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 Can Anyone Give a Shred of Credible Evidence for *any* God? (49)

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Can Anyone Give a Shred of Credible Evidence for *any* God?

I've heard all of the big apologists, and all of their big arguments, and every one of them is flawed rather considerably, and demonstrably so.  Nobody has ever, of course, produced any empirical evidence.  Science simply cannot be used to show evidence of a god, if that god exists outside of its realm.  Personal experience cannot qualify for evidence, unless it's your own experience, so it means nothing to anybody else, objectively.

What's left?  Is there anything?  I'm not asking for proof of a god - proofs are mathematical - but is there even the least reasonable evidence?
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Personal experience cannot qualify for evidence, unless it's your own experience, so it means nothing to anybody else, objectively.

If you had a personal, non-reproducible experience that made you believe in God (and you do not know yourself to have psychological issues), the fact that it does not qualify as evidence to others would not make you unreasonable for believing it. Other people demanding evidence would not bother you, nor would your inability to produce any evidence dissuade you from your belief, since it is based on your experience.

Thus, the only evidence to be had is subjective in nature and cannot be transmitted from one person to another. If you have that kind of evidence, it’s yours alone.

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If you had a personal, non-reproducible experience that made you believe in God (and you do not know yourself to have psychological issues), the fact that it does not qualify as evidence to others would not make you unreasonable for believing it.

People who have "psychological issues" are usually the last people to find out about it. They can't compare the way their brain works with anybody else's directly.

The fact is that if someone claimed they had an experience with Elvis or Napoleon you would want them put in a psychiatric ward, but if their experience is with a magical all-powerful deity which nobody has any proof even exists, you believe that to be perfectly fine and dandy.

I ask you then, is it not possible that you yourself have "psychological issues"?

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I ask you then, is it not possible that you yourself have "psychological issues"?

You believe nothing magically manifested reality, can't even accept that Cologne was the victim of a mass Muslim sexual assault, rely on a man from the 1800s who never labored for expertise on labor, and are using several accounts on this debate to...debate yourself apparently. I ask you then, is it not possible that you yourself have "psychological issues"?

Amarel(3619) Disputed
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People who have psychological issues are most often very aware of their diagnosis. It is not entirely uncommon for people who are otherwise mentally healthy and reasonable to have experiences that cause them to believe in God. I have never heard anyone characterize their experience as being with a magical all-powerful deity.

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Exactly. That is very much what I was stating - personal experiences are just that - personal.

Amarel(3619) Clarified
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Would you agree that, while it may not be reasonable to believe another’s experience, neither is it unreasonable to accept ones own experience?

lionard1122(74) Disputed
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this "personal, non-reproducible experience" is usually not something objective like hearing god speak to you or something, rather its usually a feeling or an unlikely event, and the small percentage that it is otherwise for probably are crazy since people from many different faiths claim to have this "personal, non-reproducible experience"s

Amarel(3619) Disputed
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I cannot speak for the anacdotal experiences of all the people I have never meant, and neither can you. “Usually” is unsupportable on your part.

I can speak for the people I have meant who have described the more profound experience and are not in any way crazy. They are distinct from those who have had profound experiences and are in fact crazy.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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The truth can be transmitted to those who are open to it. You, so far, are resistant to the truth though I have seen signs that you want it.

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A fool will not accept evidence .

LittleMisfit(1748) Clarified
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⇧ Case in point

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HAHAHAHAA Nice, that made me laugh.

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Try the King James Version..........................................................................

EldonG(550) Disputed
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I grew up on it. That's the version I've read cover-to-cover. Twice.

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Which translation?.................................................................................

Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)Syria is under siege, and Damascus is reduced to rubble.

A)This happened this deccade.

B)Damascus had to continue to exist. It did and has.

5)Israel is surrounded by its enemies and Jerusalem and Israel exist in the end.

At this time Jerusalem is slpit into 3 parts between 3 groups.

5)And all has to "be" at once.

And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time.

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

EldonG(550) Disputed
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Your suggestion is that it's more probable that there is a god - and I'll thoroughly disagree - but it sidesteps my request. In no way is it evidence.

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Sure it is. All of these things will be true in the end according to the Bible.

1)Israel exists.

2)Egypt exists still.

3)Syria exists.

4)Damascus exists and is reduced to rubble.

5)The beast system emerges. Islam literly claims to be the beast system, and no one knew this outside the Muslim world until the Internet and 9/11.

6)The gospel goes worldwide, and then begins a sharp decline into secularism.

7)Homosexuality becomes normal and accepted.

8)It is delicted as all manifesting rather rapidly.

God couldn't have handed it to you on a more silver platter.

TheSnake(1) Disputed
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What the hell are you jabbering about you mad porridge-eating idiot?

This thread asks for credible evidence of God. Since you clearly don't have any then please stfu.

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All of these things will be true in the end according to the Bible.

1)Israel exists.

2)Egypt exists still.

3)Syria exists.

4)Damascus exists and is reduced to rubble.

5)The beast system emerges. Islam literly claims to be the beast system, and no one knew this outside the Muslim world until the Internet and 9/11.

6)The gospel goes worldwide, and then begins a sharp decline into secularism.

7)Homosexuality becomes normal and accepted.

8)It is depicted as all manifesting rather rapidly in sequence.

God couldn't have handed it to you on a more silver platter Nomenclature.

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What the hell are you jabbering about you mad porridge-eating idiot

The topic at hand. What are you jabbering about you scared, suicidal, self hating chicken shit?

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You see lightning all the time. Hence Thor is real. And hey, Rangarok is a pretty fun movie. Go see it. Consider it going to church.

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LOL!

Seriously, you really made me laugh aloud...that was funny. It's also, I expect, exactly the kind of thing that convinced primitive man.

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Actually it's a fundamental exercise in probability. The question here is? "What are the odds"?

The stage is described for one exact scene for one specific point in time by the Bible.

1)The Gospel goes worldwide. "Then the end will come".

This was happening all of my life, and the Internet came into being as well.

2)Atheism takes hold in mass.

This one is rather obvious. Christianity in the West is in decline. Atheism is on the rise.

3)The beast system emerges.

Islam literally claims to be the beast system of the book of Revelation. And almost no one knew this until the Internet and 9/11 happened, causing mass enquiry into the religion. If the Antichrist of the Bible arrived today, 2 billion Muslims would follow him as their Mahdi. Chopping off heads, genociding Christians, using force and deception to spread the religion worldwide and displace the infidel, etc.

4)And all at once.

And...it even gives you the condition of the world at this point in time

And that's just a snippet of why and what any educated Christian has rolling through their mind on any given day. And there's way more than that.

https://www.facebook.com/The-Beast-is-Strong-in-This-One-273041423117102/

lionard1122(74) Disputed
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first of all if the bible really says this things i would like you to give exact quotes

1. "personal, non-reproducible experience", nope... it is at about the same popularity level for awhile now

"Then the end will come", the internet is the end...? of what?! the meme free world?

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"Atheism takes hold in mass.",most of americqa is still christian... in the rest of the world its even worse

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"The beast system emerges.", i doubt islam fits this description very well... and even if it does they had simailar religions back than and even beforehand

What's left?  Is there anything?  I'm not asking for proof of a god - proofs are mathematical - but is there even the least reasonable evidence?

https://youtu.be/bp4NkItgf0E

EldonG(550) Clarified
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That, I do find fascinating. It's not actual evidence of a god, but things like superstring theory, etc, do mean that we have a lot more to learn. Frankly, I don't have much of an understanding of any of the theoretical physics on that level. It truly gets crazy.

lionard1122(74) Disputed
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if anything, its more of a proof of "the matrix" so to speak, the idea that we are living inside a virtual reality: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0KHiiTtt4w

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So how do you think you got in said "matrix"? Who put you there?

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Absolutely.. John 1:1 The Word was with God and the WORD IS God.. Glyphs (Words) are what separate us from the animal kingdom.. It enables us to create and destroy..

Let's take a look at the Etymology of two opposing forces

Science and Religion. Science (Scindere) means to 'split apart' . Religion(Religare) means to 'bind'..

So one breaks down and the other repairs.. If God is everywhere he most certainly is contained within our DNA.. The double Helix - two entwined serpents relates to Aesclipius - The 'Messenger' - Something is relaying information TO your DNA to get your body to operate.. Something is breaking down (Splitting apart) and something is repairing (binding back together)

I'll elaborate...

If we blew an Atom up to the size of a Peacock then a cell would be over half a mile across!

There isn't a place you could stand inside that cell without getting ripped apart thousands of times a second.. Proteins and other chemicals - some the size of basketballs - others the size of cars whizzing around relaying information from the DNA.. The DNA is getting sliced apart - everything is getting destroyed (hence cells dying and regenerating) and made anew.. As mentioned above - "Religare" (Religion) means to "Bind back together" - something is healing those cells and all the stuff INSIDE each cell.. Crazy stuff!

If you observe a snowflake up above you see it frozen in what you'd call a Cymatic - a frequency of God that nature abides by - all the DNA.. All life.. God is so incredibly great that IT truly resides outside of space and time - The great Architect (The Puppet Master).. God is both within you and without. We are here to bear Witness to the Testament of Light THROUGH God.. What a paradox!

The core function of Gods energy is in the form of a Torus.. So when The Book says we live in Sin it meant SINE.. A circle moving linear - creates the Electromagnetic spectrum.. We're all living in SINE lol.. God runs the wavelength.. God hid in all the ancient texts.. Torus / Taurus the Bull/cow - all creation texts describe a Creation Cow hence the MILKy way Galaxy relates to MILK (got Milk?).. The portal you came out of was your mother's U-Taurus - every. Single. One. Of. You.. Spirit IS GOD.. GOD IS SPIRIT.. The Torus field (Double Helix =DNA).. The most hight exhibition beautiful algorithm that allows us the free will to either become closer to Spirit or to reject Spirit.. Free will! We all return after this whether we like it or not..

Not one of us can produce a leaf that can perform photosynthesis yet.. Not one..

One of Saturn's Moons spins the opposite way to the rest!

And Evolution should indicate that all the Gas giant plants be on the inside and the hard rocky planets on the outside...

I think that's God leaving a very bold statement..

EldonG(550) Clarified
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Not one of us can produce a leaf that can perform photosynthesis yet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_photosynthesis

Arguments about what 'we can't do yet' I always find humorous. That idea of god shrinks daily.

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Definition of "God" according to merriam-webster

"capitalized : the supreme or ultimate reality"

Definition of "ultimate reality" courtesy of Merriam-Webster

"something that is the supreme, final, and fundamental power in all reality ultimate reality in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is God"

That should do it.

Go to Africa -Ghana. Get two body guards. Get a hotel room and rest.

Message me the next and i'll you a number to call.

It will only take 5days.

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Everything is credible evidence of God. Fools will not accept it.

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Personal experience is necessary. What is science? Science means knowledge. For there to be knowledge, there must be knowing. For there to be knowing, there must be that which knows. To be that which knows is to be that which can discern. To discern is to discriminate. To discriminate is to distinguish. To distinguish is to perceive a difference in.

Ok now, using your personal experience, can you tell the difference between what is true and what is false? You have the knowledge of what true and false mean. You, as a human being on an innate level, no matter what language you speak, ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That is knowledge of good and evil. It is said that this is the downfall of man, that we took ourselves, gifted with knowledge, as being the rightful judges of what is good and evil.

There is only one righteous judge, and that righteous judge is The Supreme and Ultimate Reality.

Have you ever been wrong about anything? Of course you have. Have you ever been surprised? Have you ever guessed incorrectly? Have you ever thought what you were doing was right, only to later realize that it was crooked? This is YOUR SIN. No one is without sin, and whoever says otherwise is a liar!

These are all also experiential proofs that reality as we know it is not reality as it truly is. That being the case, reality as we know it can not be The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. The God I speak of is greater than knowledge. All of creation testifies that God is here. The evidence is all around you. Use the ear to hear and the eye to see. Look around, the evidence is overwhelming. Know what you are looking for, then see how it is greater. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality is The Greatest. Thank God we aren't the rightful judge of what is good and evil.

This is my God. The One True God. The Supreme and Ultimate Reality who through The Most Perfect Image guided by The Spirit of Truth one can realize the mystery of Salvation and The Perfect Oneness of God.

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Ok, so let me just say I generally think that there is no god in the traditional sense. That said, there is some stuff science cannot explain. Scientists are able to trace life all the way back to the formation of the first amino acid chains, however any knowledge beyond that is guesswork. Nobody truly knows how the universe was created, and I think that it is reasonable to assume some higher power was responsible for the 'big bang'. That being said, this does not mean that evolution happened. I would picture god as more of a clockmaker as opposed to an architect. He simply set in motion the process of life as opposed to creating all the forms himself.

Give me ten minutes with your spouse and they'll have met God in the flesh.