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Attention All Theists!
To all the theists out there: prove to me that your god exists. Here's your chance to prove all the little atheists and non-believers wrong. Give me some proof. I wanna see absolute, irrefutable, undeniable, irresistable proof that your all powerful god person exists. Please.
Yes, the Bible proves the existence of God, even though it just came from people at that time, but we, theists believe it... What about the dictionary, the words also came from people.. but we believe it anyway. Do we question what is written there?
one cannot yet prove the existence of God since beliefs are the basis of us Christians. We cannot prove God through scientific means since there still no evidences. But philosophical arguments and numerous spiritual incarnations are the best shot of us Christians in proving his existence. It may be termed that such eye witness accounts have malfunctions in their mind but that does not necessarily point out to the whole audience since some people are given gifts that we have not been given such as foresight and ethereal vision in which there are no proofs but are believed by witnesses.
I agree impossible to prove unless your open to philosophical discussion on the matter and that wont be proof of existence of a deity or higher power just my views on why people believe
Let alone for anything; for everything can be refuted and every piece of "evidence" is based on faith that the evidence itself is not in need of proof.
for everything can be refuted and every piece of "evidence" is based on faith that the evidence itself is not in need of proof.
Faith is not required for everything. This wouldn't be "faith" in any religious sense of the word anyways. It would be a justified belief in the evidence. Why would you need a never ending chain of evidence in the first place? All evidence defaults down to your senses, which are self evident in and of themselves.
All evidence defaults down to your senses, which are self evident in and of themselves.
Yes, in one sense; and so when one claims that the evidence that he or she has proves his or her point, then they are claiming that they he or she are infallible and incapable of interpreting evidence incorrect.
And it still does not negate the fact that you can have no such thing as proof that is "Absolute, irrefutable, undeniable, irresistible;" for one claiming to have this type of proof would be able to persuade everyone; for no one would be able to refute it, deny it, or resist it.
and so when one claims that the evidence that he or she has proves his or her point, then they are claiming that they he or she are infallible and incapable of interpreting evidence incorrect.
Perhaps in the colloquial sense of the phrase. Yeah in everyday conversation we might use that as a "see I'm right" kind of deal. But in science it works much differently.
If you perform an experiment and it confirms your hypothesis, then you've just proven your hypothesis correct. That doesn't mean its infallible and incapable of being wrong. Perhaps another experiment with another hypothesis will prove the initial hypothesis wrong.
Uuummm...How about YOU give ME absolute, irrefutable, undeniable, irresistable proof that he does NOT exist. Do you see how stupid that sounds??? As of now, it cant be proven OR disproven.
This is so true! I go to a very large church (almost 20,000 members) and our pastor told us of an encounter he had with a proclaimed "atheist" on a plane ride. He challenged the guy and said, "You aren't an atheist." The guy argued with him and defended his stance that there was no God. Pastor said that he was not an atheist unless he had proof that there is no God. Of course the guy didn't have a leg to stand on, and by the end of their flight, he accepted Jesus as his Savior :)
Christianity is faith-based for certain, but God is more than willing and able to reveal himself in different ways. Cancer free scans after a diagnosis, a mystery envelope of money in the mailbox for the EXACT amount you need to pay your rent, the miracle of a child when 10 different specialists have told you it wasn't possible, and this list could go on and on. If you open yourself to allow for an encounter with God, there is no denying that He is very real!!!!!
Many religious people claim to know for an undeniable fact that god exists, but they provide no evidence or proof for their assertions.
Only an idiotic atheist would claim that he has proof or evidence that god does not exist. Anyone that's done their research knows you can't prove the non existence of something.
Thats the exact point I was making sweetie. I am a christian, and I can only speak for myself, that the reason I believe is due to extraordinay events that occured in my life that cannot be explained away by science or logic. Now, I may be wrong, but it has always been my understanding that athiests believe that science can and does explain everything. But that simply is not true.
I am a christian, and I can only speak for myself, that the reason I believe is due to extraordinay events that occured in my life that cannot be explained away by science or logic.
That's understandable, but like you said earlier it can only be proof or evidence for you that a higher power exists. We don't have independent access to your memories, and personal testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Now, I may be wrong, but it has always been my understanding that athiests believe that science can and does explain everything. But that simply is not true.
Just as a correction, this is a blanket statement about all atheists. Blanket statements are not the best kind of assertions to make, they tend to be riddled with inaccuracies. It would be like stating all black people like chicken, the only difference is this statement is obviously racist. Both are blanket statements or generalizations about a group of people.
Atheists like to harp on science a lot, to back up their views, but the atheists that claim that science knows everything simply haven't done their research. I'm an atheist, and I have no problem simply saying "I don't know" to a question. An answer to every question is not required, there is nothing wrong with saying "I don't know", contrary to popular belief.
Science cannot explain everything, but it can explain a lot. And it has done so with more success than any other method at explaining things, without a doubt.
Thank you for your input, and having done so respectfully. Theres a few here who do not extend that courtesy. You are right that it is proof only for myself, and thats fine, although when I tell my story, most people, believers and non-believers, simply shake their heads in awe. Maybe soon I will tell this story : ) and I completely understand what you are saying about a blanket statement, which is WHY I said, I may be wrong. I was only stating what I had heard from others, including some athiests themselves. As a christian, I also do NOT have an answer or explanation for everything. None of us do, and probably wont until the day we die. I always say that "I would rather believe and find out I was wrong, than to dis-believe and find out I was wrong ; ) hey, at least I led a good life being kind and loving and honest. Nothing wrong with that, right? Lol...
I agree with most of what you said. I did have one thing I wanted to respond to though.
I always say that "I would rather believe and find out I was wrong, than to dis-believe and find out I was wrong ; ) hey, at least I led a good life being kind and loving and honest. Nothing wrong with that, right? Lol...
The term for this would be Pascal's Wager. Pascal argued that it is better to believe in god than to not believe in god. Because if you believe in god, and you are wrong, you lose out on nothing. And if you are right you get all the glory and heaven and all that stuff.
If you do not believe in god, and you are wrong, then you get sent to hell for eternity. But if you are right and god does not exist, then you have gained nothing because you cease to exist.
Pascal wagers that under these two situations, it is more advantageous to believe in God than to disbelieve.
But there is a problem with this wager. Why does God care so much about whether we believe in him or not? Why wouldn't God judge us based on our merits? The good and bad things we've done, what kind of person we are?
I believe that if God exists, he cares little about whether we believe in him and cares far more about how we treat others.
That's interesting, I had never heard of this person. Its just something I thought of once a long time ago when talking to one of my kids about religion. I thought about what you ask. God will judge us on our deeds, good and bad. As for why should he care whether we believe in him or not, well, this is just my thoughts on this. I asked myself, if I was God, why would I care? This may be a poor example, or a rather simplistic way of looking at it, since we are only human, and this would be human nature. But since he made us in His image then we have to assume we are basically like him. So, my thought is, If I did something very good and significant, say, at work. But someone else got the credit for it, I would care! So if God does exist and everything we know about Him is truth, and He really created all of us and nature and everything else, why would He NOT care? Thats a pretty signifant good thing, isnt it?
For instance- at my job yesterday, the trainer was talking to us. Now, in my beliefs, i think people all around are aware of "whats out there" And are aware of their incarnation from different dimensions.
Long story short, she basically was telling us how to work the computers, but in my mind, she was giving us life advice, but very subtly, like how to detect other souls that are awake, how to subtly give messages with a deep meaning, stuff like that.
Is this proof of god? No, but it is proof that your beliefs determine your reality
But what if someone's beliefs are harming others? I mean it seems potentially dangerous to imply that people should allow their reality to be determined solely on their "unqualified" beliefs.
Prove the virginity of your moms and wives. If any atheist proof that, I will give him/her 1000000000 US$. I want proof, because the atheists want to believe everything on the basis of proof. If you say, "we married our wives" or "our dads married our moms" without proof, then how did they believe them without a proof and got married?
Uhhh, I'm pretty sure my mom ISN'T a virgin or she wouldn't be my mom. Also, I don't need to marry a virgin. I want someone who loves me. Sorry you are so shallow. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
