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Ask yourself why you are so offended by displays of our Christian heritage.
Hello From:
You
ASK the question above, but you DON'T wanna HEAR an answer, so you ban
me. There ain't much I can say about that.. But, I have PLENTY to say
about your post...
Certainly,
pursuant to the 1st Amendment, we have religious liberty in this great
country.. That means, if we let Christians display their symbols in the
public square, we'd have to let other religions display theirs..
So, lemme ask you... Would you be OFFENDED by Muslim displays in the public square?? It's a simple question..
I'm not "offended by displays of YOUR Christian heritage … in their place. FromWhatever mentions "our" like it means HIS United States and everyone in it is, or should be, "Christian". That is un-Constitutional to the max! Freedom of religion does NOT mean freedom to worship only the Christian way! Does NOT mean the religion with the most money can advertise its invisible god anywhere it pleases …. and enough to blot out other religions.
When we pledge, we place our hand on the Bible (if we wish), and swear to uphold The Constitution, we do NOT swear to uphold The Bible …. and it is JUST AS LEGAL to place your hand on the Constitution, or the Quran, or whatever your religion believes in, to do the swearing. THAT is religious freedom. I would not swear on a Bible that I don't believe in, I'd insist on the Constitution …. the one that doesn't allow public displays of Christianity, a known to be violent religion. That law is what keeps U.S. from being a "Christian version" of Iran!
You spew pure fiction when trying to say I want a Christian Theocracy! It's sickening listening to liars and deceivers on the Left. This is why you are banned!
It is people like you who want a Secularocracy in our nation of religious freedom. You would censor any mention of our majority Christian heritage.
It's scary we have people like you who are so afraid of our freedoms of religious expression.
It's scary to ME that we have people who can't read AND understand what a person says, because they have a mindset that wont allow deviations from what they have been indoctrinated to think. Not ONE word of your statement about what I have said, or what I think, is what I have said OR think.
Take off your evangelical blinders and REALLY find religious freedom ……… which is something I have ALWAYS defended! That does NOT include religious indoctrination, just the "free" thoughts of religious expression among those who are interested in those thoughts. Those who are NOT should have the "freedom" to have THEIR thoughts about, or without religion. We CAN NOT have religious freedom if we must live under the rules of someone's "god" that OTHERS don't believe in! Your "Christian heritage" is just THAT …. YOUR'S, NOT something everyone in OUR nation has to live under. THAT would NOT be "religious freedom". THAT would be a theocracy. Yes, I am for secularism …. with religious freedom for those who WANT a religion and also for those who do NOT want, or can't believe, in one. I wouldn't "censor" YOUR Christian heritage, but, YOU WOULD, and DO, try to censor MY atheism! THAT, in a free country, IS SCARY!
Everyone in Iran and other "strictly Islamic" countries HAVE to "respect" one religion. I would rather "respect" someone's freedom to believe as they wish without religious propaganda from ANY religion pressuring them from all angles. YOU are the "bigot" because YOU are against anything BUT "Christianity".
I am not offended by YOUR Christian heritage, I am offended that you try to make it AMERICA'S heritage. It is NOT. ;-)
"FromWhatever mentions "our" like it means HIS United States and everyone in it is, or should be, "Christian". That is un-Constitutional to the max! Freedom of religion does NOT mean freedom to worship only the Christian way!
I'd insist on the Constitution …. the one that doesn't allow public displays of Christianity, a known to be violent religion."
You accused me of wanting a Theocracy you mindless liar! Then you have the nerve of denying your bigoted remarks!
You called our Christian faith of love and forgiveness as being a violent religion!
You called our Christian faith of love and forgiveness as being a violent religion!
Shut up you lunatic. Were the Crusades about love and forgiveness? Was the Spanish Inquisition about love and forgiveness? Was burning young women at the stake for three centuries about love and forgiveness?
You called our Christian faith of love and forgiveness as being a violent religion!
The Christian faith who's members brutalized their slaves, colonized and invaded many lands, started many wars, and burned people at the stake? You mean THAT Christian faith?
You just created yet one more puppet account to spew your anti Christian hatred!
This is my first account mate. You're a loopy nutjob and Christianity is for idiots. You don't have any reason behind your beliefs, just mindless programming and a blatant need to satisfy subjective human needs such as the need for hope and moral guidance. Those things don't matter to objective reality and you can't base your beliefs on mindless faith in whatever makes you feel good. That is of course unless you're a retard who isn't strong enough to handle the truth or be a good person without the threat of hellfire.
Sorry to upset you, miss. But that's exactly what I felt about YOUR comments above. I tried to be "nicer" about it ;-) . I didn't call you a hogwash liar, I just pointed out the fallacy in your appraisal of my thoughts and feelings on religious freedom.
I guess this is what they mean by "a woman scorned"??? (I don't believe in "hell" either ;-) Still, there are MANY things that "Have no fury" like you. Very un-Christian-like. Shouldn't you "turn the other cheeky"????? …. Just a reminder ;-) ;-)
A secular government is necessary for a religious freedom. Every country that isn't secular, is a theocracy or a tyranny or a personality cult. The ONLY countries on this planet that protect individual rights, are secular countries.
I understand what you are trying to say, and agree in part, but a secular Government could also become a tyranny or dictatorship, denying religious freedom. The definition of secular refers to things not affiliated with religion.
There are Theocracies trying to force it's citizens to believe in one religion (such as many muslim nations), while there are secular Governments trying to keep people from following their faith.
America's Government has never been a Theocracy even though many of our laws are based on the tenets of Christianity. Our Constitution allows the freedom of every person to believe in God or not.
We used to have a Bible in every Hotel room, freedom to have a nativity scene on every public square, freedoms of communities to pick Christians school teachers, etc. etc., but guess what? We were never a Theocracy forcing a person to believe in anything.
The tenets of Christianity allowed our nation to become the most free, most loving, most forgiving nation on Earth. Our Christian heritage created this Government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
I have been warning people of the dangers of this Big Government Progressive movement whereby our religious freedoms of expression, guaranteed by the Constitution, are being trampled on.
We are becoming a Secular dictatorship whereby a community's freedom to display religious symbols on public land during holidays, etc., are being censored.
These Liberal extremists in the Democrat Party have an outright disdain for religion and doing their best to strip any mention of our Christian heritage from our schools and public lands.
I understand what you are trying to say, and agree in part, but a secular Government could also become a tyranny or dictatorship, denying religious freedom. The definition of secular refers to things not affiliated with religion.
There are Theocracies trying to force it's citizens to believe in one religion (such as many muslim nations), while there are secular Governments trying to keep people from following their faith.
America's Government has never been a Theocracy even though many of our laws are based on the tenets of Christianity. Our Constitution allows the freedom of every person to believe in God or not.
We used to have a Bible in every Hotel room, freedom to have a nativity scene on every public square, freedoms of communities to pick Christians school teachers, etc. etc., but guess what? We were never a Theocracy forcing a person to believe in anything.
I respect all this (although having a bible in every hotel room is a bit much. Not everybody wants one -- individual liberty and all that).
The tenets of Christianity allowed our nation to become the most free, most loving, most forgiving nation on Earth
This however comes across as wishful thinking more than a factual summary of America's status on the world stage. "Most free" is of course somewhat subjective, but most studies would rate America one of the least free of the developed countries of the world, in a variety of respects.
Our Christian heritage created this Government of the people, by the people, and for the people
The founding fathers were deists and secularists.
I have been warning people of the dangers of this Big Government Progressive movement whereby our religious freedoms of expression, guaranteed by the Constitution, are being trampled on.
We are becoming a Secular dictatorship whereby a community's freedom to display religious symbols on public land during holidays, etc., are being censored
I don't agree with censorship. To that end, I believe people are allowed to be offended at whatever they want to be offended at. And people are also allowed to challenge that offence and disagree with it.
These Liberal extremists in the Democrat Party have an outright disdain for religion and doing their best to strip any mention of our Christian heritage from our schools and public lands
Perhaps. And do you not likewise have an outright disdain for liberal values or for atheism or for people who believe things contrary to your interpretation of the bible? And here you are allowed to express that disdain. Geese and gander.
Hotels were never forced to have Bible's in the rooms. It was a reflection of our Christian heritage and Americans respected that fact.
This is what I am talking about when I speak to our Christian heritage.
Today's Progressive anti Christian mindset would boycott Hotels for having a Bible in the rooms. They are insecure Atheists who no longer respect our religious freedoms of expression.
A Quran, the Dhammappada, the Vedas, and a copy of "God is Not Great" in the room, too, then?
Nah, you wouldn't like that.
Bottom line is: America isn't a Christian nation. People obviously don't all want bibles in their rooms. Buy a fucking bible and take it with you.
Nobody has to respect your religion. It's not a law, or a duty of anybody to respect your religion. Your right to express your religion is enshrined in law, but nobody has to agree with what that religion says, or pay you special respects because you believe it. Nobody has to automatically revere or give way to your religion. Nobody has to tolerate your religion being shoved down their throats. Nobody has to sleep in a hotel with a bible in it, either.
People have the right to oppose various things in society. Be it religion, homosexuality, abortion, atheism, whatever.
People do what they choose and believe what they like. That includes all those "insecure Atheists" who boycott hotels with bibles. They can do what they want.
The Bible is God's word, those other books are not...............................................................................................................
I've read the bible. I was forced to read the bible in school; to attend religious assemblies etc. I've familiarized myself with a lot of it. And I disagree with almost every part of it.
I am not "anti-choice" about it. I support someone's right to read it. But I also support peoples' right to do that of their own choice: not when it is forced down their throats or enshrined as part of law.
I am sorry to hear that. I wish your experience was more positive. I started reading the Bible when I was 12, and got saved by Jesus when I was 15. For me, reading the Bible is a positive experience, and so is prayer. I am sorry you had bad times with my faith. That is not supposed to happen, but it does for some reason. My main point is this: Christian or otherwise, religious liberty is a right, and should be protected, BUT I do not support forced religion, except at privately funded institutions. Of course not public institutions! The furthest i will go on holy books and prayer in public schools, is said holy book as an elective, and a moment of silence for any silent activity that doesn't disrupt the school activities. I know some people in my people in my personal life who want the Lord's Prayer in public schools. I am not so sure of that. If the pendulam swings too far in either direction, towards the atheist, or towards just one religion, we as an American society run the risk of criminalizing the peaceful practice of a certain religion, or criminalizing atheism. I do not believe despite popular opinion that any religious idea should be criminalized, Christian, atheist, or otherwise. I hope that works for you. I am trying my hardest to be fair and balanced.
You are the same hypocrite as every other Liberal I speak with. You have no problem with these LGBT activists pushing their agendas into public schools, indoctrinating our children against the parents will. Forcing schools to allow boys, who think they are girls, into our daughter's sprots.
But when it comes to Christianity... CENSOR IT! KEEP IT AWAY FROM OUR KIDS! CLOSE YOUR EYES, BURY YOUR HEAD! Your kids might see a Bible! OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO TOLERANCE OR RESPECT FOR OTHER'S BELIEFS.
You Bigots can not respect the fact that hotels have the RIGHT AND FREEDOM to have a Bible in their rooms. They are not being forced to do so. They did so because they understood the vast majority of Americans are Christian and it was a nice thing to do for people who might want to read the Bible when in their rooms.
If we were a majority Islam or other religion, then the hotels might have other books. IT'S CALLED FREEDOM!
Then along came the Liberal thought police who hate religion. Big Brother censors!
YOU NO LONGER HAVE THE FREEDOM TO HAVE BIBLES IN YOUR HOTELS! WE ARE THE ARROGANT THOUGHT POLICE AND WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN HAVE!
We replaced the Bible in our hotels with gender neutral bathrooms, forced to do so by arrogant activist LGBT groups.
YOU MINDLESS HYPOCRITE! Only your freedoms to express your unnatural sexual fetishes will now be allowed in public places. We will have Transgenders talking to your kindergartners, Drag queens talking to your kids, and we could not care less if it bothers you.
YOU MINDLESS BIGOTED HYPOCRITE!
Christians are now the only groups of people who are allowed to be offended. What's so sick about people like you is your total stupidity not to get it!
If you are going to censor the things you don't like in public, then you must censor the things that offends everyone! DO YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A POLICE STATE?
Christians want the freedom to express our faith just as you hypocrites want the freedom to express your beliefs on unnatural fetishes in public. You can't have it just your way!
We are not forcing anything on anyone! Every hotel had the freedom not to have a Bible! GET IT?
I am fine with keeping religious expression out of public schools as long as you hypocrites keep your Progressive LGBT hysteria out of the public as well!
I've told you several times, I don't agree with boys competing in girl sports. I don't agree with males in female bathrooms, and I don't agree with forcing anybody into a particular religion either. I don't agree with blanket abortion for everyone in every case. I don't agree with Qurans in the hotel rooms (I said that just to make a point).
Stop attributing things to me that aren't things I believe. It makes you look stupid.
I never see you speak out against all this LGBT activism forcing their agendas into our schools and public places.
We know you by what you don't say, not just by what you do say. When you allow our children to be indoctrinated without one peep, unless of course it has to do with religion, then you are on their side.
I never see you speak out against all this LGBT activism forcing their agendas into our schools and public places.
Hello again, From:
In this great country of ours, we have this thing called FREE SPEECH.. If you don't like the LGBT community speaking to our children, right after they appear, send in the "Pray The Gay Away" people..
Bwa, ha ha ha ha ha... Am I laughing at the utter STUPIDITY of praying away the gay??? I AM!!!
Call us Homophobes for not embracing unnatural sex.
There is nothing unnatural about homosexuals or homosexual sex. Homosexuals are produced by nature and sex happens as part of nature. When you say "unnatural" what you actually mean is "I'm a dogmatic bigot telling lies on behalf of a third century belief system."
To the deceptive person I ban, you are doing it again!
I have always supported freedom for any community to decide for themselves if they display religious symbols celebrating holidays etc. etc.
In the very few communities with a majority Muslim electorate, they could vote to display Muslim symbols, as Jewish communities have done.
I'm not a bigot, and support freedom of the people to decide. I teach my children to never cover their ears and eyes when seeing Jewish symbols in public. We don't bury our heads or censor things as Liberals constantly do towards religion.
Maybe you missed it your entire life, and never grasped the facts that we are a majority Christian nation with our laws and holidays and symbols representing those facts.
If the Democrat Party had it's wish, they would see a majority Muslim America as we have seen in Socialist Europe.
The Left is made up of bigoted elites who will censor anything they don't like. They do what you do and use scare tactics to try and censor freedom of religious expression.
They will say things like.... what if Satan worshipers want to display signs of witchcraft.
If our nation ever becomes majority Muslim or Satan Worshipers, worrying about religious symbols will be the least of our concerns.
I am not offennnnnnnnnnnded by displays from any religion, Christian, or otherwise. If I don't like something, I just won't participate. I was thinking of interfaith dialogue, and how it relates to my Christian faith. If I want to preach Jesus to other people, I should give them the chance to say what they believe. I want to be clear: I believe Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved, BUT my Lord commands me, to love my neighbor, as I love myself, and do unto others, as I would have them do unto me. I do not agree with other religions, but I love and tolerate them, just as Jesus would, and does. I also feel all religious adherents willing to not be forceful, should be allowed to express their ideas. Why can't religious adherents just agree to disagree. "As much as possible, be at peace with all men (people", according to the Christian Bible. I want to apologize for not properly espousing this ideal. I have chronic back, and neck pain, which I am starting to treat with special excercizes, and I just got out of the hospital, where I had no choice, but to quit smoking.
I believe Jesus is the ONLY way to be saved, BUT my Lord commands me, to love my neighbor, as I love myself, and do unto others, as I would have them do unto me.
But you don't obey those commands. Quite the opposite, in fact. You frequently attack me, curse at me, and you ban me from almost all of your debates simply because I disagree with the rubbish you write.
What do you have to say about Jesus?........................................................................................................................................
You are an SJW who acts like your rights are being stripped away when someone uses their freedom of speech to criticize the things you say using your freedom of speech because you can't tell the difference between criticism of your stupidity and someone telling you that you don't have the right to be stupid. It's not that I don't think you have that right, I just think it's better to be intelligent.
Pot meet kettle. You are a self admitted troll..................................................................................................................................
I'm not offended at all by displays of Christianity so long as they are in the right and proper place and so long as other religions are allowed to showcase their heritage as well. If a church wants to have a Nativity scene that's fabulous, if a household wants to have one that's fabulous, I actually enjoy seeing them. But if city hall has one then they need to provide the opportunity for other religions to exhibit as well. So long as that opportunity is extended, I see no reason for offense from anyone.
Religion is ok for those who believe, it is only an essence of doctrine inspired of one man who discovered his own spiritual path.
It is not a trade-market for God's sake, so remove your posts and outreach packages from the sophisticated public :-), unless your organisation needs more members to increase tithe/offerings that generates excessive income for your hidden/gorging lifestyles :-)
