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Debate Score:35
Arguments:26
Total Votes:46
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"Atheism is intellectual suicide." -John MacArthur

I agree.

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I disagree.

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I'd say agnosticism is a more honest position, to simply say "I don't know but am open to different opinions and theories" is more intellectual. Atheism is where you become so dogmatic in unbelief that your brain drops out.

I say this because I've seen atheists be offered proof and actually refuse to look at it or become angry at it. What for if you are honestly looking for an intellectual answer?

Side: I agree.
Factology(415) Disputed
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to simply say "I don't know but am open to different opinions and theories" is more intellectual.

I agree, so why do you continue to assert that God exists with no evidence other than whackadoodle end time theories and the fallacious abuse of causality paradoxes?

Atheism is where you become so dogmatic in unbelief that your brain drops out.

When you believe in God just as dogmatically it makes you sound like a worthog wrestling gay cowboy when you say that. Also christianity has actual dogma, atheism is not a structured religion it's just a lack of theistic belief.

What for if you are honestly looking for an intellectual answer?

people who are honestly looking for an intellectual answer don't base their beliefs around what makes them feel good. The second you use "hope and peace of mind" to support your view is the moment you admit you are not looking for answers but simply believing what you wish to be true.

Side: I disagree.
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Prove him wrong...................................................................

Side: I agree.

Agreed. Most agnostics are open minded to spiritual things.............................................................................................

Side: I agree.
whyamihere(22) Disputed
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The 'proof' I've been given makes no sense or can easily be proven by science. I am open to different beliefs, but no one has convinced me that god is real.

Side: I disagree.

I’m a Pagan. It’s better to be atheist than to follow the Abrahamic book. Abrahamic/Semitic religions have no plan for earth.

The Semitic faith is an ENEMY of EARTH

Side: I agree.
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Who the fuck is this John MacArthur faggot? Am I supposed to respect his opinion as an "intellectual" just because he claims that not believing in fairy tails is intellectual suicide?

Side: I disagree.
Gibby_Prime(43) Disputed
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Who the fuck is this John MacArthur faggot?

He's a famous pastor, also a doctor in theology. But he's not gay.

Am I supposed to respect his opinion as an "intellectual" just because he claims that not believing in fairy tails is intellectual suicide?

No, you don't have to. You either listen to him and what he has to say, or you don't.

Side: I agree.
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John MacArthur is one of my favorite pastor..............................................

Side: I agree.
Factology(415) Disputed
2 points

one of my favorite pastor

I see, so in other words he is brainless idiot.

Side: I disagree.
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I'm a very unusual Pagan believer in a construct where the uppermost power is basically what people call 'fate' (but actually is a very complex RNG that functions because it would be too much bad luck for a randomly generated series of things to have everything equal to 0 which is why everything is not 'nothing').

Anyways, I am an intellectual Theist but I have known very intellectual atheists in my time both as a fanboy and even in person. I'd go as far as to say that out of the atheists I met a large proportion were at least medium-IQ whilst out of the Theists I met, the intelligent ones were much less relative to the 'struggling' IQ I'd say. You then get in-betweeners who are kind of agnostic but kind of 'believe' or kind of 'semi-doubt but don't like to say they're atheists' and they tend to make up the medium IQ that is lacking in the Theists.

I am not kidding about my religion though. I worship the randomness of reality and believe anyone who values order over chaos is fundamentally doomed to 'psychological hell' both internally and in the world they interact with. Chaotic people, while possessing the classic mentality of a Hobo, are also among the world's finest geniuses. If you ever think of or meet a highly intelligent individual who you would say lacks traits of OCD it is the chaotic thinking that makes them a genius. If you meet one with OCD traits, it is their habits that lead their brain into 'genius-like' thought but you'll find their rigidity of thought makes them struggle immensely in life. A genius is either the chaos-brand or the order-brand and the former are much happier while the latter are the stereotypical 'tortured genius'.

Side: I disagree.
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I don't believe it is intellectual suicide, I do agree with most of what Bronto said, Agnosticism is actually a better position in many instances. When one is extreme in either Atheism or Religion, they close their mind to possibilities that contradict their side.

Side: I disagree.
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This depends on how you define Atheism. Gnostic atheism (the position of 100rtainty that there are no gods) may be an intellectual error, as a true gnostic atheist has invested as much faith as a theist has.

On the other hand, the position that most educated atheists seem to take, the position that "I am not convinced that god exists". By definition, this is atheism, or if you want to be more specific: agnostic atheism. This is not an intellectual error, this is saying that there is insufficient reason/evidence to invest belief in a god(s).

"Atheism" is not intellectual suicide, taking something "on faith" is intellectual suicide.

Side: I disagree.
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Atheist's intellectual mediocrity can be observed in their inability to comprehend such stories as Adam and Eve and Noah, to cite just two instances.

Side: I disagree.
2 points

Atheist's intellectual mediocrity can be observed in their inability to comprehend such stories as Adam and Eve and Noah

Lol. You insane twit. What exactly do you know about the ability of atheists to comprehend anything? You silly bloody nincompoop.

Adam and Eve is still believed to be a true story by many Christians even today, over a century and a half after The Origin of the Species. In fact, the theory of evolution was harangued, harassed and heckled by Christians to the point that it very nearly did not see the light of day.

These days, idiotic twits that you are, you seem to believe shrugging your shoulders and mentioning words like "allegory" cures the centuries of madness humanity suffered at your hands. Even worse, you seem to believe it discredits the "intellect" of atheists.

Fool.

Side: I agree.
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Lol. You insane twit. What exactly do you know about the ability of atheists to comprehend anything? You silly bloody nincompoop.

Because we've observed you for years.

Side: I disagree.