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Yes. But rarely! No. Never!
Debate Score:10
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Total Votes:10
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Can a man's contribution to society be so great that it forgives their crimes?

Yes. But rarely!

Side Score: 9
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No. Never!

Side Score: 1

This reminds me of the book "Crime & Punishment." By our standards the crime was a small one (stealing a loaf of bread) but it carried the death penalty in France! I would say that unless it were murder, a person can work and contribute to society in such a way as to forgive them their transgressions.

Side: Yes. But rarely!
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It would really depend on what he did. The only exception should be for murder, rape, and treason those are very serious and in my opinion are unforgivable.

Side: Yes. But rarely!
1 point

I'm sure there would be other crimes... like unnecessary torture. O_O

Side: Yes. But rarely!
2 points

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Someone's gonna eventually have to forgive someone~

...Except for child molesters. They can all go burn in hell.

Side: Yes. But rarely!
1 point

It doesnt really matter.. Whenever a person becomes famous it is the general air of the media and the public to try and highlight his bad qualities rather than his good ones.. People do everything possible in their power to try and bring him down... Look at michael jackson himself.. What is he remeberd for today ??? HIs hits,his tantrums ?.. but no one remeners his good qualities like he was a very doting and protecetive father.He was a good human being in the end .. But no one's gonna remeber all that are they ?? All people are gonna remeber is his plasticised skin,burnt hair,his attempts to be famous,his lawsuits,and whatnot..So no matter how big a amns contribution is i don't think that for even one moment someones is gonna forget his crimes,sins etc...common we are all humans arent we ?? sinning is a part of us.. If we were made perfect what would be the difference between u and christ ???So my conclusion is that no matter how big a persons contribution to the society is the public will always try to pull him down and show him in a bad light making it all the more difficult to forgive his crimes.. And even if a court forgives him there'll be processions protests and the usul propaganda....

Side: Yes. But rarely!
1 point

This is crap. To forgive someone for something is a "personal" thing. How can someone have to find the effort to forgive a kidnapper who kidnapped some random child 3,000 miles away when it, seriously, has nothing to do with the person personally? It's a sad thing that should've never happened, but I don't get it. Does society really feel that compelled to shove themselves into the feet of victims to act like they, them self, are the victim? Instead of even bothering to get into the criminal's shoes? Bottom line, to forgive someone is a personal thing, and it's NEVER a mandatory thing. In fact, in the suggestion of sexual abuse victims, they are suggested that forgiving their abuser is their choice, but not mandatory, nor necessary. What matters is the ability to MOVE ON and not let something bad ruin the rest of your life. Therefore, a man's contributions to society have nothing to do with the ability to forgive him for anything. A contributer is just one good aspect of him; His crime is just one bad aspect of him. "Can a man's contribution to society be so great that it forgives their crimes," is an outsider's perceptions. An actual victim of any single man's crime(s) wouldn't give a shit about his contributions.

Side: No. Never!
Avedomni(78) Disputed
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It seems clear that this thread is not about personal forgiveness from a victim, but rather about general forgiveness from society. A criminal has violated the social contract, and the question is whether or not that violation can be forgiven by the society upon which it was perpetrated. This is wholly different from the personal forgiveness of a victim, and neither implies the other. While society may forgive a crime, the victim is certainly free to reserve their personal forgiveness. Similarly, a victim forgiving a crime is not sufficient for society to do so.

Side: Yes. But rarely!