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Is that what you want? Trump can DO no wrong
Debate Score:69
Arguments:63
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Bront says if I run out of money in my old age, I should BEG for charity..

Hello:

Is THAT how you wanna handle the aged in our country?  DUMP them on the street???

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/The_cut_in_Medicaid_is_probably_gonna_kill_me_You_too

excon

Is that what you want?

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Trump can DO no wrong

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2 points

I think that's a pretty pathetic way to treat our elders. From a young age we should be taught not only to respect others but to respect our elders; they have lived longer and have more experience and it's quite valuable to learn from them. It's one thing to have a safety net, it's quite another to find out what you were counting on was going to be eaten away by the utterly insane cost of medical bills and medicines, both expected and unexpected. You can always hold things aside but you can't always know how much you need or what surprises are in store. I think one of the saddest things in our society is how we treat those who have lived life and are at an advanced age. Tossed aside as if they are a problem no one wants to deal with. If we all chipped in it wouldn't take much to help support those who need it. But no, some people would whine about that 'maybe' taking out their second bottle of wine for the week and how women should be forced to give birth but screw the elderly who can be just as helpless as a child.

They don't always have someone they can live with, they don't always have the ability to live a life on their own and good God the cost of living in an elderly care facility that is actually GOOD is more than most can afford, tacking on medical bills very few who are middle class will ever be able to afford it.

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2 points

It is and you're right , It's actually shameful a country that spends trillions on armaments and the way it treats its elderly is appaling , you hear about America being the land of the free etc,etc, it's all bullshit ; I've heard so called Christians on here absolutely losing it at the thought of some poor devil getting free medical care , " not on my dime buddy " .

It's truly despicable really what defines a great nation is the way it treats its young , elderly and vulnerable .

No country is perfect but getting old in the US would terrify me , here is what I said to Excon ,

America seems to be no country for old people , while my country is not utopia me and my wife are guaranteed state pensions when we reach that stage like the majority of citizens in this country and that's on top of any other pension one has , everyone gets this including the rich .

One gets free travel and reduced fuel bills and a free TV license on reaching pension age

Citizens also get children's allowances for each child under 18 it's a 140 a month each child .

I've never paid into any medical plan I refuse too , my wife does and it costs a lot I've used state services which are free and it's not perfect but it works .

I work now as a full time artist and I'm entitled to tax free status up to 90,000 euro that's a break to encourage artists to do what there best at .

The country like most is not perfect but I would hate to have to pay for these things we see as rights .

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FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

If you take all the families who COULD SUPPORT THEIR PARENTS, but choose to allow the tax payers to do it, we would have very few people begging for charity!

This is how it works, when our nation was not going bankrupt, and famiies understood they would have to help their parents out when they got older, people planned for these inevitable situations.

Along came closet Socialist Democrats who needed to get Americans hooked on Government dependence rather than family dependence.

Now families look for ways to have government support their parents in old age homes, by transfering their parents savings into their own accounts (a few years before needing an old age home) and thereby putting all the burden on tax payers to support the parents.

You know this is true but as good little closet socialists, you like having others support those YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. This way you can keep your parents savings for yourself.

I will make a deal with you. I will support every old person who has no children to rely on, if you agree not to use tax payer money for all those old people who do have families to support them.

I'm not talking about catastophic illness that might cost much more than a family can afford. I'm talking about families taking their parents in their homes rather than expecting tax payer funded old age homes.

Government AS ALWAYS does a terrible job of keeping a budget and keeping costs down. Our nation is going bankrupt case you missed it. We can no longer afford giving everyone the free life.

Many many people are basically selfish and will allow others to bare the burden of the old people rather than they themselves helping their parents.

The problem with Progressives is that they want Government to be the ones supporting everybody. IT CAN NOT WORK! WE ARE GOING BANKRUPT! ALL THOSE OTHER SOCIALIST NATIONS ARE GOING BANKRUPT AS WELL!

You call Conservatives uncaring people when the facts are that Conservtives are the truly compassionate people who would glady support their parents. The sick problem with the Left is that they have taken so much of our income to pay for all their bankrupt social programs, that families have a hard time saving money to support their parents.

It's a viscious cycle.

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Grenache(6053) Disputed
2 points

It's a myth that Republicans/Conservatives take care of their aging parents themselves and Democrats/Liberals would rather the state do it.

https://www.agingcare.com/discussions/democrat-versus-republican-views-on-nursing-homes-163637.htm

Both polar opposites have some doing it themselves and some accepting services.

But tells us, FromWithin, how many of you or your wife's parents live with you? My impression is you're old enough to have parents in need of care. Pony up. Who are you funding and taking care of at home?

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Mint_tea(4641) Disputed
1 point

If you take all the families who COULD SUPPORT THEIR PARENTS, but choose to allow the tax payers to do it, we would have very few people begging for charity!

You are assuming those elderly have family who are still alive, you are assuming they have a close family connection, you are assuming their family is even good to their elders, and you are assuming they even CAN support them.

But who cares about that right? That must not exist because you don't have that issue and by God you don't care what happens after the womb.

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outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

Mint i have to say those on the Left have a real short memory.

At one point in the town hall, broadcast from the East Room by ABC news, a woman named Jane Sturm told the story of her 105-year-old mother, who, at 100, was told by an arrhythmia specialist that she was too old for a pacemaker. She ended up getting a second option, and the operation, for which Ms. Sturm credits her survival. "Look, the first thing for all of us to understand that is we actually have some -- some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care," Mr. Obama replied. After discussing ways "we as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves," he continued that in general "at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

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Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
1 point

Good for her that she was able to get a pacemaker, I can understand a doctor being nervous about it, but she went forward and got one and was able to live longer. That's fantastic. But what does that have to do with what I've said?

Side: Is that what you want?

Explain the logic here to us con.

A person has several kids. They bleed the system dry all of their life. They never provide a service. They never put money into the system. They took from the rest of us and never worked all of their life. Why does the system owe them cancer treatment if they get cancer at age 82?

Would I do something if I had màgic powers to save them? Sure. But why should the system that they were a parasite of?

Now you as a veteran is a different issue all together, but you didn't come at this debate from that angle.

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excon(18261) Disputed
4 points

Hello bront:

It's not about ME.. It's about the MILLIONS of people who will be DUMPED on the streets if you have your way.. Should they have worked harder? Should they have saved better? Should they have been born wealthy?

I dunno, and I don't care.. I support a SAFETY NET who'll catch those people, and stop them from DYING ON THE STREET, NO MATTER what the reason for their plight..

Side: Trump can DO no wrong
2 points

Should they have worked harder? Should they have saved better

Yes. But it's not that simple. Socialist countries and welfare states can't sustain their systems. They are in financial straights. That's just reality.

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excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

Hello again, bront:

Here's where I question your math skills... Unless you have a MILLION $$'s and you might, you'll wind up BROKE.. You'll wind up depending on your fellowman.. That's the state of affairs for MOST people in this country, including LOTS of Republicans.. MOST people didn't save enough.. MOST people should have had better jobs.. MOST people should have been smarter.. Should they be PUNISHED for it??

WITHOUT Medicaid, MOST people will wind up ON THE STREETS.. Apparently you don't know that..

excon

Side: Is that what you want?

Before we had the radical Left buying votes with tax payer money, families used to take care of family.

What a novel idea!

Idiot Liberals like Hillary Clinton came along and made statements like...."it's takes a village to raise a child".

NO, IT TAKES A MOTHER AND FATHER WHO WON'T ABANDOM THEM!

Progressives came along, and decided that resdistributing one man's wages to another, would buy votes. They used the rationale that it was compassionate to care for the irresponsible.

People might actually have some respect for a person that was truly compassionate, but Progressives support no restriction abortions of viable babies for any reason up to birth, so therefore they have no true compassion for even our most innocent!

IT'S ALL POLITICS! It's called ushering in Socialism by getting the people dependent on Big Government.

Obama did a bang up job of adding millions of people to food stamps even though he claimed our economy was doing just fine.

Side: Is that what you want?
1 point

Well, you have to keep in mind Brontoraptor is a wealthy internet entrepreneur legless Cherokee living on a reservation town in Oklahoma. Whether or not that's part of THE 1 percent it's definitely part of a 1 percent of SOMETHING, which can explain his divergent views sometimes. He just isn't from the same world as the rest of us commoners.

The other thing is he probably really really likes the idea of any of us having to beg.

Side: Is that what you want?

If you take all the families who COULD SUPPORT THEIR PARENTS, but choose to allow the tax payers to do it, we would have very few people begging for charity!

This is how it works, when our nation was not going bankrupt, and famiies understood they would have to help their parents out when they got older, people planned for these inevitable situations.

Along came closet Socialist Democrats who needed to get Americans hooked on Government dependence rather than family dependence.

Now families look for ways to have government support their parents in old age homes, by transfering their parents savings into their own accounts (a few years before needing an old age home) and thereby putting all the burden on tax payers to support the parents.

You know this is true but as good little closet socialists, you like having others support those YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTING. This way you can keep your parents savings for yourself.

I will make a deal with you. I will support every old person who has no children to rely on, if you agree not to use tax payer money for all those old people who do have families to support them.

I'm not talking about catastophic illness that might cost much more than a family can afford. I'm talking about families taking their parents in their homes rather than expecting tax payer funded old age homes.

Government AS ALWAYS does a terrible job of keeping a budget and keeping costs down. Our nation is going bankrupt case you missed it. We can no longer afford giving everyone the free life.

Many many people are basically selfish and will allow others to bare the burden of the old people rather than they themselves helping their parents.

The problem with Progressives is that they want Government to be the ones supporting everybody. IT CAN NOT WORK! WE ARE GOING BANKRUPT! ALL THOSE OTHER SOCIALIST NATIONS ARE GOING BANKRUPT AS WELL!

You call Conservatives uncaring people when the facts are that Conservtives are the truly compassionate people who would glady support their parents. The sick problem with the Left is that they have taken so much of our income to pay for all their bankrupt social programs, that families have a hard time saving money to support their parents.

It's a viscious cycle.

Side: Is that what you want?

1)Why should someone else be forced to pay any of your bills against their will?

2)99.99% of people in human history did not have what you have, much less what you demand.

3)People ARE willing to help you with the costs, so you are being a drama queen.

4)If you refuse to be proactive on the issue, no one is obligated to help someone that never speaks up or asks for help, which would be on you. I know liberals think money and services should instantly fall from the sky, but they don't. You might have to actually act to get what you want or need.

5)Is that hardcore? Yes. Life is hardcore. Life isn't fair, and life isn't easy. Sometimes you have to man up and go get the goodies yourself.

Side: Trump can DO no wrong
2 points

FRAUD you a 74 year old business owner that is an Atheist Jew from Seattle. Now why are you going to run out of money at your age of 74 ? Government benefits plus your Military benefits are all going to dry up ? ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Trump can DO no wrong
1 point

Hello poochy boy:

Yes, I am at 74 year old atheist Jew business owner living in Seattle. And you're my little poochy boy. Now go get this stick.

excon

Side: Trump can DO no wrong
outlaw60(15368) Clarified
1 point

FRAUD you are going to die from old age when you run out of money now that is just too hilarious. Get back in the basement BOY !

Side: Is that what you want?
2 points

Now FRAUD you need to read if you can.

At one point in the town hall, broadcast from the East Room by ABC news, a woman named Jane Sturm told the story of her 105-year-old mother, who, at 100, was told by an arrhythmia specialist that she was too old for a pacemaker. She ended up getting a second option, and the operation, for which Ms. Sturm credits her survival. "Look, the first thing for all of us to understand that is we actually have some -- some choices to make about how we want to deal with our own end-of-life care," Mr. Obama replied. After discussing ways "we as a culture and as a society [can start] to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves," he continued that in general "at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn't going to help. Maybe you're better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller."

Can you believe a DUMMY senator from Chicago knew so much about the health of a people's ? Amazing isn't it

Side: Trump can DO no wrong
1 point

People must learn and/or be taught from an early age to recognise the necessity to make provision for all contingencies including sickness and old age during their wage earning years.

Yes, there should be a benefits safety net for the vulnerable and those who have temporarily fallen on hard times.

But, too many people spend their money on booze, vacations and a lavish lifestyle.

When old age catches up with them, as it will for all of us who are sufficiently lucky, and their lifestyle has left them broke, they bellow, hey, ''Mister Hardworking Taxpayer'', you must provide for me as I blew all my dosh on wine, women and song when I was younger.

Why do these pathetic parasites feel that the world owes them a living?

Side: Trump can DO no wrong

Excon: the Native American socialized system is evil, but the rest of the country needs it too... Apparently a socialized system is good if you are a liberal, but if you are a conservative Native American, you should give the tribe back the benefits or reject them. What a joke.

Side: Trump can DO no wrong