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Yes. Here’s what they do. No. All business is Right wing
Debate Score:17
Arguments:20
Total Votes:18
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 Yes. Here’s what they do. (6)
 
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CD Leftists. Is there such a thing as a Leftist Business person?

Nom was offended at my defense of the concept of sales.
DW seems furious at the idea of working for pay.
Both are quick to tell us that all of the US is Right Wing. 
I have never seen a Leftist business person. If sales and wages are a problem, what do Leftists business people do? Or is all business activity enherently Right wing?

Yes. Here’s what they do.

Side Score: 7
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No. All business is Right wing

Side Score: 10

Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerburg...

Bill Gates donates a lot of money. Zuckerburg shadow bans conservatives on facebook.

So it looks like they range from philanthropy to tyrany.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

Sure. But what they are primarily engaged in is capitalistic, including charity as it isn’t forced. According to Leftists on this site, their capitalism may preclude them from the left.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
3 points

I actually think Gates is a Conservative who's smart enough to deny it in a climate where libs try to destroy anything and anyone that isn't them...

Zuckerburg? He's the biggest bullshit artist hypocrite on planet Earth...

Side: No. All business is Right wing
1 point

Any Business owner who votes Democrat is what?

Lol?

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

I don’t know if you are sufficiently leftist. The two mentioned both claim there aren’t any on the left in the us.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
1 point

Hello A:

What am I??? Chopped liver?? I run a business..

But, I'm SUCH a bleeding heart lib, that I encourage my employees to show up late, relax a little bit before going to work, and if the work is too hard, they can just sit down.. If my customers complain, I send them down the street..

I don't make money, of course, but I'm not in it to make money.. I just wanna spread the love.. Yes, my children are on welfare, but so what?? It's FREE money, isn't it?

excon

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
2 points

What am I??? Chopped liver??

Depends if the left thinks you are disposable or not...

I run a business..

Oh no. The worst of all possible humans to the Marxists...

Side: No. All business is Right wing
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

The Leftists here don't believe you are leftist. You claim to like capitalism, so I think it may preclude you .

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
excon(18261) Clarified
1 point

The Leftists here don't believe you are leftist. You claim to like capitalism, so I think it may preclude you .

Hello A:

It's true.. But, that's because the leftists here are communists and Marxists. They also happen to be rabid Jew haters.. So, it wouldn't matter WHAT I say, their hatred for Jews overrides any common sense they have - IF commies, Marxists and Jew haters HAVE any common sense..

Look... These fucking communists work for wages and think they're getting ripped off.. So, they STEAL. They don't RESPECT work. They don't UNDERSTAND risk, and they oughta move to Russia..

I'm a left winger who loves his country. I'm proud of BOTH.

excon

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
1 point

With ignorant, unsophisticated notions about money, trade, and just about everything related to economics, the CD Leftists cannot see the reason in this question. To them, there won't be business people, but there will be productive people, for some reason. That production will be done for free, for some reason and everything will be gained for free, just because. They don't understand people, but they presume to understand how to make people fit into alternative systems of people where people will act like robots rather than people. It's the wrong kind of question because they aren't right kind of people.

Side: No. All business is Right wing
2 points

There is no more ignorant and unsophisticated a notion than money. just about everything related to capitalist economics revolves around profit. the CD Leftists can see that reason is more valid than social constructs. To them, there won't be business people, but there will be productive people, because without business people and retarded people only productive people are left. That production will be done for the things it produces, and everyone will gain from the products of civilization , just because they aren't retarded. They don't understand social constructs or authority, but they presume to understand how to make people fit into alternative systems of people where people actually act like intelligent and civilized life forms rather than people. It's the wrong kind of question because the world is full of people who aren't right kind of people and few enlightened ones exist.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

There is no more ignorant and unsophisticated a notion than money.

The alternatives are simple barter and slavery.

just about everything related to capitalist economics revolves around profit.

That's right. Profit is measured in financial terms, and is often not viewed beyond that, but it means betterment. People easily choose to act to profit themselves, and less often choose to act for the profit of others. But if people are not acting for profit, what are they acting for? If they are required to act, and it is not for a chosen profit, it is slavery.

the CD Leftists can see that reason is more valid than social constructs.

The CD Capitalists can see the reason in free market economics. We have an entire social science whose findings always come out in favor of reason in the free market, socialist economic theories notwithstanding.

To them, there won't be business people, but there will be productive people

Business are productive for profit. What will be the incentive for people to produce if not for the gain and betterment of themselves and those they care about? "Reason" is not an incentive in itself, reason provides the incentive. So what will the incentive be? "He who is not retarded shall work for no profit" is not very convincing.

Side: No. All business is Right wing
Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

That production will be done for the things it produces, and everyone will gain from the products of civilization , just because they aren't retarded

And they all lived happily ever after . This Utopian society starts from where top down or bottom up ?

I see you firmly place yourself in the “enlightened “ group and everyone that disagrees with your is “retarded “ uncle Joe would have been proud of you

Side: No. All business is Right wing

There are leftist business people, there are even socialist and Marxist ones. As a far left Socialist Marxist RBE supporter I will say that I would own a business, but not because I think businesses should exist, because I live in a capitalist economy. The concept of business and capitalism arised from right wing societies, and even a left winger can call for a more regulated version of those things, but at the farthest ends of the left such things don't even exist. If you had a truly free market capitalist economy it wouldn't truly be a free society, because those with the most capital would serve as the government and capital would naturally be increasingly be concentrated in the hands of a few over time because simply having wealth makes it easier to get more wealth. Thus a croney capitalist system is the natural result of a free market.

Side: No. All business is Right wing
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

I would own a business... because I live in a capitalist economy.

In a free economy, what is to stop you from engaging others to participate in an RBE with you?

If you had a truly free market capitalist economy it wouldn't truly be a free society, because those with the most capital would serve as the government

It is the abundance of government involvement in the economy that gives the wealthy such power. If the government undertook free economic principles, they would not stifle upstart companies with regulations and licenses that only the large corporations can afford (and often push for). Purchasing power is not the same as legal power. Economic power is benign, often benevolent, when separated from the power of government. Only when government undertakes to meddle in the free economic associations of citizens do the wealthy become a force for oppression. Equality before the law is foundational to Capitalism.

capital would naturally be increasingly be concentrated in the hands of a few over time

Capital takes many forms, especially with modern technology. What keeps the few big companies thriving and growing is the product they offer. When they drop the ball and fail to serve their market the best, they fail to upstart competition. It still happens all the time. Younkers is gone.

The only way for a company to become too big to fail, is if the government takes anti-capitalist measures and bails them out. Bailouts (and other forms of government interference) are not the function or result of capitalism, they are the result of anti-liberty philosophical leftovers such as economic fascism and socialism within government and society.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.
Conservanazi(702) Clarified
2 points

In a free economy

Your assertion that capitalist economies are free is contrary to the most basic principles of capitalism. Inventors and entrepreneurs depend on securing financial investment before they can market new products, which proves the market is the precise opposite of free.

You abuse language like this all day long. You feed on fallacies and pre-existing bias to paint a false picture of reality and you do it entirely on purpose. Just because you're a shit.

Side: Yes. Here’s what they do.