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Bronto's ancestors are turning in their grave

He risked his life and got his legs blown off for the very nation that murdered so many of his people and indoctrinated them with filthy christianity. How does it feel to have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that you don't even know your ancestors beliefs or culture? If you did, and you honestly compared them and understood them, then you would feel totally robbed. You put your legs on the line for the ones polluting your ancestors beautiful land, who murdered them and forced them to conform to their sick diseased culture.

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Actually it wasn't my party that took Native American Lands. Jackson was a Democrat. That's what the Democrat Party does. Steal.

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Oh bronto, why must you be such a partisan cretin hack whackadoodle dickface cock sucking shenanegans banana pickling moonshiner jar of alchoholically brain-addled stupidity? The AMERICAN left is not very different from the AMERICAN right, they are both right wing for the most part.

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Yes. Being anti Christian, being anti cop, being anti military, raising taxes, opposing capitalism, safe spaces, 455 gender pronouns, gay marriage, cry sessions, hug therapy, scream at the sky sessions, therapy dogs, open borders, and sanctuary cities are very right wing...

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“American Indians serve in the US Military in greater numbers than any ethnic group and have since the Revolution”.

Why don’t you explain their heritage so that we can all know how they all fucked up all along the way. What do you understand about them that none of them did?

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7417854

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We are all one human race, and you need to have m,ore respect.

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How does it feel to have been so thoroughly indoctrinated that you don't even know your ancestors beliefs or culture?

Pretty presumptuous. Why don’t you explain to him, and all the countless native veterans, what they have forgotten. I’m curious what bullshit stereotypes you think will pass as knowledge of other people’s heritage.

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BlueWaffle(6) Disputed
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@Amarel

Brobto's ancestors where animists and he is a christian, bonrot's ancestors respected nature and he respects the US government and the US dollar. In other words white people came here, murdered his ancestors, stole and defiled their land, and then brainwashed him and countless others to follow the same culture that destroyed everything for them. Native American culture was primitive and some of them where barbaric, but they where entirely obsessed with the ecosystem and their place in it. Western culture on the other hand, is entirely parasitic and is based on manipulating and using nature rather than understanding you are part of it.

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Bronto's ancestors were animists and he is a christian, bonrot's ancestors respected nature

Cherokees believed in "The Great Spirit", and I respect nature.

Interestingly enough, your ancestors were most likely Christians and definitely religious, and you are not.

and he respects the US government and the US dollar.

I respect basic monetary reward for work and the rule of law.

In other words white people came here, murdered his ancestors, stole and defiled their land

But not Republican white people. They were Democrats. And if you want to get specific, it was taken by people of British dna. The Mexico tribes were taken by those with Spanish dna.

and then brainwashed him and countless others to follow the same culture that destroyed everything for them.

Actually my father was Christian by choice, well after the Trail of Tears, and his father wasn't Christian but spiritual, so he, my father, passed it down by his own free will.

Native American culture was primitive and some of them were barbaric

Yes. Native battles for territory were brutal.

but they were entirely obsessed with the ecosystem and their place in it

Indeed.

Western culture on the other hand, is entirely parasitic and is based on manipulating and using nature rather than understanding you are part of it.

Conjecture. This ranks up there with "all Muslims are terrorists". Most Americans cannot agree to what our culture even is because it has hundreds of subcultures.

Supporting Evidence: Cherokee beliefs (en.m.wikipedia.org)
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Amarel(5669) Disputed
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That’s along the lines of the stereotyping I was expecting and you didn’t disappoint.

The various tribes of the Americas had various cultures, all of which warred with each other. Tribes conquered tribes. Stronger, tribes conquered weaker tribes, sometimes absorbing them, sometimes irradiating them. The arrival of larger, militarily advanced tribes of white men brought people who happened to be better at this game than the local native populations. Helped of course by the diseases the white tribes were immune to, which killed the greater share of Indians. None of this is to say that Natives or anyone else deserves to be conquered, only that they were not the victims of conquest. They were participants and they lost.

Concerned as natives were with their environment, they eradicated every large prehistoric mammal except for the prolific buffalo. This is because, just like everyone, natives were mostly concerned with survival. Before the arrival of the European horse, it was common to run whole herds of Buffalo off cliffs, far more than could be used. They did this out of self-interest above conservation.

There’s a reason that a larger proportion of American Indians join the US Military than any other ethic group. It may be because they have a warrior heritage and are proud to fight for common cause with other warriors of the now dominant culture. Perhaps it’s out of self interested economic reasons. Perhaps there’s as many culturally appropriate and proud reasons as there are tribes. Whatever the reason, it isn’t because they’ve all forsaken the roots that you believe they should have.

It takes a special kind of arrogance to tell a person about their own heritage. If Bronto did lose his legs in the military, then your arrogance is compounded 10 fold. You’re telling a wounded vet that he put his life on the line for the wrong cause based on wrong beliefs about a history and heritage that is his, not yours. No rebuke is strong enough for this kind of shameful display. Go fuck yourself.

PS. Everyone’s ancestors were animists.

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