defend their homeland.

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Isn't risking your life the same exact thing as being willing to sacrifice yourself?

Antrim(1287) Disputed
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Sacrifice is defined in the Oxford Dictionary as 'the practice or an act of ''killing'' an animal or person as an offering to a deity.

Within the context of the question in which the word was used, 'sacrifice' could only mean ''certain death'', whereas 'risk' describes a situation which involves an exposure to danger which may not necessarily incur any injury whatsoever never mind death.

If you ''sacrificed'' your life to save your best friend ( have you any?) you'd be dead and he/she would hopefully be alive. Otherwise you'd have ''sacrificed your life in vain.

If however, you ''risked'' your life to save your friend, you would not necessarily have sustained any harm at all and you could both ''go down the pub''for a few beers. He's buying.

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If you are not willing to sacrifice your child or lover for a war , is it really worth fighting?

The question doesn't eliminate the requirement for context to provide a proper answer. Sometimes an unwillingness to sacrifice loved ones is precisely the reason a war is worth fighting. Sometimes it is the reason to refrain from the fight.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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People when talking about previous wars will mention the sacrifice made by ancestors and the part they played in conflicts .

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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Yes. Is this a stand-alone comment; or is there a follow-up question?

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Define "war". If you're referring to the large scale war between countries, yes I do think a war can be worth fighting even if I'm not willing to sacrifice my child or lover. It's for their preservation that the war is worth fighting.

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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Why would you need the term war defined ? ................

sylynn(626) Disputed
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Terms, no matter how simple they appear, should be defined in debate as to avoid possible confusion. I have seen debates on here and even those taking place in stage where arguments end up not making sense because a word was being used differently than intended. So, if by "war" you mean a literal war such as the example I gave between nations, I provided an answer. If however you were using the term in a figurative or metaphorical sense, my answer could be different.

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Heavily depends on what the end result of the war is and what will happen.

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I'm not entirely sure there are too many wars that are worth fighting. I guess it will always depend on the scenario of this particular war.

I don't think, as a mother, I would ever want to see my children go off to fight in it, nor my husband. Would I go off to fight something that I felt in my soul was important enough to stand for? I would like to say yes but again, I don't know for sure. I would chose sending myself over my children any day though.

To put another question in though, who decides when we actually go to war? Those who only do so after guaranteeing the protection of their own loved ones, or those who truly believe in a cause?

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
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"Who decides when we actually go to war?" Does that question really need to be asked ? You do not know the answer to that question ?

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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I don't know could you hazard a guess ? It doesn't really but I thought ... what the hell go for it ๐Ÿ™€

No , I don't that's why I asked it .... any more probing questions ?

Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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This is more a tongue in cheek question as it seems those that declare war have everything to gain and little to lose. Not all, I'm sure, but who declares war the loudest, those with passion or those with greed?

Hopefully that makes sense.

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That question should asked of the Muslims who have been at war since 1492 ! Ever heard of the Barbary Pirates ?

Dermot(5736) Clarified
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Would they not be dead 1492 is a while back .... ..........

outlaw60(15368) Clarified
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All has to do with war and disputing the fact does not dismiss the fact. Muslims have been at war since 1492 and still are today. So go ask Muslims at any Mosque about a question of war and see how well you are greeted.

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I think "War Pigs" and "Fortunate Son" are a good representation of what I believe.

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The sacrifice of war is too great a price for the individual, and never enough for a nation.๐Ÿ˜•

Great question

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Hi daver ๐Ÿ‘ŒThanks ๐Ÿ‘Œ I like that quote ..............

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I have been thinking precisely that. If you are not willing to let it happen to your child then why should it happen at all. There are many people who support the death penalty and torture. But when faced with the question of should that happen to your child should they commit the crime they say no. I thought the same thing about what the many leaders of the world are doing. They send countless troops to fight a preventable war but they would never let their children go out and die for the cause. They wouldn't even go out and fight themselves. In my opinion it is hypocritical nonsense.

-Yuri-(284) Disputed
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if my child does something worthy of the death penalty or torture then so be it. The issue with the people you are generalizing is they all are persuaded by emotion rather then clear logic

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If you are not willing to sacrifice your loved ones and the other side(enemies) are willing to make such sacrifices and are ready fight, unwillingly to back down or accept any negotiations, you therefore increase the possibility of you loosing the war(being conquered), possibility of becoming slaves, your land invaded by enemies who will cause chaos, take lives which might include your so called loved ones . So it is worth it, Die trying.