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Buy Illegal download
Debate Score:69
Arguments:56
Total Votes:71
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Buy or illegal download?

When talking about music, movies and stuff you buy or download online, what do you prefer?

In your argument I want you to consider the quality of the music you buy compared to illegal downloads.

Is the quality of buyed music worth the money? Or would you rather listen to something with less quality but free?

I use the itunes library and over 50% of my music on there is buyed from iTunes. The rest is from cd's I own.

I never download stuff, one reason is because I want to avoid virus - the other reason it that I hate the sound of low quality music. I know that when I buy it, I get the best I can get.

But what do you do?

Buy

Side Score: 33
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Illegal download

Side Score: 36
1 point

Buy. I'm fortunate enough that I've reached a point in life where I don't have to steal to get what I want.

Side: Buy
2 points

How is it stealing? So, in the 80's when someone recorded something on the tape recorder, was that stealing or when someone records an movie on a VHS tape in the 90's, is that stealing?

It is a just the free market allowing free flowing information and sharing into a new light.

Movie and music studios survived the pirating of tape recorders and VHS recorders.

Side: Illegal download
_deleted0_(850) Disputed
1 point

So, in the 80's when someone recorded something on the tape recorder, was that stealing or when someone records an movie on a VHS tape in the 90's, is that stealing?

that is stealing to.

What I meant by illegal download, I meant illegal copy. A record of a music is also considered illegal if you didn't pay for it.

Side: Buy
1 point

The quality back then wasn't even close to the same.

So... If you make a great song you aren't allowed any profit from it because everything on the internet is free?

Side: Illegal download
nummi(1432) Disputed
1 point

Downloading is not stealing. Neither does anyone lose money by it (if they couldn't download you think they would definitely buy it?). Making a new copy is simple - click copy, then paste, and there you have it. Truth is it all begins with one that is copied over and over.

How can it be stealing if there is no harm caused by it?

Side: Illegal download
Hellno(17753) Disputed
2 points

Downloading is not stealing.

Downloading for free when the artist didn't authorize the free download is stealing.

Neither does anyone lose money by it

Uhhh... the artist and the legit downloading sites do lose money.

(if they couldn't download you think they would definitely buy it?)

What? That doesn't even make any sense? Many people believe in an artist so much that they will pay for a download without even hearing the new music... not me, but many. Ever heard of the radio??? You hear a song you like on the radio and you go and pay for the download. Plus the legit downloading sites such as iTunes, lets you sample before you pay the very small amount for the download.

How can it be stealing if there is no harm caused by it?

Ridiculous! Are you suggesting that a song doesn't have monetary value in the same way something physical does??? Well, in that case I'm going to open a coffee house next week and call it Starbucks... but not give Starbucks a dime. I'm sure they won't mind.

Side: Buy
2 points

Downloading is not stealing. Neither does anyone lose money by it

Really? So when the musicians who spent lots of time acquiring their musical skills plus the recording time and studio money aren't loosing anything when someone just downloads there product for free?

if they couldn't download you think they would definitely buy it?

What, you think the only way people get music is by stealing it? Ever hear of the radio?

How can it be stealing if there is no harm caused by it?

Some jerkoff is cheating musicians out of their money, how is that not harm?

Side: Buy
1 point

The only media I actually buy are videogames because the service actually trumps the trouble of pirating them.

Side: Buy
nummi(1432) Clarified
1 point

Most games tend to have those DRM things that make it a pain for actual buyers. But pirates have it easy - download, install, copy-paste and overwrite the right files and you can play without any further fussing.

Since piracy won't change then might as well remove those DRM and similar "protections" from games as games can be obtained as free anyway, yet very many people buy them instead and companies aren't bankrupt.

But Steam... That's a good service... And they have free games, and more are coming.

Side: Buy

To be fair, piracy of games is quite tough. Simply because, to amateurs, a lot of the steps required are off putting. Cracking, mounting, etc. Some games (5th gen pokemon springs to mind) now have anti piracy measures to the point where I actually had to fracking manually hack the game). Even I can't be bothered with it most of the time (although I still do it).

Side: Buy
1 point

I like to buy albums and movies whenever I can. And I never pirate videogames. Just feels weird, I guess.

Side: Buy
1 point

I'm such a snob, I don't do either. When I want to listen to music, I record an album. When I want to see a movie, I make it myself. And since I'm the only good actor on the planet, I play every role. Well, any girl I'm dating at the time can co-star in the sex scenes, but that's it!!!

Side: Buy

I do not agree with stealing and cheating and all sorts of illegal stuff

Side: Buy

BY all means, you can also go to youtube and just hear the song you want to hear.

Side: Buy
1 point

You are a GENIUS!!!! why didn't anybody figure that out before?!?!?!?!?!

Side: Buy

Whenever someone pays for download, it is not illegal. It is always better to have peace of mind.

Side: Buy

It is not illegal download, it is sharing on an different level, this is no different than the scare tactics the studios stirred up in the 80's with tape recorders and early 90's with VHS players.

Side: Illegal download
3 points

I wouldn't call it illegal, though I find youtube videos of the music I want and download those. I'm not going to pay for music, not because I'm a cheapskate, but because I don't like taking part in virtual transactions.

Anyway, the composers of the sort of music I enjoy tend to be dead, so I can't see anybody suing me.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

Yes, but you should pay for your music, any music that was written took awhile to write, not to mention the musicians effort to become skilled in music. Even if its a recording, the people who recorded had to work hard to become skilled in music, learn the song and record it.

Side: Buy
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Usually the profits are more than enough to pay everyone involved, and typically good artists prefer for their songs to be downloaded for free rather than have a distribution system take most of their profit in a world where they are increasingly unnecessary but still want rights to someone elses work despite it.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

Watching videos on youtube isn't illegal.

But downloading music is, whether you call it that or not.

Side: Illegal download
2 points

Ever heard of FLAC format (music)? Lossless, high quality. When it comes to quality it doesn't matter if you buy them or download, it's all the same (someone has to first obtain it to make downloading possible). Downloading is free, if you leave aside the internet monthly fee.

If I buy something I want to get ALL OF IT. Not something lacking a view pieces. I've noticed that about music, in some regions they have more than in others.

Also, some download first to see if it is worth their money and if is they buy it. Honestly now, you need to know exactly what you buy. Would you willingly accept something you knew nothing about?

Then there are those who need money for other things first and then lack for music, or anything similar. Would you make their lives that much more miserable by not allowing music to them?

The only reason downloading them is considered illegal is because of money.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

Then there are those who need money for other things first and then lack for music, or anything similar. Would you make their lives that much more miserable by not allowing music to them?

If you can afford a computer, internet and music player you can afford to buy music. What about the musicians, you know, the guys who work their asses off to make the music, do they not deserve payment?

The only reason downloading them is considered illegal is because of money.

Do you have to bring your utopian ideology into every debate?

Side: Buy
nummi(1432) Disputed
1 point

If you can afford a computer, internet and music player you can afford to buy music.

Not necessarily. A computer is in present society a necessity and so is the internet (you could do without but not as well, you'd be behind in many things). Music player? If you have a computer you don't need that, you buy speakers that work with all audio (speakers vary from cheap to very expensive).

Do you have to bring your utopian ideology into every debate?

Really? I didn't bring it up here, neither would it be utopian, as there would still be issues, only far less than currently.

If there was no money, how could downloading them be considered illegal? The only reason why it is considered illegal is because the publishers and musicians are supposedly being harmed. But really they are not. You think all those people who download them would buy them instead if they couldn't download? It makes very little difference. In truth, downloading them is positive for musicians and publishers, as their music spreads to all kinds of people and everywhere, if they truly like it and have money to spare they will buy it. You think all people would buy just anything without knowing what it exactly is? Some actually have brains and want to try it out first to see if it is worth anything.

Downloading harms no one, literally.

Side: Illegal download
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

1. Library, free access if your a student at university, most of your friends will have access, etc.

2.

Money is unnecessary, the gift economy is emerging more every day.

Side: Illegal download
_deleted0_(850) Disputed
1 point

Ever heard of FLAC format (music)? Lossless, high quality. When it comes to quality it doesn't matter if you buy them or download, it's all the same (someone has to first obtain it to make downloading possible). Downloading is free, if you leave aside the internet monthly fee.

I tried several music pirates. The only thing I got was a broken computer. I will rather pay 10 dollars$, than 1000$ for a new computer.

Also the music I buy on itunes can't be compared to the low quality music I've pirated.

Side: Buy
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

Then your not doing it right.

Try to look and see if any of the torrent files have been commented on anywhere.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

Well not entirely illegal, but from Utube, i just go on an mp3 converter..! Simple!

Side: Illegal download

I download almost all of my music for two reasons:

1: It's easier. Torrenting means that I can see a film trailer, or hear a song, and I can have it within 30 minutes. It's fast and easy, and good quality, and there is no legal way of having unrestricted rights to most parts of media.

It was even estimated that were the large media companies of the world to create an online, relatively cheap, but fast and effective method of streaming films, music, and tv shows, or downloading even, they could make 7 billion USD a year. That's more than the 6 billion that they estimate to lose from pirating every year (an estimate that's largely viewed as unreliable). If media companies were serious about stopping piracy, they could largely reduce it. It appears they are not.

2: I don't have the money to buy music or films. I'm 17 and I have no job. If I don't download something, then I don't get it. The company loses nothing here. I'm happy to go to the cinema, or to buy a film, but these are far and few between, and largely due to me especially wanting to see something - a reward for such a good film, for example. While pirating is claimed to be a loss of potential buyers, I am not a potential buyer. The company makes no loss here, I simply benefit, therefore I feel it is a perfectly moral action.

Side: Illegal download

Meh. Most of my music is old as hell, and tends to come from artists who are fucking loaded anyway, so I don't care.

I only buy music in two cases. The first is if I just want a more complete experience. For example, I preordered the 2nd Law (Muse), because I want the whole sensation of unwrapping it, having something physical, and knowing I'm a part of it. It's not particularly rational, but I don't care.

The second is if it's an artist I feel needs the support. If I find some small, underground band making high quality music, then sure, I'll give them the money to continue it. And when they're big enough, they won't require my donations, so I'll download it.

PS: If you lost whole computers to do downloading music, you either have really bad security, or you're technologically inept.

Either way, that's no fault of piracy.

PPS: Another reason I download: I get to put "Pirate" on my CV ;)

Side: Illegal download
1 point

illegal downloads still have respects to legalized music. Copyrights do expire. When I download sherlock holmes novels from a pirate site, I look up when the copyright is invalid. Take this in perspective as not all people just download illegal stuff from pirate websites.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

Illegal download is good way for those who don't have an opportunity to buy lisense products, in other words for poor preople. As we know, price of CD or DVD disks of movies and games are increased day by day..Not all of us let theirselves to buy expensive legal products, since our salaries don't fit to their cost. I'd like to say that we have to buy legal production if we want, also we have rightes to share that with others - throught internet.

Side: Illegal download
woot903(2) Disputed
1 point

According to your reasoning, it would be legal for me to walk into a store and steal a television, if I am unable to buy the product legitimately because I am too poor (my income/salary is not high enough to afford buying the expensive product). This logic is ethically flawed and does not justify downloading music illegally.

Side: Buy

I will consider three basis on which to buy a CD instead of downloading it illegally: merit, entitlement and need.

In 1998 William Sethares wrote argueably the most important book on music theory written in human history. Microtonalist Ben Johnston worked ten years to produce a method for notating just intervals. Even in the context of music there is merit - especially academic - that is more worthy of your money than any corporation.

If someone provides you a service otherwise unattainable he is entitled to the payment of his choice. This however is not always the case, as the chance of getting caught downloading music illegaly is negligible and few collectors give value to a physical copy of the album. Unless this law can be enforced it is only a sign of misinformation, self-hatred or fear that one would act against ones own self-interest and - as I claim - the developement of music itself. On the other hand, if the need of the artists is a basis for your purchase I propose forming a charity to feed the starving musicians of the 21st century.

Buying a song on iTunes that is ultimately tied to your untradeable virtual account might show that your conscience has been manipulated for the purpose of profit.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

I sometimes download songs from the youtube converter and I download it because some of the songs on the album is probably not good so you would want one song instead of wasting money and all the other songs are trash.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

I vote illegal because, let's face it. Back when you bought Cd's, you loaned them to your friend and he downloaded them to whatever he/she was using anyway. The difference between uploading them to YouTube and downloading them, downloading a whole CD from a pirating website, and loaning your friend the Cd? None, either way somebody bought it and somebody didn't. There's just no form of knowing who uploaded it in the first place. Strangers sharing a common like

Side: Illegal download
1 point

It might be considered illegally downloading, but I go onto YouTube, find the song I want, and use a MP3 converter for getting music.

Side: Illegal download
1 point

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Side: Illegal download