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God Explosions
Debate Score:50
Arguments:41
Total Votes:60
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Calling all atheists: How can explosions lead to a universe of infinite complexity?

God

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Explosions

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1 point

But the universe isn't infinitely complex. It has finite size and finite complexity.

You'd better rethink your question bronto.

Side: God
xMathFanx(1748) Disputed
1 point

(A) You have no evidence that is Bronto

(B). We don't know if the Universe is finite or infinite

Side: Explosions
Spartacus Disputed
2 points

You have no evidence that is Bronto

And you have no evidence I am "Nom", you obnoxious, unintelligent hypocrite.

We don't know if the Universe is finite or infinite

Yes we do. You're just an idiot. How can the universe be expanding if it is infinite you silly nugget? The NASA WMAP mission mapped out the background cosmic radiation pattern for the entire universe, moron.

God, you annoy me. You're so stupid and yet simultaneously so arrogant.

Side: God
Amarel(4879) Clarified
1 point

It has finite size and finite complexity.

Not observably.

Side: God

It's just a theory like theology is a theory. It's one of many ways to explain the world around us.

Side: Explosions

Calling all god believers. Where did god come from? Like y’all out here criticizing a simple theory while you can’t explain where god came from yourself.

Side: Explosions
BiggieSmalls(24) Disputed
2 points

He didn't come from. He invented coming from anywhere. All things exist in abstract form and nothing does not exist. There is no was or will be to God. There just is.

Everything exists in one single collective consciousness, & God is just the highest conceivable & powerful being within that consciousness.

Side: God
OutlawsChimp(13) Disputed
1 point

I claim god as a theory just like any other theory. Why would you discount the theory of God?

Side: God

The Big Bang was when all the matter in the universe had collapsed to a singularity, a single point that presumably extended the laws of physics past the point of containment allowing for a relatively quick expansion, but this expansion and the resulting congealing of the gaseous expanse, created the expanse we call space, and the materiel in it we call stars and planets.

Side: Explosions
achilles_(51) Disputed
1 point

But I thought there was nothing before the Big Bang... So where did all the matter come from? Or was it there, but space didn't exist? I'm just asking.

Side: God
1 point

But I thought there was nothing before the Big Bang

No, there was stuff before the Big Bang. Both the show and the theorized creation of the universe.

Or was it there, but space didn't exist?

I can ask the same of God. I haven't read the Bible or the Torah or the Quran, so I'm clueless, but didn't God make everything? If so, how did God come to be? Was he born through the infinite birth canals of nothingness?

Side: Explosions
Quantumhead(733) Clarified
1 point

But I thought there was nothing before the Big Bang... So where did all the matter come from?

As I understand it the big bang may have been caused by a quantum singularity. Where, if anywhere, this proposed singularity came from, or whether it was always there, nobody knows.

Regards your second question, remember that energy and matter are two forms of the same thing, and the big bang itself, if it indeed happened, would have required an unfathomable amount of energy.

Side: God
1 point

The big bang is a theory that's been arrived at by looking at data. It's not some person with a fetish for explosions trying to supplant god. Using math and looking at CMBR, the fact that all observed galaxies are red shifted and by considering the trajectories of other galaxies, you can surmise that they all originated from a single point, that a ridiculous amount of energy was released, and that it happened nearly 14 billion years ago.

A good explanation that fits this information is that something akin to an explosion happened 14 billion years ago. Big bang. That's it. It's not a belief, it's a theory which has yet to be disproven, but can and likely will be disproven at any time. Atheists typically believe in this explanation over those involving a supreme creator, since such explanations inevitably rely on circular reasoning with a prerequisite belief

Side: Explosions
Amarel(4879) Clarified
1 point

What if it is the nature of light waves to elongate over distance? The light from galaxies would appear red shifted and the light from further galaxies would appear more red shifted, making it seem as though the cosmos is expanding at an accelerating rate. This could also provide an alternative explanation for the pioneer anomaly of the voyager space probes, which appear to accelerate as they move away.

Side: God
Nomoturtle(708) Clarified
1 point

Different ways to interpret the data? Sure, why not.

But then wouldn't we see all light as slightly red shifted, proportional to the distance it travelled? Even on our scale of size, such an effect would be detectable right? Detecting light from sources far away would have longer wavelengths than those from closer sources. This doesn't happen. I imagine that something like this would be particularly apparent to the extreme when a light based experiment was used to detect gravitational waves on a ridiculously small scale.

To interpret it that way it would have to be something unique to the space between the galaxies, or maybe the matter the light is reflecting/coming from in those galaxies.

Side: God
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Calling all atheists: How can explosions lead to a universe of infinite complexity?

If you are referring to the Big Bang (as I think you are)--then, it was by no means an 'explosion' in any typical sense of the word (or at all, really)

Side: Explosions
BiggieSmalls(24) Disputed
4 points

Then what was it math fan?.............................................

Side: God
CateyedRabbi(2) Clarified
2 points

@xMathFanx

If you are referring to the Big Bang (as I think you are)--then, it was by no means an 'explosion' in any typical sense of the word (or at all, really)

I agree, it was actually more of a resonant emanation of the word of God. Word is a metaphor for "vibration" in the Torah, this is what creates the waves and particle oscillations.

Side: God
cruzaders(341) Disputed
2 points

What troubles me is what exactly exploded if there wasnt anything there to begin with .

Side: God