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Atheism is the better view Theism is better
Debate Score:66
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Atheism vs Theism: Which view is better in this day and age?

In today's world, is it better to be an Athesit or a Theist?

Atheism is the better view

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Theism is better

Side Score: 22
3 points

Neither is better just different, we each should march to the beat of our own drum so each according to their own.

Side: Atheism is the better view
Foxglove(205) Disputed
1 point

This increasingly adopted philosophy is what is underpinning the endemic self-centredness in and collapse of society.

Side: Theism is better
DKCairns(868) Clarified
1 point

Do you mean the terminal end of democracy...............?

Side: Atheism is the better view
2 points

The newest religion (excluding Scientology) originated over 2000 years ago, you still see people try to cling to bronze-age ideals thanks to it. Without religion we would be living in a truly modern society right now, without all the prejudice caused by it (not saying all prejudice comes from religion but most does.) The only way to live in "this day and age" is to think as if we actually are and not act as if the kind of fictional literature you see in the holy books is still relevant.

Side: Atheism is the better view
GenericName(3430) Clarified
2 points

Just to clarify: Islam started about 1400 years ago, not over 2000, and Sikhism started about 500 years ago.

Additionally, far from most prejudice comes from religion: We have been prejudiced against each other for every single characteristic we can use to separate ourselves.

Side: Atheism is the better view
2 points

My mistake. To address you saying how religions are prejudiced against each other, that alone was one of the main reasons that I started to leave religion. Think about how many wars have been caused because of religions and their misguided ideals, because of religions people have died, killed, tortured, abused, and assaulted over nothing.

Side: Atheism is the better view
SebastianM(12) Clarified
0 points

Without religion we would be living in a truly modern society right now, without all the prejudice caused by it (not saying all prejudice comes from religion but most does.)The only way to live in "this day and age" is to think as if we actually are and not act as if the kind of fictional literature you see in the holy books is still relevant.

If the society and the world of today had not copied the 10 commandments from the Bible, for example do not murder, do not steal , the world would be in chaos. The world of today with its laws are based from the book that your called fictional literature

Side: Atheism is the better view
GenericName(3430) Clarified
2 points

The Bible and the 10 Commandments did not create those rules, they got them from previous codes of law such as Hammurabi's Code.

We had law before the Bible, so why are you insinuating the Bible is the only source of law?

Side: Atheism is the better view
Nosferatu(15) Clarified
1 point

That doesn't explain how great civilizations that existed long before the bible were able to function as effective societies displaying culture and innovation and weren't at all chaotic. What about Amazonian tribes that have no concept of the bible that care for and feed their communities with no christian god in evidence whatsoever? They live a caring and even sustainable lifestyle.

We still have murder and theft and a US prison population of whom the vast majority profess to be christians.

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

Wrong question. Neither are right. Atheism denies existence of superpower (not proven by any scientific achievements). Theists easy show the fallacy of religious beliefs, they do not follow.

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

Being an atheist, I support it.

But I refuse to believe that one is superior and the other is inferior. We're all equal. There is already a lot of discrimination between theists. Theists and atheists can't afford to try and prove who is superior.

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

I believe that atheism is better because it does not discriminate and has fewer fallacies because of the fact that it makes no claims.

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

I like how people say "Oh that was the Old Testament." You cannot pick and choose which things to believe from the OT its all or nothing. Believing in only part of the OT means that you use rationality outside of religion to make informed decisions

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

Pascals wager is a futile argument as the best thing to do is to choose th religion with the most gods or deities.

Side: Atheism is the better view

Neither is better, religion just has no place in government period

Side: Atheism is the better view
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
1 point

You do know Atheism isn't a religion.

Side: Atheism is the better view
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

There's no need to lie to his face. That's really disrespectful.

Suggesting that he knows something he obviously doesn't, how misleading.

Side: Theism is better
2 points

The day and age have nothing to do with anything. This is one of the actual reasons why theism is so important. So that axioms don't change with the whims of some particular culture or another. Right is always right. Wrong is always wrong. Times and cultures don't change this. What IS IS.

Side: Theism is better
0 points

So I presume you support slavery then, since that is what is detailed through theism? As GenericName said, why aren't you troubled by the change in Christianity, and in fact the change in society over time? Would you rather society and societal values were identical to those of 2000 years ago? I shutter to think of how you think women should be treated xD

Side: Atheism is the better view
stevetc(65) Clarified
0 points

The Church never favored slavery. Seriously. You can go and look at all of the dogmas of the Church. You won't find it as a dogma of the Church. You won't find any encyclicals defending the practice. As time goes on, we discover through the Church that something is IMMORAL,(slavery for example), but I can't think of a single instance where the Church or her councils declared something immoral to now be a moral good. When immorality is discovered, it can be corrected to the moral view, and put in line with the teachings of Christ and His Apostles. Only anti-theists take the power upon themselves to declare immorality as a moral good.

You needn't shudder to think how I think women should be treated. My wife and I, (who are both Christians), have utmost respect for each other, and the sanctity of marriage and the family, and have been happily married for 35 years and running. Jesus and His Apostles preached nothing but love and respect for women to men and men to women. If you're referring to the OT, keep in mind that not all theists are orthodox Jews, or Islamic men. A good chunk of theists are of the Christian variety which brings in God among us. The incarnation....Jesus Christ, which clarified much in the theistic world. Some don't accept Him. But those who do, and think that even may be the majority, but I won't say that as a fact, as I haven't looked it up. Anyway, only theism allows for one to have the freedom to do what is right, and the sense to not change what it wrong, into what is right. May God bless

Side: Atheism is the better view
GenericName(3430) Clarified
-1 points

Don't you find that claim questionable considering Christianity (and all other religions) have indeed changed drastically over the course of their existence? The mere existence of events such as the Council of Nicea, where very fallible humans came together to decide what was or was not Christian doctrine and dogma, seems to indicate (to me at least) that religion is not some immoveable institution that resists the changes of time.

Side: Atheism is the better view
stevetc(65) Clarified
2 points

I guess I made my comment a bit on the black and white side. This question is a black and white question pitting theism against atheism. To answer your follow up, Jesus Christ did leave a Church. The Church keeps an eye on the times. This is true. It's part of the mission. What dogmas are, (or at least de fide dogmas), are validations of Christian principles which existed since Christ, but needed codification due to challenges as time went on. But only the Vicar of Christ himself. The spiritual descendant of St. Peter, can declare dogma. What changes in the Church is not right and wrong. It's generally practices and approaches. This is something entirely different. You will not ever hear the Church declare sexual immorality, for instance to now be a moral good. You won't have the Church declare that murdering innocent children, (or anyone for that matter) is a moral good. Yet non-theistic....that is secular society....feels the they have the power to re-define what is morally good. This is rock that is the foundation of the Church. The preservation and protection of ethics and morality. There is one more element to this which you'll find in my clarification to the person below you on this thread. God bless, Steve

Side: Atheism is the better view
1 point

Which one is better is a personality type decision. Between personality types: the atheist is the type of person who wants to fit everything inside his/her head while the theist likes to speculate about the mysterious questions while openly admitting faith. Atheists tend to give a little too much over to science while standard monotheists like to fight science. Both are tasteless. There probably exists a god but you're not going to discover him through a microscope, nor by contemplating how small the earth is. Best methods for realizing god are given by the mystics of various faiths.

Side: Theism is better

I think atheists and theists can learn from each other. I think an atheist only wants to be an atheist because Science explains so many things.

Side: Theism is better
0 points

What about religions that are not theistic? What about antitheism which is based on the belief in the benefits of atheism?

Side: Theism is better
Person66622(1) Disputed
1 point

Anti theism is not a thing, just the lack of belief that is called atheism

Side: Atheism is the better view
GenericName(3430) Clarified
1 point

Anti-theism is indeed a thing, it just isn't a religious belief.

Anti-theism, often found with more "militant" atheist, is the belief that theism is a negative thing, and something to be opposed and criticized. Literally "against theism".

Side: Atheism is the better view
0 points

Believe in God or not, you may believe in supernatural force.

The wind is invisible

Electricity is invisible

Demons exist, they are invisible

Atheists denies the existence of God, but do not deny invisible forces around them. It's impossible to conceive that a house, a car, a planet , the solar system came to existence by themselves !

Any creation has a creator.

Side: Theism is better
1 point

Just because something is not visible purely using our eyes does not mean it is "supernatural".

Wind and electricity can be measured and observed, and electricity can be visible in certain situations.

Demons can not be measured, nor observed.

Any creation has a creator.

But you believe there is an exception to this: God. If you believe there is an exception to this, how can you hold this to be a universal truth that all others must be held to?

Side: Atheism is the better view
SebastianM(12) Disputed
0 points

But you believe there is an exception to this: God. If you believe there is an exception to this, how can you hold this to be a universal truth that all others must be held to?

Because it's impossible that life,the human body, the animal world , the vegetation, with their complexities came suddenly by accident, without any intelligence behind these masterpieces .

It's impossible that the solar system is well organized by accident without any intelligence.

Same as It's impossible that a house , or a car or a TV or a computer with their complexities came by accident , someone must have made them !

This is the universal truth a creation has a creator

Side: Theism is better
J-Roc77(70) Clarified
0 points

The wind is invisible

Electricity is invisible

Demons exist, they are invisible

We have evidence for air. We can measure its temperature and its volume for instance. We can see secondary evidence for air as well like blowing leaves. We have lots of evidence for electricity too, we can measure amps, volts etc.

We have no evidence of demons. Your statement about atheists and "invisible forces" is not a valid conclusion.

It's impossible to conceive that a house, a car, a planet , the solar system came to existence by themselves !

Any creation has a creator.

You mean that you don't think it is possible, others certainly do think it is possible. There is evidence for these things happening due to natural laws.

Any creation has a creator? What about the Christian god? Saying he doesn't need one makes your statement a fallacy of special pleading. If a god can exist without a creator why not a universe?

Side: Atheism is the better view
SebastianM(12) Clarified
0 points

We have no evidence of demons. Your statement about atheists and "invisible forces" is not a valid conclusion.

People suffered from attacks of demons, their testimonies and their experiences proves the existence of these evil spirits ,they normally dwell in haunted houses

You mean that you don't think it is possible, others certainly do think it is possible. There is evidence for these things happening due to natural laws.

I'm Still waiting for an evidence , that it's possible that a house , or a car, or the solar system came by accident :)

Side: Atheism is the better view