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well, whenever i think of the term slave my first thought is of the black slaves. but "education" has done that to me... so the conditioned response will always be that.
But, the Africans held Jews as slaves (Egypt anyone?).
anyway, slavery was in Africa before the white man came. tribes would take other tribes as slaves. it's not like the white man turned them into slaves, they just reverted where they would become slaves.
Almost all Americans overlook the fact that the black slaves of the colonial United States were first purchased from black slavers. Moreover, almost all Americans never research the history of slavery within the United States and consequently realize that the slavery of white people was never condemned.
Discrimination? The worst form!
What is more worse than all of the above? People who no longer are capable of initiating a cognitive thought that asks the question: Am I a slave?
"It's easy to believe you are not a slave when you have been taught to believe you're free."--Lawnman
If you continue your research of slavery, you may just realize that the greatest enemies of the white race are men of the white race.
Did not white men foment (as taught) the Civil war against their white brothers by using the slavery of the black race as a justification?
Conclusion: The white man has now enslaved both white and black men under a state approved form of slavery, and he calls it: Freedom and liberty.
As a product of American high schools, I first think of black slavery, but I'm very much aware of the innumerable amounts of slaves that have existed from completely different origins and for completely different purposes.
I know slavery has always existed and the the victims include blacks, whites, Indians, Asians, Egyptians, Jews, etc. The list goes on, but when somebody talks about slavery the first thing that pops in my head is the thought of "modern" slavery and how blacks were the last to become slaves...
Blacks were not the last to become slaves. Modern slavery goes on under the politically correct term Human Trafficking. And the institution is alive and far from over. Sure blacks were enslaved but any race can be.
"You don't think it's normal for somebody who lives in the U.S. to think of blacks when they hear the word "slave"?"
No, that is normal; however, what is abnormal is for somebody who lives in the U.S. to think of blacks "only" when they hear the word "slave"! Or when they hear the word "slave" and think "black"!
Let's not go out of our way to also be ignorant of, and protect PC, whether adbcfeghijknmlopqsutrvzxy or w.
Why does it matter what immediately comes to mind!?
I know that a lot of races have had slaves other than just black people.
So what is the problem here?
If somebody was actually ignorant of this and though blacks where the only ones to be slaves in the history of the world I could see the problem. But I don't know anyone who thinks that.
” Why does it matter what immediately comes to mind!?”
I suspect that it doesn’t matter to you; and it’s good that it shouldn’t matter to you.
” I know that a lot of races have had slaves other than just black people.
So what is the problem here?”
Again, there is no reason you should have a problem; for it does not matter to you.
”If somebody was actually ignorant of this and though blacks where the only ones to be slaves in the history of the world I could see the problem. But I don't know anyone who thinks that.”
Hey, by your own words you affirm that which you also deny! You claimed in the second sentence of your argument that blacks were not the only people who were enslaved; however, in your final paragraph you claim that blacks were the only race of people who were enslaved.
The problem, which you can’t see, is the fact that whites were slaves along side blacks in the U.S., the whites were cheaper in price, if they were even paid for to begin with.
So, why all the double-speak with forked tongue? Your words betray your ability to deceive someone into thinking you are something other than what you are: an ignorant, ill-informed, biased, and contented slave.
I recommend that you forego debating any question with anyone until such a time you are fit for such, at least with me.
"I suspect that it doesn’t matter to you; and it’s good that it shouldn’t matter to you."
Why does it matter to you?
"Hey, by your own words you affirm that which you also deny! You claimed in the second sentence of your argument that blacks were not the only people who were enslaved"
Hey you found a loophole good job. But false. That was only a typo. I meant to sat "thought" not "though"
"I recommend that you forego debating any question with anyone until such a time you are fit for such, at least with me."
I believe I am fit for such. If somebody with the same debate skills that I have agreed with you on this very debate would you be saying that?
And you are calling me biased?
" you are: an ignorant, ill-informed, biased, and contented slave."
Not only is name calling the lowest form of debate, but you forgot to even add reasoning as to how I am all of those things. tisk tisk tisk
I am quite amused by your arguments. However, I will at this time, for your sake, demonstrate an act of mercy; I will not refute your latest reply. Yet, if you push and insist that I not grant you a pass, I will...
The thoughts of my mind matter. Do you require an explanation?
”Hey you found a loophole good job. But false. That was only a typo. I meant to sat "thought" not "though"”
Do you strike the keys of your keyboard with your mouth?
Do you own a dictionary?
Do you know the proper usage of the word “false”?
Do you know what a typo is?
The same typo again: Tagged As: we dont need though police
You don’t demonstrate the necessary skills for a debate. Additional education is warranted in your case, obviously.
”I believe I am fit for such. If somebody with the same debate skills that I have agreed with you on this very debate would you be saying that?”
You can believe what you will about anything, but the statements of your arguments demonstrate otherwise.
The debate is not about agreement or disagreement in regards to my thoughts. Read the description of the debate. I’ll explain it using simpler terms if necessary.
“Not only is name calling the lowest form of debate, but you forgot to even add reasoning as to how I am all of those things. tisk tisk tisk”
Again, you demonstrate ignorance of language and logic, and more importantly the place of ad-hominems in a debate.
Had I stated that you are an: intelligent, well-informed, un-biased, and loyal employee, you would have beamed from ear to ear with pride. However, according to your ignorant misunderstanding, that too should be name-calling as per your standard.
Allow me to light a match so that I can show you the Sun.
Name-calling is never rational, but predicating verifiable attributes of a subject is sound reasoning in practice.
The entirety of your argument is evidence of the following attributes:
Jake is ignorant.
Jake is ill-informed.
Jake is biased.
Jake is a contented slave.
Because you demonstrated the truth of the propositions I affirmed, there is no necessity for me to duplicate the proof. You adequately proved my points.
Don’t let your ignorance get in the way of understanding anything I assert. Your pride and ego, through ignorance, are your greatest adversaries.
"Had I stated that you are an: intelligent, well-informed, un-biased, and loyal employee, you would have beamed from ear to ear with pride. However, according to your ignorant misunderstanding, that too should be name-calling as per your standard. "
Arguments and Compliments are not the same thing.
"The entirety of your argument is evidence of the following attributes:
Jake is ignorant.
Jake is ill-informed.
Jake is biased.
Jake is a contented slave.
"
You are interpreting my posts in such a way just to call me names. You can do better than that can you not?
The fact of the matter is that you lowered your argument to the lowest and weakest form. (similar to that of a child)
Thank you so much for down-voting my argument. It really means a lot! (Notice the sarcasm)
"Sure blacks were enslaved but any race can be."
That's why the first thing I said was how every race has been enslaved. It's that list of different races, you see them?
"Modern slavery goes on under the politically correct term Human Trafficking."
Human trafficking exists, but it is not as widespread as any mainstream slavery of the past, it is illegal, and it doesn't necessarily mean a single race is oppressed completely by it.
"first thing that pops in my head is the thought of "modern" slavery and how blacks were the last to become slaves.."
This is specifically what I was talking about. Blacks were not the last to become slaves. If that is what pops into your head it is not true. That is why I bring up the point of human trafficking. I realized you did say all races have been slaves but I was keying in on the part I quoted. Just because slavery isn't mainstream does not mean that it isn't wide spread. Modern Human Trafficking occurs in all countries. More developed countries are just more likely to be destination countries so you do not see the effect of slavery as it is hidden and often confused for things such as prostitution.
Human trafficking is not legal. Black slavery in the 1700's was legal in most of the "free" world. That is the difference. Trafficking may be overlooked in many countries, but the UN is against it and most developed nations, which run the world anyway, are against it and try to stop it. They are different. And what difference does it make what I think of first? Are we going to enact laws now that govern what I can and cannot think?
It doesn't make a difference what you think but when you state a false fact i.e. Blacks were the last to be enslaved, I'm going to call you out on it. It also does not matter whether it is legal or not, it is happening. And not much is being done to stop it other than verbal condemnation on the part of the UN and developed countries. I am sure the Slaves of today are just as persecuted as Black slaves in the 1700's just because it is not legal does not mean they are not victims. You have the right to your opinion but when you say it is because of said fact either that fact ought to be true or you should expect criticism. I am not criticizing your opinion I am criticizing your facts.
The question is what pops into your mind when you hear of slavery, Blacks or Whites. Your answer was Blacks, because they were the last to be enslaved. They were not the last to be enslaved. Therefore your argument is Blacks for no good reason. If you want to say that you have no reason other than your opinion than we have no debate but you still want to argue your point without any real facts to support it. Now the new argument you have made is that slavery was legal then and not now and thus you are justified in thinking of slavery as a Black issue. Legality aside, there are actually more slaves today than there were four centuries ago. Read the attached article. From a numerical perspective there is more slavery today.
In my eyes I have only seen that the black people were the slaves.Have you ever hared of the white slave, expert in sex slaves? I didn't think so! but I'm saying this in the Black woman's point of view.
Dude...this is hilarious..when you talk about salves the first thing that should come to your mind is infackt black slavery. Using the word ''slavery'' is an UNDERSTATEMENT of what actually happened in that time. man were killed, eaten by dogs, woman were raped and given unwanted child of mixed race. Withoput forgetting HOW the slaves were brought to America, stuffed in boats in chains like animals.An estimated 15 million Africans were transported to the Americas between 1540 and 1850. To maximize their profits slave merchants carried as many slaves as was physically possible on their ships. A House of Commons committee in 1788 discovered that one slave-ship, The Brookes, was originally built to to carry a maximum of 451 people, but was carrying over 600 slaves from Africa to the Americas.
Chained together by their hands and feet, the slaves had little room to move. It has been estimated that only about half of the slaves taken from Africa became effective workers in the Americas. A large number of slaves died on the journey from diseases such as smallpox and dysentery. Others committed suicide by refusing to eat. Many of the slaves were crippled for life as a consequence of the way they were chained up on the ship.
White poeple seem to find anything possible to justify or to appease what happened in the past. All races who have went through racism are over it now, there is no more traces and the world has grown from it. Black poeple were enslaved 400 years..consecutive generations of sons becoming fathers and grandfathers in slavery without any sign of hope. And till this day, they are still affected by it. They have lost their original roots, languages, culuture and religion, and have been IMPOSED to this white world they are lving in. Today...the slave left overs are the GHETTOS in which they grow and THINK they belong. And because of the poverty resort to crimes to be able to eat.
But society today decides to cover eerything up and find the perfect excuse to insult blacks and to destroy us from the inside. Killing our children making it look like they are dangerous human beings (Zimmeman case). anyways..too much...go check the pictures of the lynchings, the whippings, the people being burned on the streets to a cheering crowd, the woman being raped internationnaly from city to city...i dont call it slavery, i call it RAce Abuse in which the entire world is taking part...
The word Slave actually comes from some other language's word for "Slav." Might have been the Turks, maybe, but they were considered a slave race wherever.
Being raised in this country I think of our slavery in the USA. The Black history of our country is always there in front of everything else. We've also had our share of white slavery but the English called it bondage. Virtually the same thing but it had its limitations time-wise. There is little but history books or novels to remind us that white slavery, yellow slavery and brown slavery (India) were abundant in years gone by. I think it's wise not to forget that but it does seem the Black men and women here had it worse than others and perhaps it seems that way because it's always and forever a subject that is not let go of. It's quite possible that we must "keep it green" so that it can never happen again and a good dose of reminders is, most likely, the best way to do that.
Wow, is this a trick question? Seems like you already know. Yes, there were white slaves too... in America... during the colonial period... in fact, more white than black slaves... and more white slaves died in transport on the way over here. Admittedly, it's probably partially cause more white slaves were children at the time of capture, but likely the high death rate also related to the fact that they were less valuable. A white slave sold for less cause he was more difficult to recapture if he ran away, cause he blended into the crowd. He had to be taught a skill in his infancy (since he often was one), or he was an adult criminal (vagrancy). Plus, you had to lie to him to keep him enslaved, promising to eventually deliver land to him when you never intend to (the racket of indentured servitude). Charles Dickens wrote Oliver Twist, a story about an orphan in a workhouse who narrowly escapes becoming a chimney sweep (which deformed or killed 4-year-old boys, yet they still had to beg in the streets for food). If Scrooge's question "Are there no workhouses?" has you wondering what a workhouse is, read: "They Were White and They Were Slaves: The Untold History of the Enslavement of Whites in Early America" by Michael A. Hoffman II, "White Cargo: The Forgotten History of Britain's White Slaves in America" by Don Jordan and Michael Walsh, and "The White Slave: Another Picture of Slave Life in America" by Richard Hildreth. Also, here are some interesting links:
So yeah, there were white slaves too, in colonial America, alongside black slaves. Over time, despite the fact that they were more expensive, the shift turned in favor of black slaves over white because at least you could more easily keep your purchase, since he didn't look like everyone else, and because he didn't speak your language at capture, you didn't have to keep duping him and risking his rebellions each time. White slaves murdered more of their masters, typically right after their slavery was extended beyond that promised point of freedom... AGAIN.
All Races can be slaves although a majority of slaves are female. Slavery is rampant today despite what people think. The typical slave is a younger woman used for prostitution. Slaves come from all races and groups of people however a majority of slaves around the world today come from Eastern European ex-Soviet countries.
Typically the victim is somehow lured into slavery through promises of job opportunity. Other times children are sold into slavery to pay off debt. Regardless of how the people become enslaved they are then removed from their country and usually brought to a place with a different language far from their home. The slaves are usually kept in line through violence and intimidation and the fact that they are displaced.
Once in captivity the women are often used as domestic servants or prostitutes. Males which make up no more than a fourth of all enslaved individuals are often enslaved to be used for manual labor. Escaping slavery is difficult because it is often in a legal gray area that can be confused for other illegal things such as prostitution. Often women who try to get help because they are a slave face an uphill challenge trying to get any actual help.
Slavery is not limited to one specific race despite the fact that in America slavery was. Today the most likely people to be enslaved are white.