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The EU Referendum passed in the UK. What now?
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What now? Most likely:

Brittain's stocks and markets and economy all take a big hit for a few years.

The near 50/50 divide in population opinion will stymie many efforts to cooperate to move forward.

The European Union will play hardball with Brittain for a while, like a bad divorce.

Ireland will have a unification vote which will pass.

Scottland's old independence push will come back alive.

And if Clinton wins the Presidency a serious push for red state secession will begin.

Fast forward 30 years:

UK will still be a shell of what it thought it would become and the European Union will still be the dominant regional player.

Ireland will be separate and still in the EU.

The USA will be split. The developed coastal blue states will be doing fine and the middle and southern red states will have slipped backward a half century in time.

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Me in 2036: I'm the president, and I approve this message.

jolie(9810) Clarified
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In short, a calamaty of biblical proportions. Floods, earthquakes, dogs and cats living together.

Jace(5222) Disputed
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Given that there are reasonably strong Euroskeptic movements in EU nations which poll low in support for the EU, I would not say the dominance of the EU is as certain as you make it out to be.

US is not a comparable analogy to the Brexit, either. The EU is effectively what the US was early on, a composite of numerous nation-states federating together. The US already got through that delicate stage where the nation-states become federalized into a single state, which makes secession from the US an entirely other matter. Not to mention that there is a codified means of leaving from the EU which the EU appears to be respecting, whereas the US has historically demonstrated its unwilligness to allow individual or multiple states to secede from the union (you know, the civil war).

Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Yours is the voice of reason. I was being rather flippant.

Finally a people with the back bone to say SOCIALISM DOES NOT WORK!

Britain is sick of being tied to dead economic socialist nations, constantly in need of being bailed out by the Big Brother EU that is telling them all how to run their econmies and who they must bail out.

This is what socialism is..... redistribution of wealth from responsible people to irresponsible people, all in the belief that the irresponsible people will appreciate the help and mend their ways.... LOLOLOLOL, what a failed ideology.

Communes where everyone makes the same money and have the same quality of life DO NOT WORK! It is only the reward of a better life with harder work does the system work. Laziness can never be rewarded the same as hard work.

What socialism actually does is create a welfare state whereby people become so lazy and spoiled that they demand people support them and actually have no shame in living off tax payers for generations. Then the hard workers throw up their arms with the high taxes and say screw it, I will live off the system as well....until it goes bankrupt!

As in Amercia where the new extremist socialist Democrat party is destroying America's greatest economy on Earth, socialism is a complete failure and the entire world is living on borrowed money printed to pay for their welfare votes. It will all come crashing down and then as Britain has done, need to start over to what we all know works.... capitalism and individual responsibility for your own fiscal condition.

Personal consequences for irresponsible spending is the ONLY means to prevent it from reoccuring. It's truly sad the Left is so mindblowing stupid not to get it after witnessing it for so many years. Do they actually not get it, or do they just not care and only live in the power grab while it lasts.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed
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The UK never claimed they wanted to leave the EU because of Socialism.

And socialism does work in several countries. Democratic Socialism.

Immigration policy had more to do with Brexit than socialism.

And socialism is not a redistribution of wealth, if the nation at hand was socialist from the beginning.

If worked correctly, it also does not encourage laziness. Just the opposite really.

What do you think the UK's Labour party is about? Tell us, in your own words, and then show how it does not have an ingredient if socialist ethos in it.

Other than that your post was fine!

LOL.

SS

Poseidon(61) Clarified
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If worked correctly, it also does not encourage laziness. Just the opposite really.

How is that exactly?

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Just shows the "Common People" are "Really Tired of The Progressive Elite" shoving policy down their throat and them just being expected to take it ! The world is waking up and The Progressive Elite are more and more going to wind up on the "Losing End" !

Finally something interesting, I was starting to get bored.

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Did you catch the bit with boats before the vote happened. Good boredom buster, that.

A close outcome, but the upshot is that the United Kingdom has very effectively torn itself apart. It was difficult to endure the nonsense emanating from the 'Brussels Mafia'' who cannot account for $billions. However, on a debit/credit rating the pros of staying in outweighed the cons. Tariffs will soon be in place for British manufactured goods going to the E.U, which represents 40% of it's exports. The pound sterling has tumbled to a 30 year low against the dollar and £200 billion has been wiped off it's shares. Inward investment by those companies wishing to use the U.K, as a base from which to export into Europe will be put off by this development and existing foreign manufacturing corporations will seriously consider relocating to mainland Europe. The E.U, Mafia sitting in Brussels will undoubtedly make an example of the Brits to deter any other member nation(s) going down the same road. Britain will be progressively alienated by the rest of Europe and this will have a massive negative effect on the economy with the inevitable loss of jobs along with growing anti British hostility. The British voters are most fickle and this undesirable character trait has been portrayed throughout history as they ditched Winston Churchill after his superb leadership during WW2 and Margaret Thatcher who literally saved the U.K, from economic disaster as a result of too many socialist governments and the power crazed unions. And now when David Cameron who took the reigns over from yet another bungling left wing Labour Government along with George Osborne saved Britain from the worst financial crisis in it's long history the British public decided to ignore his lead on the issue as well as the advice of almost every leading industrialist and expert economist in the western world and opted for economic suicide. David Cameron quite rightly announced his intention to resign. This will be a real catastrophe and will see the break up on the United Kingdom with Scotland demanding a split from Nationalist England and Northern Ireland being forced into an all Ireland referendum on the removal of the border. Well done the Brits, slap it up you, you deserve the nightmare which is coming down the line like an express train.

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Maybe they should join the U.S. and become the 51st state.

This is the start of people standing up and saying enough is enough.

This political correct and socialistic indoctrination from the world is proving to be a huge failure as thinkng people already knew.

I hope Trump will also shock the world and send a message to the control fanatics in the Democrat party. People can only be told how to think for so long before they stand up as did Americans in the revolutionary war.

George Orwell's movie "1984" had it correct. Big Brother Government will control our lives if we let them.

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Noble sentiments there but in the real world the U.K's economy is intrinsically linked to the European Union and it's tariff free trade zones. Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain within the E.U, but were forced to leave by the ''English Nationalist'' vote. Yes, there were a number of issues which needed to be addressed, particularly uncontrolled immigration which was/is swamping the public services including education, housing, national health service and other hand outs, but were arrogantly pooh poohed by the Brussels mafia. These issues would have been resolved more effectively from within the E.U., but alas Britain is now denied that platform. We're in a sort of ''phony war'' situation right now as we will remain a member until departure terms have been agreed. Some of the senior E.U, officials cannot wait to speed up the divorce so as to put the boot as far up Britain's arse as far as possible. When the divorce is completed and the spaghetti really hits the fan those who listened to the emotional rhetoric of the ''leave camp'' will be horrified when they realize what they have done.