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Best chess player here
I must confess, while I try to be heavenly minded as much as possible while reaching out to lost souls trying to get them to see the only real hope in the Savior, I do like to indulge in chess and often enjoy the game so much I forget to ask my opponent if they are saved from Hell. People generally play for pride, I play for Jesus.....and only online can I find opponents to give me a good game. Everybody I know in real life is pitiful in their chess game and it's hard to enjoy humbling my friends. Since most of you clowns here act like enemies, I'll be happy to give you a good whooping on the chess board. (and if you are an advance player who can actually impress me on the board, for that, hat's off to you...but I doubt it. I don't concede easily, y'all know that by now.)
When you play chess do you flip the gameboard and claim you won because the person can't make a move? If not, I would like to hear some pointers from you.
How you doing, Fartman? Annoying as you are, I feel sorry for you because I know you are hiding your issues, the pains of your life that fester under the skin of your smokescreen posts here. I gave up on trying to get through to you, seems there is no hope of you softening up to be honest about yourself, much less about your need of salvation.
Here's a pointer, Fartman, read a chess book if you want to learn chess....and play the game. There won't be chess in Hell if you don't get saved before it's too late, so you might as well read a chess book and pass time
I feel like trying to engage you in actual conversation again, who knows why. Here goes!
You seem to assume that because I am not convinced that Hell exists, I think I am above it.
If Hell exists and your deeply held beliefs about Hell is true, then I certainly have no right to exist outside of it. It's that "If" where the problem is.
A good question and you are being fair with me refraining from profanity and insults so I will give you a fair and respectful answer.
So when will you know for sure? When will your "if" change to certainty? I have no if about it, the "if" is yours. I respect your right to say if, and to believe there is no Hell. You will not forever say "if" there is a Hell. One day you will know. How can I speak anything other than what I know is true? If you say I don't know, it's you who does not know. You not knowing only proves you do not know. I know. You believe or you don't.
You can either believe it before you get there, or you can find out the hard way.
You start with "if". Then say to yourself, "have I broken God's law, and do I deserve to be cast away from Him forever?". You might recognize that you are a sinner and deserve whatever punishment might fall on you at any time. "If" you think this "may" be true, you "may" want to believe Jesus is God who paid your price, took your place on the cross and suffered and died for you, paid for your sins so you can be forgiven in His resurrection. "If" you will believe these things, and ask God to forgive you based on what Christ did for you; to save you from the punishment you deserve, and receive Jesus as your Savior, you will be saved from Hell and you will know Hell is real because Jesus died to save you from it.
The other way you can "make sure" Hell is real would be to sit there saying "prove it" until God proves it to you in death. Hell is eternal death in fire, eternal dying the same as you are dying forever now only with fire forever.
There is no point after this post in you asking me for evidence of Hell. You will get your evidence from God, by believing His word or by denying His right to rule against you. Somehow I think you will choose the latter. I hope I'm wrong in that. I want the best for you, and God's desire for you is the best beyond anything you can imagine.
Well I'm sorry, you'll just have to find out the hard way I guess.
I honestly think there is something in you that rings true when you hear me say, as the Bible says, that Hell is God's justice against His creatures who rebelled against Him, it's the logical resting place of sin which destroys goodness, ending in a place where there is nothing good for the sinner. You do not want to believe only because of one thing...your sin, you get pleasure from your sin and you don't want to renounce it. You love your sin more than life, so you have set up a mental block in your mind denying sin's destiny of eternal dying as you are dying now except in complete absence of anything good from God as you in your sin are consumed in the fire of Hell and your sin will never affect evil among the living again. If you will not acknowledge that God has the right to reject you because of your sin and leave you in Hell, you will force Him to execute that right and you'll wake up in Hell.
God Himself paid your price in death, now in His resurrection if you will not believe on Him and receive His forgiveness by receiving Him as your Savior, you will be rejected in death as you reject Him in life, and then God has only one place for you and that is in the fire which burns against His goodness and will deprive you of any possibility of believing He loves you. You are literally demanding God prove Hell is real, and you are demanding to learn of it the hard way. God is reluctant to grant your desire or you would be burning in Hell now.
Enjoy your sin while you can, tell yourself how smart and strong and wonderful you are as long as you can and I hope it's a long time because things won't be getting better for you with your attitude against God.
You insult me by saying you honestly don't think I have any idea why I think Hell exists. Your grammar in that statement is deplorable, but understandable when behind those words you are foaming at the mouth trying to deny God of His right to overrule you. Instead of the feeble attempt to put together a logical sentence, you could have just cussed at me and called me stupid. That would be the same as the insult you tried to frame with nonsensical double-negative grammar, and for that insult I am banning you.
I said earlier there was no further need for you to continue this discussion if you will not believe Hell is real. You don't want my help, I can't help you, try helping yourself.
I can't prove you wrong, but you are wrong if you think there is no Hell. It's not my job to prove you wrong...why would I be responsible for an impossible task? If you won't believe Hell is real, you won't believe it until you find yourself unable to get out of it's fire, and even then I suppose you will not believe it is forever. I think people in Hell agonize over trying to convince themselves that the torment will end, and then scream in agony when they realize they see no end...as if screaming will give them relief or get them out.
Now run along little doggy, you've lost your way and you won't look to the One (The Son of God) who is the way, who made the way for you to be saved....so run along little doggy, before the dog catcher gets you and puts you in the impound.
Now run along little doggy, you've lost your way and you won't look to the One (The Son of God) who is the way, who made the way for you to be saved....so run along little doggy, before the dog catcher gets you and puts you in the impound.
Yeah you fucking dog!! Well said by brother. Stupid moron idiots!! Let them burn in hell!
The persons name is elf dog, he does not think he needs to be saved from Hell so there is no point in my trying to talk sense into the little dog. I hope he has a good long life, and the same for you.
I do not believe for one moment that you are saved, sure your sins are forgiven and you are going to heaven. I think you are lost and on your way to Hell never having admitted you deserve to burn in Hell forever now and never having repented of your sin and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ to receive Him for real as your life, to be born of His Spirit as a child of God. I think you are of your father the devil and on your way to Hell, and you hate me viciously because you hate the truth. Go ahead and hate me, Jesus said the world would hate me if I follow Him and I should not be surprised. You do not surprise me.
Do you think hating me proves you are good enough to be exempt from Hell? What is your problem? I think you are on your way to Hell and fighting tooth and nail against me because something inside you tells you it is true that you are on your way to Hell.
What you need to make sure of is that you will not end up stuck in Hell forever. People who say they don't believe in Hell and think they are proving it by dying are not making a wise choice. You ask "if" Hell is real. Well, "if" Hell is real, then you are in trouble, aren't you? Isn't that what you said yourself, that "if" Hell is real, then you do not have the right to exist outside of it. By your own words that means you are running out of time and "if" Hell is real, you are in a lot more trouble than you want to believe or think about.
Jesus conquered death to save us from Hell. This is the good news from God, the gospel of God. We still have to carry the consequences of sin in our dying bodies, but we do not have to die forever in Hell. God promises a glorified body like Jesus' resurrected body, flesh and bones, to those who believe on His Son and receive Him as their Savior. The only hope apart from this promise of God is that you won't burn in Hell forever and by your own words, "if", shows you are unsure of having hope of not burning in Hell. Your "if" is for you. I know my sins are forgiven and I am going to heaven. I realized that my sin separated me from God and I deserve to burn in Hell forever, and I believed Jesus is God the Son who took my death to give me His life, forgiven, in His resurrection and He came in to me, made me a new creature, born of His Spirit and washed by His blood so God sees me as justified by the blood of Christ. My sins are forgiven and I'm on my way to Heaven. This body of death I am in here will not keep me down, it will not take me down to Hell. I have full assurance of Heaven, I have no "if" about Hell.
It is because of such assurance that Christians will accept torture or death rather than to denounce Jesus Christ who suffered and died for them. It is because we know we deserve every punishment and Christ did not deserve it yet took it for us, and rose from the dead to be our justification for life so that He cannot be denied and we have eternal life in Him so we willingly suffer with Him, to know him and the power of His resurrection.
I feel like trying to engage you in actual conversation again, who knows why. Here goes!
You seem to assume that because I am not convinced that Hell exists, I think I am above it.
If Hell exists and your deeply held beliefs about Hell is true, then I certainly have no right to exist outside of it. It's that "If" where the problem is.
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A good question and you are being fair with me refraining from profanity and insults so I will give you a fair and respectful answer.
So when will you know for sure? When will your "if" change to certainty? I have no if about it, the "if" is yours. I respect your right to say if, and to believe there is no Hell. You will not forever say "if" there is a Hell. One day you will know. How can I speak anything other than what I know is true? If you say I don't know, it's you who does not know. You not knowing only proves you do not know. I know. You believe or you don't.
You need to think about your own words, your own "if". You need to be sure with no "if" that you are not on your way to Hell, and there is only one way to be sure....but maybe you have made that brick wall so think against God that the light of the gospel will never shine through.
I believe that's the nicest thing you have ever said to me.....but being saved is more important than being a chess champ. They are not playing chess in Hell. I hope you get saved.
Being the best chest player here could indeed be true, but we have no way to confirm nor deny that. But what we can indeed confirm from your statement is your arrogance, your you vs the world blinders, and your cheating at debate by once again forcing any respondent to choose from response columns which don't truly reflect any opposing viewpoint. And in that respect, you're like the chess player who sets up the board so anyone who plays him already has half his pieces gone from the board before he can even consider a first move. In other words a chess cheater.
You're kidding, right? Do you want me to teach you some basics to improve your game? I'll still be preaching Hell fire and brimstone against sin and Jesus Christ who is God who died to save us from our sins.
I looked at some of your chess games. I see you love the game, and that's good. It's more fun if you learn some tactics which I see no sign you have any grasp of. I would wipe you off the chess board fast.
the only way you can prove you're the best here at chess is by playing against them. you are exulting yourself, and will be humbled. Matthew 23:12. you're real full of pride for being an alleged envoy of God, aren't you?
You know what God says about your sin, you know He wants you to trust Him, confess and forsake your sin and yield yourself as one alive from the dead in Christ......you need to believe on the LORD, receive Jesus as your LORD God the Savior and trust Him for your life and future. You know this, yet you enjoy the mud pen of your sin more than you love life; and that is why I pretty much ignore you.
There are beginners, intermediate, advanced, expert, master, and grand master levels. You will have to play at advanced level to be a good match for me, and high advanced level to win enough for me to concede you are the better player.
But what is really important is knowing for sure that your sins are forgiven and you are going to heaven. Being a chess master or teacher does not make you a good person so your sins are forgiven.
You cannot know that your sins are forgiven. that's kinda the whole point of having faith
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Side note, I've beat the best chess computers out there. never had much fun playing human players. mostly because my strategy for winning transcends the board. It's not about playing the opponent, it's about making the opponent play himself.
Well, you are in disagreement with God. God says you can know you have eternal life if you believe on His Son. You can know your sins are forgiven. The fact that you do not know your sins are forgiven only shows that you do not know. I know.
The difference between my faith and your faith is that my faith is based on facts. Your faith is based on uncertainty so it's void of solid ground to stand on. That's why you feel like you have to try harder and harder to perfect your behavior in your moral code, whatever code that is which you have chosen for yourself. You know you are not perfect and have no solid place to stand in your faith which has no certainty, so you are like a person swimming in the middle of the ocean hoping his feet his something solid to stand on but never able to find it.
And I don't believe a single word regarding your chess claims. I've heard people talk like that before, until I beat them twelve straight. You're fooling yourself.
"It's not about playing the opponent, it's about making the opponent play himself."
I think this reflects your strategy for obtaining hope of existing outside of Hell as a sinner. You're trying to prove God does not have the right to rule against you. And again, I don't believe a word of your claims of being a master of chess. The guy who taught me the game as a child made the same kinds of claims, airhead stuff about having some kind of gift which caused him to look at the board differently and play differently so his opponents become tripped up, bragged about how he beat everybody all over the world traveling in the US Navy. I thought hmmmm, maybe it's true, maybe he is a master like he claims....
It's about delusions of grandeur. Twelve straight wins humbled the guy a little. He should have been happy, a good teacher wants his student to excel beyond his teacher; and I am honest about my skill level which is far below master and a long way to reach expert which is below master.
All I have to do to win is find someone at above your skill level and be engaged in the game. it's not that I believe I am a master, it's that I know I can pretend to be as arrogant and prideful as you are and get some grand master to decide to wipe the floor with me. and since I'd be playing a game with you at the same time, my moves would reflect yours and he would wipe the floor with you. it's not about playing the game, it's about making the player play himself. had I not revealed this ruse of mine, I could have probably convinced you I was a good player, but, nowhere in my arguments have I said that I was a good player. I said that I doubted your prideful highhorsing. and I could further refute your claim by simply convincing a grand master to make an account
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There are many many ways to win a game. to win an argument. many strategies that transcend the board. maybe that's cheating, but on the internet anyone can be a dog. there'd be no proof you weren't using a chess computer. there's be no proof you weren't surrogating a chess master, and there'd be no proof that God exists to prove 100% that your sins that you're sorry for are forgiven. that, is why it's about faith.
So you are deceitful, and because you are deceitful you expect everybody else to be like you I guess. What are you trying to prove? You are trying to prove I should not allow you in my discussions at all? You are trying to prove you have the right as a sinner to exist outside of Hell, and God should not ban you forever like I'm banning you forever from this discussion.
I'm probably the best chess player here. I'm no master, but I doubt anybody here is better than me in the game. But it's not about me, it's about Jesus and being saved from Hell. I'm only using this topic as bait for fishing.
You're a foul mouth punk, I won't oblige you to give you lessons. I looked at your record on chess.com. I'm SaintNow on chess.com. I looked at some of your games, play by play. It's pitiful beginner stuff. I don't know how people who know the rules of the game can be rated so low, but you are proof it is possible...IF you even know the rules of the game.
If you want a match with me, you will first publicly apologize here for your abusive language. If you talked to me like that face to face with a chess board between us, you might have some pawns replacing your teeth.
I don't expect you to apologize as you are not man enough to humble yourself in such gentlemanly manner, so I'm banning you. Your big mouth proves nothing, your record on chess.com tells the truth. You're a pitiful chess player, and swearing is a sign of a weak mind trying to express itself forcefully. Your chess record is also a sign of a weak mind. Grow up some, punk. First learn some manners, and then I won't call you punk and I'll reconsider giving you some lessons in chess in the name of the Lord.
facts" about evolution have nothing to do with anything written by scientists. I would suggest that you can't handle the truth, but your head might explode, so I won't suggest tha
If you argue that being saved is more important than being a chess champion, you would be on the winning side of this argument, idiot. You make it a losing argument on both sides by being unable to argue against either side. How did you become so dumb after all your education? What a waste of money.
if you're really so convinced that there is a correct side to an argument, then you're pretty awful at being a debate mediator. and at setting up debates in general.
I'll lift the ban for a moment to see how you reply, though I expect nothing more from you than what you have always offered from the first time I ever saw you post here, nothing but baseless insults, bullying tactics of punks who hide behind school walls. I think you should go find Dawkins and hang around with him and his monkey grandmother.
"I'll lift the ban for a moment to see how you reply." That statement admits your default behavior is to ban people who disagree with you, and you only give them an opening to comment if you think there is zero risk to your argument. It's an admission to cowardice. Now go ahead and ban me again, coward.
See? You apparently are incapable of discussing anything without using insult as argument. So you are banned. I gave you a chance. Being saved from Hell is more important than being a chess champion. You don't want to discuss the points of the debate, you only want to insult you like you always have. Of course I'm going to ban you. I won't give you a second chance again.
Still crying about getting banned? Why don't you learn to discuss your differences of opinion without using insults and character smearing techniques instead of logic and reason? This is why I thought you were a kid at most no older than young twenties and I'm still not convinced you are older than that by the way you act....but then again, Dawkins acts the same way and he can't possibly have but a few years more before his day of reckoning in the Judgement. One thing I can suggest that might help would be for you to quit drinking. Alcohol makes you not care about decency so you run your mouth and don't care how much of a jerk you come across as or how juvenile your actions are.
You're banned, remember? Just checking, wanted to make sure you understand that I'm not going to tolerate your rotten garbage and I see no indication of civil discussion coming from you, so I'm leaving you on my punk/incorrigible list as a waste of time to try to reason with you.
hahahah.......I still get a kick out of this attempt to annoy me....like I'm supposed to feel bad for banning you after all you do is insult me. I still find it hard to believe you are over 25 yrs old.
I expect nothing more from you than what you have always offered from the first time I ever saw you post here, nothing but baseless insults, bullying tactics of punks who hide behind school walls. I think you should go find Dawkins and hang around with him and his monkey grandmother.
Well I'm sorry, you'll just have to find out the hard way I guess.
I honestly think there is something in you that rings true when you hear me say, as the Bible says, that Hell is God's justice against His creatures who rebelled against Him, it's the logical resting place of sin which destroys goodness, ending in a place where there is nothing good for the sinner. You do not want to believe only because of one thing...your sin, you get pleasure from your sin and you don't want to renounce it. You love your sin more than life, so you have set up a mental block in your mind denying sin's destiny of eternal dying as you are dying now except in complete absence of anything good from God as you in your sin are consumed in the fire of Hell and your sin will never affect evil among the living again. If you will not acknowledge that God has the right to reject you because of your sin and leave you in Hell, you will force Him to execute that right and you'll wake up in Hell.
God Himself paid your price in death, now in His resurrection if you will not believe on Him and receive His forgiveness by receiving Him as your Savior, you will be rejected in death as you reject Him in life, and then God has only one place for you and that is in the fire which burns against His goodness and will deprive you of any possibility of believing He loves you. You are literally demanding God prove Hell is real, and you are demanding to learn of it the hard way. God is reluctant to grant your desire or you would be burning in Hell now.
Enjoy your sin while you can, tell yourself how smart and strong and wonderful you are as long as you can and I hope it's a long time because things won't be getting better for you with your attitude against God.
You insult me by saying you honestly don't think I have any idea why I think Hell exists. Your grammar in that statement is deplorable, but understandable when behind those words you are foaming at the mouth trying to deny God of His right to overrule you. Instead of the feeble attempt to put together a logical sentence, you could have just cussed at me and called me stupid. That would be the same as the insult you tried to frame with nonsensical double-negative grammar, and for that insult I am banning you.
I said earlier there was no further need for you to continue this discussion if you will not believe Hell is real. You don't want my help, I can't help you, try helping yourself.
You punk, you have not changed a bit from the first time I saw you insulting me every way you could think of...and then claiming it's great debate skills. What a joke you punk. Where I grew up, the kind of debate skills you use would be settled by a black eye or two.