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Athiesm poisoning religious peoples minds.
Ok so lately ive been noticing alot of athiests will randomly attack a religious person just because of thier beliefs. Also its funny how athiests keep saying that religious people (like myself) are shoving our religion down peoples throats but accually im beggining to notice its the other way around,now please keep in mind not all athiests but some do. They act as if athiesm is a religion (which it isnt).
As an atheist, I agree. I absolutely hate religion, and quite frankly think the whole Christian thing is idiotic.
In my normal social circles, I cannot be quite as open about this because I would lose friends. Here on the internet, however, I can be just as abusive as I like without fear of repercussions.
I'm sorry that I am this way. Maybe it wouldn't have happened if the southern baptist church and my parents hadn't tried to brainwash me for the first 14 years of my life.
I'm agreeing with this side, but I honestly think what I have to offer is more of an antidote than a poison.
I am understanding you . Your and people's very big problem and issue is that people , especially atheists , do not search information about religions and truth . Why do not you want to disclose and open truth comparing and looking for truth ?
Why do not you aspire to read religion books ? Do not afraid plz . If people have been reading religious "Gomer" book to expand their knowledge . Why do not read and compare Koran and Bible ?
Why do not research and find right way ? It is very important cause you work out your destiny !!!
For example , the most people regard that the Islam is religion of terrorists !
WHY ? You say it because you do not know who are Muslims ad what is Islam .
Do you know that even Muslims do not accept the Muslim terrorists , because their severe actions are contrary to stream of Islam !!!
Just make a research . I can help you and other people to find answers to these questions . BECAUSE I made these researches and made conclusion , SOLUTION .
The vocal atheist presence on the internet is enormous. Being that I don't like to presume people refrain from voicing their opinions in real life out of cowardice, I can't say why that is. (It's probably that.)
Maybe people like to be able to express their atheism without having to fear for their safety, livelihood, or that they will be ostracized from the community they live in. The internet could allow them to do this.
Personally I would much rather talk to (and debate) religious people in person, but in my experience the religious people I meet are usually unwilling or unable to express or defend their beliefs properly. Not all. I used to have some great debates with a very Christian judge who was the father of one of my friends. But he was a notable exception. If I come to a website specifically dedicated to debating, I'm more likely to encounter theists who are willing to argue with me about the subject of religion, so that's why my atheistic tenancies found their way onto the web.
That's very likely the case. I'm fairly vocal about my non-belief IRL, but I'm much more vocal on the web. However, I never begin debates. I'll tweet or post anti-theistic status updates, but I rarely levy an unprovoked attack on anyone.
I used to have lengthy conversations with two Elders, a hippie-turned-evangelical pastor, and a secular satanist while drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes (not the elders, of course. Ha!) regarding the existence and probability of a personal god. Of course, no one convinced anybody otherwise, but we were all cordial and pleasant.
religious beliefs have been proven as false (every religion has been proven to be based upon a foundation of lies) religions only defense is ignorance which is why they do not defend! / David
This is where you show your ignorance as Chuck pointed out it is impossible to prove religion to be true or false, you can disprove parts of the Bible but it doesn't prove God doesn't exist it just shows parts of the book are wrong. So many people believers and non believers think religion starts and stops with its particular book, idiots the book is just a guide, true spiritualism and religious belief is deeper than that
Maybe people like to be able to express their atheism without having to fear for their safety, livelihood, or that they will be ostracized from the community they live in. The internet could allow them to do this.
I don't doubt that there are places so hostile to areligiosity (especially outside the West [where most atheists I've run across aren't from]), but I've never been to one and so have a hard time relating. The majority of people where I'm from consider themselves "spiritual not religious" if not outright atheist.
Obv the above post was kind of a joke; I don't really like to debate religion in real life either. It's a very private thing for me, and it's made moreso by the familiarity I've gained with the arguments for and against it on sites like this one. In a way, I'm thankful to the internet Atheist community for teaching me so much. In another way, I'm puking right now because of them. Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegh
The majority of people where I'm from consider themselves "spiritual not religious" if not outright atheist.
In my area, we are predominately Baptist. Next are the non-denominational churches (they're actually Baptists, too), then the other Baptists, then the Catholics, and then the rest of the Christians.
Oh, so you're mad that atheists are finally being vocal about their world view? It's not like Christianity has been on TV for decades, radio before than; it's not like religion has permeated every level of our society.
Except that it has. And all around the world, religious sects are fighting and killing each other over slightly different versions of the same text. Atheists are tired of being demonized when it is religious people who invariably attack (not only rhetorically, but physically) others.
Whilst I agree that people have used Religion as an excuse for many horrific things throughout history I dont think Animedude was having a moan about Atheists expressing their views. I think his complaint was more about Atheists being abusive to people with Religious views, I do agree with him on this as there are some Atheists who seem to find it impossible to debate a religous person about their beliefs without being abusive but this also goes the other way as there are some Religous people who are just as bad.
If religious people attack other religious people because of having a slightly diffrent texts then why am i not killing anyone right now? or maybe its because some of what you said is false. I will admit though that some religious people take it to the extreme where they would kill. Also im not mad at all its just its funny to me how every athiest says that religious people always try to shove thier religion down peoples throats but now you guys are beggining to do the same. Who knows what the future will hold, maybe athiests will kill someone for having diffrent beliefs than them .
why am i not killing anyone right now Your Christian brothers could be; your Jewish cousins are. Your Muslim cousins are. Throughout history, religion has been responsible for more genocides and murders than Stalin and Hitler combined. And don't think for one moment I'm singling out Christians; I take great care to insult all religions, equally.
maybe athiests will kill someone for having diffrent beliefs than them . Unlikely. As atheists, we have no unchanging beliefs. As new evidence comes forth, we revise and reevaluate our opinions.
Your Christian brothers could be; your Jewish cousins are. Your Muslim cousins are. Throughout history, religion has been responsible for more genocides and murders than Stalin and Hitler combined. And don't think for one moment I'm singling out Christians; I take great care to insult all religions, equally.
Jesus tells us not to kill so some of that is false why would a christian kill if he is taught not to.
Unlikely. As atheists, we have no unchanging beliefs. As new evidence comes forth, we revise and reevaluate our opinions.
I already know some religious people kill. Then why did you feign ignorance? I just think your over exagerating the whole thing. And I think your skin is too thin if your faith can't handle the ridicule. Seriously, we're not trying to force you into atheism; we only want you to think critically about your beliefs.
How do you think an atheist would fare running for public office?
That's what unlikely means. "I know." Then why did you insist on clarifying?
Some accually do force people into athiesm and I do think about my beliefs, at one time I was agnostic, my mind was confused and I didnt know what to belive anymore but I was saved by god but thats a diffrent story. Also I wasnt clarifying about the whole unlikely thing I was just agreeing with you.
You don't have to talk to them. Stop engaging them; ignore them. If they harass you further, there are actions you can take. It sounds like most of you experience with this has been online, so just block the bastards. If you participate in any sort of public forum (be it Facebook, Twitter, CreateDebate, YouTube, ect.) you invite criticism and ridicule. If you can't handle that, perhaps you should find a christian-specific forum.
If religious people attack other religious people because of having a slightly diffrent texts then why am i not killing anyone right now?
You are attempting to push aside religious wars by saying that because you don't kill, that they don't kill? The majority of religious people would not kill someone, however an extremely high amount of wars and deaths have been created due to religion.
or maybe its because some of what you said is false
He was speaking the truth. Religious people have started many wars, many controversies, many assaults and deaths and so on. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it wrong, as it has been proven throughout history that the religious have started many wars and battles, and caused millions of deaths.
I will admit though that some religious people take it to the extreme where they would kill. Also im not mad at all its just its funny to me how every athiest says that religious people always try to shove thier religion down peoples throats but now you guys are beggining to do the same.
What I'm beginning to see is that you are hypocritical and cannot figure out how to proofread. It's completely fair that you think only some religious people would kill ("when taken to the extreme"), yet every atheist tries to harass the religious. Do you not see how backwards-ass you seem right now? You're denying that religious people have started the vast majority of wars, yet you think every atheist tries to go out of their way to bother you. If that's not hypocritical, I'm not sure what is.
Who knows what the future will hold, maybe athiests will kill someone for having diffrent beliefs than them
I hope in the future we can abandon religion and advance in society, as it exists as none other than a setback today. Very fitting how you say that atheists will kill people who have different views in the future, yet you seem to have no problem with the religious killing others in the name of their different deity.
athiests will randomly attack a religious person just because of thier beliefs Like religious people attack other religious people just because of their beliefs? Only, they usually physically attack others, rather than just ridicule their dependence on an imaginary friend.
athiests keep saying that religious people (like myself) are shoving our religion down peoples throats but accually im beggining to notice its the other way around Role reversal for the past two-thousand years. The institutional religiousness of American culture is inescapable; from department stores & malls, to courthouses and Time’s Square. Non-religious people cannot help but be inundated with religious nonsense, and it’s our right to stand up and voice our concerns.
I wasn't keen on the title of this debate, it made it sound as if Atheists are making Religious people doubt their beliefs (if this is a consequence of talking to someone with different beliefs maybe your own were not as strong as you imagined) but on reading the text I do agree somewhat. Whilst I dont mind people expressing their beliefs or non beliefs (afterall that's what freedom of speach is all about) what does annoy me is that some people seem unable to treat others with respect just because they have different beliefs.
By all means disagree with someone and express your views on a subject but I think you should at least be civil to each other. When someone goes off on one calling someone an idiot because their views are different you dont help your argument and invariably make yourself look stupid
some people seem unable to treat others with respect just because they have different beliefs Like Christians when they find out I'm an atheist, for instance.
Your right some Religous people are ignorant and nasty the same as some Atheists, there are also some nice people on both sides thats why I didn't single out either camp in my post. There is no need to be abusive to someone because their views are different in fact if people are reasonable when expressing their views they stand a better chance of being taken seriously.
Hmm lets see here I've doubt you have not been anything besides a Christian where i have been a Christian then changed yeah i'm not open minded at all.
I assume you mean "have been anything besides a Christian" and not "have not been anything besides a Christian." And on that account, you're incorrect. I was an Atheist for longer than I've been Catholic. That you would make that presumption of me without basis is resounding evidence of your closed-mindedness.
Yet further proof of your closed-mindedness, dude. You do know that "open-minded" doesn't just mean "agrees with me," right?
Anyway, I reject the premise of this question based on the etymology of the term "brainwashed." But I changed my mind when I started studying religious history and theology. Some familiarity with literature helps loads, too.
I downvote bad arguments and non-arguments. That's all. Your problem is that you seem to think smugness and condescension count as an argument; they don't. If that gets you downvoted, that's your problem, dude.
Stop deflecting every criticism I make of you back onto me. It smacks of desperation and makes you sound like a child. It's also never or rarely germane to the argument at hand; if you're really that asspained about my downvotes we can discuss it privately; don't spam debates because of it.
tbf dude your evaluations of my intelligence don't much concern me. usually, you respect somebody's opinion on something because they have clearly demonstrated their authority on that subject. taking your word on who's smart and who's not would be a little like asking dan brown for writing advice.
your evaluations of my intelligence don't much concern me
I can see that well enough. You keep up your shit no matter what anyone says. But that's no reason to not say anything at all. Who knows, maybe something will sink in.
no, i actually make every effort to be as receptive to substantial criticism as possible, and to reevaluate any stance or view i'm given cause to. blindness to constructive criticism is probably my biggest pet peeve! h/e like i said that shit has to be qualified, and with your determination to demonstrate irreverence + prejudice at every opportunity your opinions are p well qualified as "worthless"
Sorry, but I'm not a mirror. If you want to say something to yourself while "looking" at yourself you have to face a mirror, or any reflective surface. Or mail yourself, I guess it could work too.
Wait... I can help you out. Here:
"no, i actually make every effort to be as receptive to substantial criticism as possible, and to reevaluate any stance or view i'm given cause to. blindness to constructive criticism is probably my biggest pet peeve! h/e like i said that shit has to be qualified, and with your determination to demonstrate irreverence + prejudice at every opportunity your opinions are p well qualified as "worthless"
You must've missed the right button... 1 is right next to 2, after all. I've accidentally done the same sometimes, but I usually check what I've written, I guess you didn't.
i'm actually really curious about how you lead your extra-ebate life. do you have a facebook? a blog? how do you interact with family members and classmates? do you have a mode of interaction other than "laughable tryhard condescension?" how have you managed to live longer than a decade acting this autistic? who is nummi
Age has nothing to do with mental maturity. The mind does not grow like our physical body. The mind is something you have to grow yourself. Well, now you know.
i'm actually really curious about how you lead your extra-ebate life. do you have a facebook? a blog? how do you interact with family members and classmates? do you have a mode of interaction other than "laughable tryhard condescension?" how have you managed to live longer than a decade acting this autistic? who is Assface
Yeah because old storybooks hold so much more weight in evidence than scientific facts.
Seriously, i could see MAYBE someone becoming kind of christian from atheist. It would take a lot but i guess it could happen.
But catholic? Please. anyone can see it was a religion made into a get rich quick scheme. Its horribly corrupt in every way and just as stupid as normal christianity.
The pope can lick my balls. Preaching all this shit about peace and equality and not needing material needs from his gold throne as he discriminates against gays and lets off priests for molestation.
Yeah because old storybooks hold so much more weight in evidence than scientific facts.
In some ways.
anyone can see it was a religion made into a get rich quick scheme.
Roman Catholicism is original, (mostly) unaltered Christianity. It is the wellspring from which all other forms of Christianity originate. In this sense, it is the purest iteration of the faith. You're right that it's gotten corrupt over the years, but the essence of it (and the purpose for which it was created) is clearly for the worship of Christ, and the traditionalism appeals to a certain sort of person.
The pope can lick my balls.
Woah! This is the edgiest thing I've ever read! I can't believe any teenaged male Atheist is this irreverent! How unexpected! You, sir, are a true iconoclast!
Actually it's a subset cult off of Christianity that focused more on Mary and political control of pretty much everything it could.
Did I ask for your opinion? The pope needs to play captain and go down with his sinking ship. Catholecism is just completely absurdly corrupt. It disgusts me.
It's definitely not a cult, legally (which is the only thing that differentiates a cult from a religion). To say it's "off" Christianity, apart from being grammatically incomprehensible, is just historically incorrect. Protestantism was formed in protest of the corruption of Catholicism, which as a Christian denomination is about the most unaltered since its conception (with the possible exception of Greek orthodoxy).
Did I ask for your opinion?
Haha, no, but this is a debate website, silly. It's kind of implied that you want someone to respond to you. :)
So you know its basically a legal cult, AND know the history of its corruption...and you're still a catholic? I dont get it.
Also unaltered basically says that its pretty much the same as it was hundreds of years ago. Which makes it foolish, outdated, and still false. In the bronze age slavery and rape were okay. So if it is unaltered, that would mean those things or things like it would be okay too.
Since "legality" is the only thing that differentiates a cult from a religion, this is an oxymoron. It's a bit like saying it's dry water.
Also unaltered basically says that its pretty much the same as it was hundreds of years ago.
You'd have to be terribly ignorant of Catholic history and current events to believe this, which I get the strong impression you are. To start with, ever heard of Vatican II?
In the bronze age slavery and rape were okay. So if it is unaltered, that would mean those things or things like it would be okay too.
This is some of the most spurious reasoning I've ever read on this site, and there are a lot of incoherent retards around here. Do you even know what period the term "Bronze Age" refers to? Catholicism didn't exist in the Bronze Age.
Opps my bad banana, I mistook what you were sharing as a respoonse to me yet I notice that you are referring to the post beginning this thread. I just joined and am getting use to this site
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You talk as though it's impossible to be educated about religion and something else. Theology is often called the master of all studies, as it's necessary to have at least a passing familiarity with most disciplines to have a robust understanding of it. I have to say, personally, that I've met more ignorant Atheists than ignorant religious. This website's preponderance of nigh-illiterates cursing God and hoping to provoke someone is abounding evidence that Atheism and ignorance are not mutually exclusive.
Theology called the master of all studies....by who? More theologians? I understand it just fine. Its fake. Why should we bother wasting time understanding what is fundamentally based upon lies? Upon myth? Its the 21st century. We have some world problems that need fixing, and were not going to solve them by studying fairytales. We need to study facts and learn about things that are REAL.
Also, tell me what information in math and science you need to understand theology? I dont see how it could help at all. The only things would be english, world cultures, history, and the like. Things that, alone, are very important, but are wasted on uncovering the secrets of....lies.
Im not saying atheists are better than everyone else and being all egotistical. But the stupidity of the theists on this site is just too much sometimes. Its hard to not look smarter than someone when they are just so dumb.
Before I actually give my opinion, I'd like specific examples of what you've seen. Real examples of something atheist have said that prove your point. At this point, I'll go ahead and believe your word on this, I won't require proof. But I do want you to provide examples to better evaluate this claim.
ok so all I did was talkj about my religion on this video and this guys says this to me ("lol god doesnt exist hes just imaginary evolution is a fact, look it up yourself you stupid christian") and there are plenty other examples its like I cant even state my religion anymore, I wasnt telling anyone to belive in christianity all I did was say god bless you to this one guy and this other guy comes and attackes me.
Well, that's a pretty tame remark and not unlike comments levied against atheists on a daily basis. And by saying "god bless you" you put your beliefs out into a public forum. That's part of the process; you've got your chance to stand up to them when they say something you don't like.
Sure, this guy was an asshole, but he didn't say anything coming close to damning you to hell for all eternity because his sky-daddy is different.
All you have to do is browse some of the religious debates on this site and you will see abuse flying around from all sides although I have noticed Atheists do seem to be first to start slinging insults at the moment (I would like to point out that this is not all the Atheists that use this site and normally it is the same few people)
Unfortunately I dont see that happening anytime soon because there are too many haters on all sides when it comes to something like Religion which is sad.
I do think it is interesting that there are a lot of Atheists who complain about the attitudes of Religious people when theirs are no better and like I said in an earlier post this is a two way street.
I don't care that you are atheist. It is your right to choose how to live. But do you really think the way to stop violence is to bash religion on a online forum? Most people on CD, with a few exceptions, seem level-headed. Even if by chance one of those violent fanatics who are perpetrating monstrous acts in the name for their religion happens upon this site, do you really think hostility will make them see reason? Instead we should be considering solutions for violence, not inciting more conflict.
Religion has plagued the globe with it's disease of factually proven foundations of lies for thousands of years leading to the death of millions if not billions!
The only reason people are labeled as atheist is because of their disdain for religious filthy disgusting lies plaguing the world!
I am no Atheist, I am the factual fundamentalist that has proven that every religion is based upon a foundation of lies where as an Atheist merely believes that religions are based upon lies.
religion is what poisons people minds with disgusting filthy lies used by the selfish and the greedy to take advantage of those from a time of weakness for power and control over the many.
Ones time of weakness when the religious prey upon you, were you an innocent little baby? Did you just lose a loved one? were you homeless or starving, did you just get raped, were you lonely .... the list goes on an on!
you can find the factual evidence that proves that every religion is based upon a foundation of lies by looking for my profile page on google plus. look for David Jeffrey Spetch and scroll down until you find them, there are a few compositions that contain that info there.
The sooner we rid ourselves of religion the beter off the well being of the future of the life on this planet is! It is so sad though after thousands of years of war and divide over filthy religious lies that people still have the nerve to cling to religion like a dung beetle clings to it's food thus exemplifies that those who stoop to claim to be religious value lies more than they value life. / David
Yeah I have noticed that over some opinion that we Christians say something a lot of non-believers on this site rush and attack and question our beliefs like flies on crap. Its not really poisoning my mind because I know that some of the stuff the non-believers believe is not true or isn't worth believing because I don't have enough faith to be an atheist to believe what they believe.
Absolutely not. It totally depends on the person. There are ferocious persons in any religion or in any atheist community. Its just our belief that O My God he is disregarding our religion or so.
Hmm. Im a Catholic and yet, I dont think that they are poisoning our minds. People just have different perspectives in life. And they just like to say it their way. Maybe there are some times wherein the way they say those things, is too much. But then, somehow, I think id do the same if they were trying to attack my religion. I think thats just their way of defending their side,and I dont really find it as offensive. They're not really poisoning the minds of the theists because it is up to the theists if they will let them do that. If people really have strong faith, then being poisoned by others wouldn't be a problem.
I know atheists, one is a friend of mine. When i say i have to go to church instead of going to hang out with him he asks me why and i explain why.
I understand athiesm and their point of view. But i disagree. Just because there is religious peer pressure dosen't mean that one gives in just like that.
Like Tecumseh said, Respect others views and demand that they respect yours.
For those who think that Atheists attack all religious people (and ONLY those people who believe this):
Have you considered that the people Atheists attack actually DO, for the most part, force their religious beliefs down the Atheist's throat? I've never met an Atheist who shoved their "lack of belief" down the throat of a believer who was quiet about their belief.
Now, I'm not going to say that it doesn't happen. But a healthy animal that isn't threatened doesn't attack. Just food for thought.
Technically atheism is a religion. Religion: a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.
Monotheistic religions tend to be loud about their beliefs and try to yell it at anyone who will listen. Atheists just react back because if they don't they get preached to all the time. People that are religious tend to a\talk about it all the time, argue with anyone who disagrees with them, and will fight most facts that are staring them in the face. Their still free to believe what they want but they should convert their attitude to a more eastern attitude to it. Most of the eastern religions such as Shinto allow you to worship other religions along side it, or wiccan which dosn't go out of their way to convert people. Atheists target monotheistic religions to prove them wrong to retaliate to all the preaching and pushing thats done every single day, day after day. If people don't believe in something it gets really annoying to hear it everywhere you go. I believe that religion should not be involved in social things, and that it should be practiced at home and in your morals. Not to be spread as far and wide as it possibly can be.
While some people are asserting Atheism affects to religions , I allege that Atheism does not poison religious people minds .
First of all , Atheism is not strong enough so as to confront and compete with religions . Because , they do not have any achievements in proving that God does not exit . While , religious people believe GOD on account of mystical , amazing , surprising , astonishing , overwhelming, real events , stories and situations .
Secondly , the religious people prefer live with hope that life after death exist , rather than believe that you are nothing and live only one time .
Thirdly , atheists cannot teach people to do right and kind thinks whereas religions have been teaching them since ancient times .
P.S. Atheists , do not be childish and read a lot , to find right way . Because you are working out your destiny and future .
Atheists are people who reject the existence of god. Its just NOT religion by deffinition. We then back up our position with scientific, historical, physical, etc. evidence.
What would you call an Atheist that doesn't deny the importance of Faith to mankind? I'm relatively unfamiliar with the term "Gnostic".
Faith is important,
Religion is a scourge.
Trust not what man says about God,
Trust God.
^If God is your thing. Personally, I believe that God is an invention of the human psyche. We needed it, for a time. For those who believe, I do not deny that God is real to you, but God can only exist within your mind. If that ruins God for you, then you can't truly be all that faithful.
You can call me a prophet, or a serpent.
Or probably just a man.
I have legitimately been accused of being an agent of Satan just because of that belief i stated above. The silly thing is that the woman was so concerned about protecting her God, that she forgot I wasn't attacking it.
