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Atheists screwed this generation
People used to be happy when I was a younger man. Now they are all jacked up and on prozak. So you tell me.... we'd hardly even heard of depression when I was a kid.Now it is everywhere. That's what's atheism does. Kill people and their happiness. That's why I fight them. They are literally doing something that kills hope, sanity, and peace, and yes, I will oppose it to the end.
The fact is, the "Jesus loves you " era was the happiest generation in human history. Atheist millenials should be pissed. You got screwed. You were the first generation taught that there is no meaning, no purpose, no hope... face it. Your fathers screwed you like a pooch...
You got that right. Atheists back 60 years ago even had the intellect to understand that faith in God was good for a nation's well being.
Even Atheists were not afraid of a simple Prayer in schools (with no child forced to pray) because they understood that prayer, love and forgiveness were good for our children.
They were not insecure extremists who today live in fear of hearing a Prayer, or fear of people speaking to moral values. Intelligent people understand that morals are good for our families.
Morals come from societies not deities that is why morality is different from culture to culture. Morality is a behavior that allows groups of people to cohabitate without conflict. I don't see the importance of public prayer in society. When I realized that there was no God I was upset that I was lied to by my entire social group. I later realized that they did not intentionally mislead me. As for prayer in School does it matter to you which God they pray to?? Most religious people don't want their children praying to the wrong God so how do you work that out with school prayer because as a public institution it must be fair for EVERYONE!
As always, those on the Left try to twist the argument. I did not say that schools would be forced to have a prayer, but you had to put that fear in people.
It would the freedom of the communities if they wanted a prayer or not. We are a majority Christian nation and most times that would mean the community would choose a Christian prayer. OH NO SAY IT AIN'T SO! How dare we want the freedom to choose having a prayer in the schools that we pay taxes to.
Do you see how politically correct brainwashed you have become to fear the freedom to say a prayer in school? That goes so totally opposite the religious freedoms we once took for granted in this nation.
Morals are the most important part of a functioning society. People living sexually promiscous lives are a terrible burden on our social programs. Do you realize that the vast maojortiy of mothers on welfare are unwed? That's a moral issue.
Do you know how many children have no fathers at home? THAT'S A MORAL PROBLEM!
Do you see all the gangs? That's a moral problem.
Do you see all the addictions? That's a moral problem.
Are you starting to get it? For people like you to fear the obvious benefits of lifting up moral values only shows how the Liberal bigots in this nation have brainwashed people to fear anything that has to do with God.
Our nation is going bankrupt from irresponsible immoral lifestyles. We can't afford to be fathers to millions of families.
-----Morals come from societies not deities that is why morality is different from culture to culture-----
The Western culture was built on Christianity. Notice that as Christ is slowly getting pushed out of our culture, now we have millions of grown women dressed as vaginas holding signs with the "p" word on them, and signs that say "the future is nasty". (With children watching) Suddenly killing cops is cool, we have an opiod epidemic, and suicides just keep going up.
-----most religious people don't want their children praying to the wrong God-----
About 5 billion people claim the "God of the Bible". Jews, Christians, Muslims. Buddhism is nontheistic and claims no god of any kind.
If someone is an exception they are welcome to pray as they see fit. It only takes a minute, helps promote unity within communities, and Christians are still the vast majority in this country.
If I was in Pakistan, I wouldn't be offended by the "Call of the Azan" because.... I'm in Pakistan...
The same for Atheists. You're in a majority Christian nation. If you hear "Jesus loves me" or "The Lord's Prayer", you'll be okay.
-----so how do you work that out with school prayer because as a public institution it must be fair for EVERYONE!-----
That's something people in the vast minority say to try and impose their will on the majority. It's hardly democratic or "fair" to cancel out the will of the vast majority. If I were in Israel, I would expect Jewish prayer time.
You were already destroyed in the prayer in schools debate, and you swapped positions 3 or 4 times...
You started with "school prayer IS legal in schools", then jumped to Christians made it illegal (as if that made any sense). Then when I pointed out your link was about a specific type of prayer being made illegal in 1962, not prayer in general, you swapped back to prayer is legal, and then I pointed out that it is not legal today in real life on planet Earth, and you had a meltdown.
People used to be happy when I was a younger man. Now they are all jacked up and on prozak. So you tell me.... we'd hardly even heard of depression when I was a kid. Now it is everywhere. That's what's right wingerism does. Kill people and their happiness.
Conservative values haven't changed. It was your party that kept moving deep left and embracing a secular worldview while controlling the media and Hollywood.
The Jesus Loves You era was when everyone was high as can be on every possible drug they could find. Then you banned all the fun drugs and made everyone take Prozak. It had nothing to do with religion.
I am an atheist and I have many atheist friends who are very happy as am I. Just because we have the knowledge that God is imaginary it doesn't take away life's meaning, purpose or hope. When you realized there was no Santa did that destroy Christmas forever? Rhetorical. I have the opposite circumstances with the people who surround me. Many of the Christians I know drink alcohol to excess or take medication for anxiety. In the Middle East God is the driving force for the mass killing which is occurring. You don't see atheists killing people for choosing the wrong way to worship, LOL. The truth is that, there is a very strong case for the Jesus story being completely fictional without even a man similar to the one mentioned in the scriptures. I have a 70 page thesis which I have put together that no Christian has been able to debunk as of yet. So how does believing in something with NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE make people so much happier?
"The truth is that, there is a very strong case for the Jesus story being completely fictional without even a man similar to the one mentioned in the scriptures."------
Now you are arguing with non Christian sources from that time period and even Atheist historians.
"So how does believing in something with NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE make people so much happier?"-----
Well it does meet the hierarchy of psychological needs, and Atheism does not. There is evidence, just not the evidence you demand.
Show us evidence of the magical nothing that manifested our reality from its magical nothingness, otherwise I am Atheist of this magic Atheist force that manifested all of reality.
Yeah, most young people are happy regardless of religion. Then real life comes in and Atheism isn't there to give you comfort when life gets real. Talk to me in 5-10 years. Atheists with any age on them act bitter, hateful, and depressed.
What do you consider young my friend? I am 52 and many of my friends are of a similar age. I have raised three children to adulthood most of the time as a single parent. I can assure you my life got real in a hurry. At 22 yrs old I was left with 7 month old twins. As for bitter and hateful people that describes most of the Christians I know. They seem to always be pissed about something: fags, lesbians, gender confused people, muslims, nativity scenes, Happy Holidays, ect
-----They seem to always be pissed about something: fags, lesbians, gender confused people, muslims, nativity scenes, Happy Holidays, ect-----
Well, Muslims are commanded to kill us in the Quran. To not be concerned would make us idiots, and we would deserve what was coming if we laid down our defenses, knowing what the Quran, the Hadith, and the Sunna command Muslims to do to Christians and Jews.
The only difference between your position on people of other religions and that of the Muslim extreme is that you aren’t following what your God has commanded you to do. And they do
2 Chronicles 15:12-13 12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[b] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
Deuteronomy 13:7-11 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
Exodus 32:26 So he stood at the entrance to the camp and said, “Whoever is for the Lord, come to me.” And all the Levites rallied to him.27 Then he said to them, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.’” 28 The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died. 29 Then Moses said, “You have been set apart to the Lord today, for you were against your own sons and brothers, and he has blessed you this day.”
Jeremiah 48:10 A curse on anyone who is lax in doing the Lord’s work! A curse on anyone who keeps their sword from bloodshed!
-----The only difference between your position on people of other religions and that of the Muslim extreme is that you aren’t following what your God has commanded you to do. And they do
2 Chronicles 15:12-13 12 They entered into a covenant to seek the LORD, the God of their ancestors, with all their heart and soul. 13 All who would not seek the LORD, the God of Israel, were to be put to death, whether small or great, man or woman.-----
Well, it's like this. Those were commands given to Jews thousands of years ago in those particular circumstances. He didn't "command me to do anything". I'm not a Jew, nor is it thousands of years ago. Our commands don't come from the "Old Testament" because we are in the "New Testament". I know this is hard for atheists to follow, but the logic is as simple as it gets...
Muhammad commanded Muslims to slaughter, not thousands of years ago, but for all time. Completely different eschatology. If you aren't that educated on the fundamentals of the religion, you are on the wrong topic.
And there is no objective morality with Atheism. I can take two Atheists, one a liberal, and one a conservative, and they will never agree on what is good or bad, good or evil. To declare war, kill spies and moles, or declare open war on Devil worshippers who cook babies alive as human sacrifices isn't evil to me, so why is your moral code, "the moral code" we are to judge by? It isn't, and your point is moot with no available objective code.
And finally, You have completely dismissed the basic concept of omniscient morality. If you know the ends justify the means, and are fully aware of all ripple effects and outcomes, only you know if what you are doing or allowing is moral or not.
Example: If I went back and killed Adolf Hitler as a child, am I a child killer, or the hero who killed Adolf Hitler.... By your assessment, you would blindly call me a child killer, yet if I knew he would become the Furer, I am actually the one in the moral right, per say, not you, and you wouldn't be aware of why, because you wouldn't know he becomes the furor. You're claim is an emotional appeal rather than an intellectual appeal.
I'm an Atheist, I'm happy and I am 80. Listening and reading the hate that is spewed by Christians and Muslims (and other religious cults), is about the only depressing thing in my life. I could be even happier if those cults would stop fighting and adding to the pollution of my "heaven on Earth", but, they seem to have no control over their emotions .... or their need to prove whose "god" is boss!
"Talk to me in 5-10 years ... HA! I will have to be very lucky to be around then, and with Trump in office, I guess I have to make that "extremely lucky"! God help U.S.! (Chuckle)!
"I could be even happier if those cults would stop fighting and adding to the pollution of my "heaven on Earth"-----
Yeah, well, I guess you'll have to get those atheist and Christian mocking dictators to quit slaughtering people in mass by the millions. How many people were killed in the name of Jesus last year? Three? One? Five? None? Geeze louise...
they seem to have no control over their emotions .... or their need to prove whose "god" is boss!
And isn't that just sad? It's like it's a desperate way to prove they are better than others because they are worshiping who they see as the right God. I honestly feel bad for them that they feel they have to be SO right. I believe in God, always will, but.....I also believe that a person is judged on what they do and not who they believe.
----i also believe that a person is judged on what they do and not who they believe----
Not according to Christ. According to Christ if you can see the heart of a man, no man is good or anything resembling good. That's the point of the cross. To depend on your own righteousness is arrogant self righteousness, which God abhors in the Bible.
That's what Jesus'story about the two men in the temple was about. The one who was "right with God" forsook his own "righteousness and claimed to God to "be a sinner".
It's not stupid. You're too old to know what a soccer ball is. When you were young, saber tooth rabbits walked the Earth, and the only sport was trying to not get eaten by a T Rex. Right or wrong?
Nahhh... I just read where you SAY you use facts and logic to win over your opponents.. But, if that were so, you wouldn't need to call 'em LIARS, and you DO that all the time.. That's a character FLAW. If I were you, I'd ask God for forgiveness..
If one thinks they have no character flaws they are in rebellion against God. I even said I was a horrible person in debates on this site, but what I am not is self righteous, the death sin.
----if I were you, I'd ask God for forgiveness----
I Do it all of the time and am at peace. The atheist is running at full blast in a contest of "goodness" which is one of the greatest sins of all. We admit our faults, thus one is unable to call us "Ye hypocrites!" as Jesus did to the Pharisees...
----Listening and reading the hate that is spewed by Christians and Muslims (and other religious cults), is about the only depressing thing in my life.----
Yeah right. If that were so, you wouldn't pertake, unless you are claiming to be mentally insane.
----Listening and reading the hate that is spewed by Christians and Muslims (and other religious cults), is about the only depressing thing in my life----
If this actually were true, you obviously have never listened to Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, or Christopher Hitchens. Negative would be the primary word used to describe them.
-----Talk to me in 5-10 years ... HA! I will have to be very lucky to be around then, and with Trump in office, I guess I have to make that "extremely lucky"! God help U.S.! (Chuckle-----
So... you literally think you have 5 or less years, (your claim), and still are too arrogant and self righteous to look for God? Wow. Even Christopher Hitchens, a militant atheist debator had more incite and humility in his weigning years on Earth. And this is the very man who wrote a book called "God is Not Great". Even he considered the possibility that he could possibly be dead wrong.
So where did your God come from? that would go back to something from nothing or like matter and space always been there just changed forms. Amazing how both are the same yet you fail to mention both sides.
There's nothing that says anything comes from anywhere or that human concepts mean anything to another reality. You need a natural answer, which causes an infinite regress of causes. We don't need a natural answer. Our answer is from beyond space and time. I would suggest that where God is at, all things exist. Our reality was simply him manifesting some of those things in what we think of as a physical form. I don't think you can create or kill beings where He is. They just are. Everything is abstract, including time.
You do realize that God started in a cave where elders would talk to God and relay Gods wishes to the village. Then when the village was in peril some of the villagers went into the cave to discover that there was no God it was all contrived by a group of elders to control the people. Then Gods were moved to the tops of the highest mountains. When people began to have the ability to reach those tops God was moved to the sky then to space and now beyond space and time. It is clear why God must keep moving do you see it?
I never touch the stuff, even pot, never could see the point in smoking, even. (I do like a good Bourbon now and again ... and again). Life is my drug. My hat doesn't say "Make America Great Again", it says, "Life is Simple, Eat, Love, Fish". You religious conservatives are ruining the fishing! Now, THAT's hard to deal with!
Bronto .... do you EVER smile?? Ever say something NICE?? Ever spew anything but HATE for other humans?? TRY to be happy Eat, love, fish ... religiously .... you'll find heaven on Earth ... unless Trump completely ruins the fishing! Even Jesus loved fishermen. ;-)
The point here is that religion is not the problem or the solution it is just a personal choice there are good and bad people in both groups. every evil act has been perpetrated by people of all religious backgrounds. truth be told more religious people have committed evils acts than atheists.
What do the LSD and Crack users that are atheists have to deal with exactly?
You are dead wrong in the Bible there are two to three million people killed for the sake of religion. Then there were the dark ages where many million were killed in the name of religion. Then there were the crusades. and the list goes on. What about a certain Christian who massacred millions of Jews. I think you need to revisit history
You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?[4]
I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A n* with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation.[5]
Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.[6]
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science... The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! ...Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.![7]
True. And the people killed in the Bible were sacrificing babies to the devil and practicing blood rituals with children. If God hadn't stopped it, then that would be your new argument.
If you have to go back multiple centuries and I have to go back less than a century, you've lost this argument. Atheist has. murderers happened lately in real life. Not in the Dark Ages.
"In the Middle East God is the driving force for the mass killing which is occurring."
1)Of course Muslims and Christians believe almost nothing similar. Muslims reject the teachings of Christ and his Godship.
2)Atheists manifested the greatest genocides in human history. Would you like to do a debate on Atheist dictators throughout human history? Apparently Atheism doesn't save the day. It makes things worse.
So are you trying to say that power hungry and psychotic people in history are atheist? I would argue that these people in history are predominately religious and once in a while atheist but that is not the reason for their behavior. Religious belief can cause people with different beliefs to kill each other. People with no religious belief don't really care that much about the beliefs of others
-----So are you trying to say that power hungry and psychotic people in history are atheist-----
Many of them were. At worst it shows that atheism isn't the "cure to the ails of the world" and maybe even directly causes many of those ails without any religion.
Really?? Let's say I believe in darts.. If you DON'T believe in darts, NOTHING changes.. What goes on in YOUR pea brain changes NOTHING in the real world. Darts are just as popular and relevant as they were BEFORE you piped up..
I DON'T believe like you do.. Clearly, that doesn't SCREW anybody, especially YOU.
Oh please JatinNagpal. You have no idea what all other atheists would do. What did Joseph Stalin do? Killed 30-60 million people and "not in the name of religion".
Nope. We're screwed because of a combination of extreme ideologies (political, economic, and religious) and rich elites. The masses are left with constant misdirection and errosion of their resources. None of that has anything to do with atheism.
Oh please Grenache. The U.S. was simple and safe and well ordered morally when I was young. The secularists came in and now kids need safe spaces and therapy dogs and new gender pronouns. Really?
You wouldn't settle for us blaming lawn darts or lack of helmets on Christianity, so don't try to stick everything you don't like in the world on atheism.
----The USA was a much more dangerous place then vs now, anyway.----
I dunno... the left keeps yapping about gun deaths and threatening anyone who disagrees with them with violence. And Islamic terrorism. And suicide is at the highest rate in history. Oh... and an opium epidemic....
-----You wouldn't settle for us blaming lawn darts or lack of helmets on Christianity, so don't try to stick everything you don't like in the world on atheism----
Oh please Grenache. How many people were killed by lawn darts, swing sets, and/or sitting in the backseat without a seatbelt? 5? You are derailing into an emotional appeal.
There were not millions killed by lawn darts. Citation needed. Kim Jong Un is a cabbage patch doll out of control. Now stay on topic and quit using humor as a deflective tactic. That's my job.
----Oh please. Atheism has nothing to do with safe spaces, therapy dogs, or gender pronouns----
What it does have to do with is giving up and caving in to the claims of the New Atheism movement, all of which I have won plints debates standing against in other debate forums, because once you pause, they don't actually make any sense. They are appeals to emotions over intellectualism.
Atheists have always existed in one shape or form. The real people who screwed the menial generation were those on the left who were jealous of those in the civil rights movement era who wanted their own big triumphant victory for society. Enter Social Justice. By the time they mingled with Atheism (see Atheism Plus) they already had their hands in the pie that is journalism (see Huffington post, Gawker Media etc) and of course university professors (see, nearly any university professor) besides as a Catholic, if anyone "screwed you like a pooch..." it would be my local priest on a Sunday afternoon....
No they did not. If anything they will make a great future. They will not be brainwashed by fiction. We are evolving without these stupid beliefs. Not brainwashing people.
Bs. You literally believe a nothing with magical abilities manifested something. That's as mythological as it gets, and seeing this generation made the "switch", it is obviously due to liberal indoctrination. Otherwise the generation before would have made the "switch". You are a part of group think.
