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God exists; religion God does not exist; atheism
Debate Score:76
Arguments:92
Total Votes:88
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Atheism vs Religion

Bring your best arguments for/against atheism. This is a debate on whether God is real or not.

God exists; religion

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God does not exist; atheism

Side Score: 35
2 points

God exists, just read the Bible which explains everything in detail.

God made heaven and earth in 6 days and then went for ''big ZZzzzs'' on the seventh, the Sabbath.

He created Adam and placed him in the Garden of Eden.

He then stole one of his ribs from which he made Eve.

Eve listened to a talking snake who told her to eat the fruit from the forbidden tree.

After eating the forbidden fruit she became ashamed of her tits and vagina.

Randy Adam jumped on Eve and made hot sweaty passionate love among the daisies and put her in the pudding club, beating large drum, knocked her up and all that jazz.

Nine months later along came Cain and then Abel.

After this murder and mayhem followed with 100s of 1000s of people all having it off in the bushes and populating the earth with millions of sinners and atheists.

This pretty well brings us up to the present moment.

Side: God exists; religion
kylej97(2) Disputed
1 point

I believe in God, but your argument for it is very very weak. I think you've been sucked into the church's view on the Bible which is that the Bible is completely flawless and historically accurate. You won't ever convert an atheist with this argument and it shouldn't.

Science tells us a whole ton about what the universe is and how it acts. A lot of what science tells us actually contradicts the Bible. The Bible is not perfect, and that's a really good thing, believe me. God did NOT write the Bible. People did. And people that lived thousands of years ago didn't understand the universe the same way we do today. People back then used to think that the small points of light in the night sky was heaven breaking through into our reality. Obviously, this is way wrong. They're just stars in the sky. duh. But they got it wrong!

The important thing though is that God can still exist. Science and faith don't have to work against each other. Instead of telling other people that God exists because the Bible tells us he does and the universe was made in 6 days, try proving Jesus to others.

We have an astounding amount of evidence for the existence of Jesus and that he actually was born of a virgin, performed miracles, was crucified, and rose from the dead. I can't share all that proof with you because I would need to write a 50 page essay to get all the info in there. Look up a man named Jim Warner Wallace and watch his videos. He was a cold-case detective that converted to Christianity because he researched the gospels as a skeptic and found everything about Jesus to be true.

All I ask is that you, and whoever else is reading this, take some time and do your research. Don't just sit there and doubt everything in your mind. Get out there and do some real research!!!

Side: God exists; religion
Argolas(24) Disputed
1 point

Hi Kyle,

This guy, Jim Warner Wallace, has tons of videos, I have watched some but couldn't find anything with hard proof about Jesus. Can you advise a specific video?

Side: God does not exist; atheism
Ravenspirit(7) Disputed
-1 points

Well the Bible was written by humans and was, in my opinion, anyway, created by humans, and as such, is a figment of our imagination. We have no proof that God exists, or that he doesn't exist; on the contrary, we have proof of evolution, The Big Bang; we may not have a large amount of proof, but we have more proff than you ever will about God existing. In my opinion, most people use religion as a crutch to blame their failures and downs in life on. But let me ask you this; if everything is God's will, why would he give a four-year-old cancer? This child definitely doesn't deserve it, and in no way needs to pay for his or her sins. I think religion is a great thing; it can be very useful to a great many people, but the paths we have taken religion down are unjust and, in some cases, an atrocity. I don't believe God exists, but I don't hate anyone that does.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
Antrim(1300) Clarified
2 points

I'm sure if you read, and interpret my post as I intended it to be you will recognize the irony and sarcasm of its tone.

The Bible was as you say written by men, well meaning men who were the scholars of their day and tried desperately to explain the overwhelming mysteries of the visible universe and our place in it with very limited scientific knowledge.

Now that we are enlightened by the flow of scientific discoveries it is easy for smart Alecs ( like me) to scoff at what now seems like their over simplistic, child like explanations for the cosmos and the reason for our existence.

The problem lies in the fact that there are still 100s of millions of ''SHEEPEOPLE'' who still believe in the various man made religions of world and try to impose the teachings of their barbaric scriptures on to the simple minded followers.

Side: God exists; religion
2 points

The universe is too orderly for God not to exist. Too many rules and how we became so well developed is no mere coincidence. God Exists

Side: God exists; religion
Dermot(5462) Disputed
1 point

That's just an assumption on your part , and who's saying it's coincidence?

Prove it

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

Prove it's not. See how that works? That's my dermotism for the day. When you have no answers just spew out a random "prove it" while not proving your own claim.

Side: God exists; religion
Argolas(24) Disputed
1 point

My believe and answer on that matter is, it is amazing what at least 13.8 billion years can do in terms of creation and evolution of the universe.

First the pure chaos and after billions of years, very slowly, a semi organized chaos, just thinking about how our cosmic neighborhood was at the time when our planet was born, it was a lot more hectic than nowadays since gravity has done its job for so long. It then organizes itself.

Same with the evolution of life on our planet. I believe chaos progressively org anise itself and I believe biology adapts itself extremely well to its environment as well as to the changes in its environment. Biology adapts the needs of the creature to his actual environment and with million of years the genes pass from one another to develop these needs.

life on earth is merely a fart in the time line of the history of the universe as we know it. It cannot be that much of an important event in the history of the universe

And us, human beings are merely the attempt of a fart in the time line of life on earth... but if you bring down life to our time line scale... it has so many million years to evolve and develop in amazing diversity and complexity!!

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

How about say this is the simplest of words...or rather a ques...Who do u think created you?

Now maybe you might wanna give your answers with a bunch of theories..like you evolved frpm the fossils(i read that somewhere)....which i should tell you will be the real nonsense...coz u gotta realize there is again...a creator above all...

I might be vague here..but i hope you get my point

Side: God exists; religion
Somebody(46) Disputed
1 point

We simply don't know.

And we will never know.

Assuming there will be a creator: Who created that creator? Then who created the creator of the creator? And so on... Even if you say that there must be an uncaused cause, then can nature be the uncaused cause by itself? Or, if the universe is a loop, then who put that loop in motion in the first place?

It seems like the argument is an endless rabbit hole.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
Ravenspirit(7) Disputed
1 point

It's not about who I think created me; the work is what. We have more proof of evolution and the Big Bang, but, as Somebody says, we simply don't know.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
Argolas(24) Disputed
1 point

That's not even an argument...On what basis can you claim that there is a creator above all? Maybe you owe to develop a bit...

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

Only a Fool say God does not exist.... Even Science say God Exist... Look at Space every thing is so in Order.... Everything is So structure....even on this planet.... See False prophet's lie so much that people ask Questions which is the Truth.... Just Because A Preacher or a teacher with a Suit on Say Something so stupid Does Not mean God Is a liar.... Let man Be a Liar and God be truth.... Just Because Everyone say they believe in God....Doesn't Mean Anything.... Just Because Someone say they Dont Believe in God... Doesn't mean anything.... At the End of rhe Day a Lie Is A Lie and the Truth is the Truth....

Side: God exists; religion
Quantumhead(733) Disputed
1 point

Even Science say God Exist

Religious people say this all the time and they are always wrong.

Look at Space every thing is so in Order

Which parts exactly? Can you give an example?

Everything is So structure

If so, then why did God waste trillions upon trillions of miles of empty space when he could have just put the galaxies closer together?

Side: God does not exist; atheism
JOMIRO(29) Disputed
1 point

Only a Fool say God does not exist What nonsense is this and who are you to decide who is a fool?

Even Science say God Exist Science, to my knowledge, has never claimed that any god exists.

Everything is So structure What structure are you looking at? There is no obvious structure to any of it as far as I can see.

Just because you've given an answer, it doesn't mean a thing. Especially when it is pure unadulterated nonsense of the highest order.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
2 points

Atheism is a religion in which the non-believer makes his or her own mind to be their own god.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
excon(12671) Disputed
1 point

Hey Christian:

What's crazy arrogant of you, is that you have the temerity to suggest that you know more about me than I do..

And, THAT my friend, is a BIG, HUGE, HUMONGOUS reason WHY I'm NOT like you..

excon

Side: God exists; religion
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

when you stop being such a jack ass, which I doubt you ever will, maybe I will read your responses. I'm not even going to read you if you comment in my debate, I'll just ban you and ignore you.

You think you have the right to exist outside of Hell and are exonerated in death, I think you better smoke another joint trying to obscure reality. Maybe something will happen to get you to see you need to be saved from Hell. Go smoke a fat joint, pothead, I'm not interested in your response.

Side: God exists; religion
outlaw60(14819) Clarified
1 point

DUMMY i thought you were a Jew ! Are you lying or just confused ?

Side: God exists; religion
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

You have claimed to be God on this website. Are you going to admit you are an atheist?

Side: God exists; religion
NowASaint(1388) Clarified
1 point

Take responsibility for your own choice .

Side: God exists; religion
outlaw60(14819) Clarified
0 points

SouthPark the only ones to have claimed as a god are the Leftist and his name was Obama

Side: God exists; religion
2 points

Hello R:

Atheism is a very personal thing.. It really has NOTHING to do with what you believe and EVERYTHING to do with what I believe.. I don't believe in god. But, I'm not gonna tell you you're wrong if you do.

excon

Side: God does not exist; atheism
outlaw60(14819) Clarified
0 points

STUPID speaks are you a Jew or an Atheistic DUMMY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: God exists; religion
1 point

What most believers fail to realise is that the majority of atheists were once believers like them and the reason most believers believe is because of how powerful the whole indoctrination process is .

Religion for its followers relies mainly on indoctrinating children from infancy to adulthood until the message is firmly hammered home .

If people were not introduced to the idea of religion till reaching maturity and given a copy of the bible or some other sacred book and asked to read it and evaluate its content most would dismiss it as complete and utter nonsense .

Believers mostly believe as their parents believe and seldom realise that they are victims of mass brainwashing and never had any other choice as their particular religion was forced upon them .

Atheism is the rational choice and most atheists choose it after making an assessment of of the evidence for both sides

Side: God does not exist; atheism
jeffreyone(1349) Clarified
2 points

"What most believers fail to realise is that the majority of atheists were once believers like them and the reason most believers believe is because of how powerful the whole indoctrination process is "

Because you had a bible and went to church means you're a believer?

Don't you hear suicide bombers or armed robbers doing that?

The devil goes to church.

You were even once a budhist you said.....

It only shows you be in religions for fashion.

You had no business with God.

If people were not introduced to the idea of religion till reaching maturity and given a copy of the bible or some other sacred book and asked to read it and evaluate its content most would dismiss it as complete and utter nonsense .

There are so many testimonies of people from India or Asia who had never seen the bible before but abondoned their idols to follow christ.~(EVEN Nagpal says he came to know about christianity just a year ago)

Even muslims…… terrorists(one my pastor met in a plane, coverted about 4yrs ago, imagine how many people would have died, and how do you convince a terrorist especially with something he's been taught to hate)

So you lie.

Believers mostly believe as their parents believe and seldom realise that they are victims of mass brainwashing and never had any other choice as their particular religion was forced upon them .

you were brainwashing your grand children with an unproven theory.

how different is it.

Still different.

My Religion instills(not force) high level of morality into children and reduces social vices

while your theory tells children indirectly that nothing bounds them, from ape to man, zero conviction, everything there is physical, dispose off and nothing, with this, what has one got lose if he commits a crime?

After all he is going to do die anyway oneday , what is the difference from now and the future.

Atheism is the rational choice and most atheists choose it after making an assessment of of the evidence for both sides

You know nothing about following christ.....christianity. You think it's about reading the bible? Lol. Thousands of people read the bible but are not believers like a muslim friend of mine who likes comparing both books.

You think it's about going to church?

lol. whenever my church organises a sports program, the muslims come and play, they come to church for their trophies?and even stay around for about two weeks more.

A drunkard can just enter a church,

Unrepented criminals...etc.

The question is why do you go to church. And how does one seek God? he said dilligently, how did you ?

You do some mediocre of God worshipping and yourself a christian.

Not everyone after being tested qualifies to enter the army.

You're not an atheist, you're just not fit.

Side: God exists; religion
Dermot(5462) Clarified
1 point

Again like the prize cabbage you truly are you spew a pile of nonsense that makes little sense except to you ; when you decide to ask rational questions instead of firing accusations I may deem to educate you ... again .

Side: God exists; religion
Ravenspirit(7) Disputed
1 point

If we aren't fit, it is our choice to be unfit. In my opinion, no one is unfit; many people have commited crimes because of their religion (ISIS) and we as atheists simply choose not to believe. If we are unfit, then we are unfit of our own right, not by anyone else's standards

Side: God exists; religion
1 point

Hi Jeffreyone,

With all due respect, I find you quite judgmental towards what Dermot said.

Nowhere he claimed that reading the bible or going to church means that you are a believer.

He just stated that once he was (as well as others) but who are you to claim that he wasn't?

Maybe he was not as much of a believer as you are, but maybe he was looking for answers... aren't we all? If we had all the answers we would not be here debating.

And Buddhism is as respectable as any other believe no?

I believe, like you, that some people with a certain faith can convert to another but what Dermot meant was that building faith based on the bible is not an easy task. Mostly if you do have the faith. It is full of nonsense and contradictions (mostly the old testament). on the other hand building a faith not based on the bible is something I can imagine. I do not have faith, neither all answers but I know many believers who do not belong to any religion.

Religion, mostly for the hard-core religious does not exactly prone freedom of thinking, and that applies for all religions, but rather for brain washing indeed. Maybe Dermot was a bit harsh in the way he put it, I'll give you that. Not every believer is a hard-core religious after all.

You also say that he doesn't know anything about following the Christ while he claims he was a believer once. Do not assume.

Why don't you explain us in your own terms what you think is to be a Christ follower or let's say, what makes someone a Christ follower?

I think that would make the debate interesting since we are here for that.

Side: God exists; religion
Argolas(24) Clarified
1 point

Just to Clarify what Dermot says with "Believers mostly believe as their parents believe and seldom realize that they are victims of mass brainwashing and never had any other choice as their particular religion was forced upon them"

It is certainly not the case with hard-core believers but it is the case with believers who vaguely believe in God without actually to the church and practicing their religion.

And it is true that many believers fall in this category.

However, hard-core believers have a real and genuine faith, studied their religion and practice is regularly.

For my personal input, I make a real difference between hard-core believers and the ones who just believe there is a God out there.

And it the same about atheists.

There is a difference between an atheist and a non believer.

At least in my personal opinion.

Someone who claims to be an atheist should be able to justify why, should have studied or at least researched and explore the question of religion, and should build his or her opinion based on his study.

That makes the difference with a none believer who is simply not interested in religion.

Side: God exists; religion
Dermot(5462) Clarified
1 point

Hi Argolas, I think the vast majority of believers are introduced to the concept of a god from infancy the belief is reinforced throughout childhood and families , friends and their schools all play a part in the process of ' gentle 'indoctrination

Most atheists I know myself included were once believers , in my case devout, and have examined done extensive research and study before reaching their present state of atheism often with rejection and societal finger wagging for daring to take their own path

Side: God exists; religion
1 point

Now pull out your thinking cap and explain to us those raised in atheist households who convert through intellect and knowledge. It's a rhetorical question by default because you have no clue. You just spew nonsense without citations, links, or anything else.

Side: God exists; religion
Dermot(5462) Disputed
1 point

It's so easy kicking you around .........

Now pull out your thinking cap and explain to us those raised in Christian households who come to Atheism through intellect and knowledge. It's a rhetorical question by default because you have no clue .

You just spew nonesense without citations , links , or anything else .

Logic is an alien concept to you 🤔 beaten by your own stupidity .... again

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

Most of this post is spot on, but I would argue that atheism isn't a choice at all. I could no more choose to believe in any god any more than I could choose to believe in the tooth fairy...it seems rather like any other outrageous tale. It astounds me that mature adults can take it seriously.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

It would be good for any theist to define a God positively and properly. There is not really a case to answer if Theism is so poorly defined.

The god concept is so vague and malleable that as soon as you engage a theist in debate, they engage in special pleading to rescue their god and play hide a seek by equivocating with words like cause, universe, beginnings, morality, nature or whatever argument is invoked.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

I absolutely agree with you Surgeon. Mostly since most atheists, when they debate, base themselves on the God described and defined in the bible (old testament). This is normally the reference. Now, no problem to debate on the believe in another God as long as he is properly defined in specific terms.

Terms of the definition should include if God is:

- Omniscient

- Omnipotent

- Master and creator of all things

With at least these 3 elements, debating the existence of God or not can take place with healthy grounds.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

I support atheism over Theism.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

On the basis of the evidence, unicorns are just as likely to exist. Do you believe in them?

Side: God does not exist; atheism
jeffreyone(1349) Clarified
2 points

You put your intelligence in jeopardy when you say certain things.

Can jesus be proven by history?

Can his miracles be proven by history?

Are unicorns historical figures?

Can their magical myths be proven by history?

Can evolution be proven by history?

As a greek myth, can it's authenticity and accuracy be verifiable?

These three. Which is more logical?

Side: God exists; religion
Argolas(24) Disputed
1 point

Jace is right!

There is no more evidence for Jesus, God nor for a unicorn.

Jesus cannot be proven by history, neither miracles, neither unicorns.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

God does not exist. There is no consistent proof of his existence and of course can't me disproved (since you can't disprove a negative). By god of course I mean, any religious god or any sort of controlling intelligence. Besides many people thinking of god a different way, they are all equally wrong by assuming it's existence. People who believe in god base this belief on their faith. Faith is the very definition of believing something without evidence, something to be ashamed of. If your argument for god's existence is that there are things you can't explain/don't understand or that the bible says so, please read a logic or science text book. Something is not to be believed because it can't be disproved, because of fear, because somebody told you or because you would like it to be true.

Side: God does not exist; atheism
1 point

Atheism is refusing to drink the Koolaid. It's saying yes they've read, they've heard, they've gotten the lecture, they've been threatened with hell, and after all of that they simply don't find what you're selling to be convincing enough to get them to drink the Koolaid.

Probably the bigger question is why are you so desperate for them to drink some of your Koolaid?

Side: God does not exist; atheism