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You're spot on. Even if every hunter, farmer, sportsman, vigilante, boy scout, and good ol boy, all simultaneously rose up and attacked the US military they would fail to prevail. The only way they'd have a fighting chance would be if substantial segments of the military joined them. And the problem with that is neither the foot soldier composition of the military nor it's top brass have enough in common with your average white NRA fanatic to be willing to turn traitor and fight to the death about it to help them.
Your average white (really?) NRA fanatic does not want to fight the US military. If things were ever so bad that gun lovers did want to fight the government, a portion of the military (brass and enlisted) would agree (lots of gun nuts are in the military). They wouldn't join the citizen gun nut, they would lead it and the gun nut would join them.
What did you say Democrat 60% white is an average but it's not all white. Numbers don't make any sense nor does your reply. Confusion is the world of you Democrats.
You always ask for the obvious, but I made the obvious argument all over this thread..
Nonetheless, I'm here to please... You PRESUME that the uprising under discussion has something to do with the confiscation of guns.. And, that IF the government TRIED that, the military would REVOLT, and join the militia in making war on the US..
But, what if the right wing got pissed off at that government for OTHER reasons, like colluding with the Russians?? What if they didn't like that Trump ISN'T gonna build his wall?? What if they started killing suspected drug dealers, like his friend Dutarte is in the Philippines?? Would the military rise up against THOSE issues???
If the military wouldn't, and were ORDERED to put down the rebellion WITH Apache helicopters, WOULD the militia WIN??
What IF a left wing militia made war on the US based ON those issues, do you think left wing soldiers will join them?
I've heard right wingers CLAIM that there are NO left wing soldiers.. That's why the right wingers HERE accused me of LYING when they found out I fought in Vietnam..
You PRESUME that the uprising under discussion has something to do with the confiscation of guns
That's your presumption about my argument, not my actual argument.
My premise was that if things were ever so bad. That's a general statement. If things were ever so bad that gun owners were incentivised to organize against the government, military members would feel the same incentives.
When I asked for a more likely scenario, I was hoping for, at least, somewhat likely scenarios. Instead you present scenarios of popular uprising about current events, which are not likely to spark any real popular uprising.
What I presume is that if Apache Helicopters are attacking US citizens, not everyone in the military will be on board.
That's why the right wingers HERE accused me of LYING when they found out I fought in Vietnam..
Maybe they accused you of lying because you claimed to have fought in Vietnam but you also claimed to not have fought in Vietnam.
err. Then it means who ever leads them is not intelligent. and there is also not any other intelligent person on the team.
let anyone sponsor the show 1/4 of bill gate's networth.
I will finish off the U.S military and kill four heads of states in a day including trump the ultimate.
Ex. 9/11 after the incident, bush went to the scene with little or no security, there could have been a second bombing or a sniper waiting.
Ex. When there was a recent bombing in russia st.peterson's road, putin' went to the scence. There could have been another explosion upon his arrival with three snipers in disguise awaiting for more attempts.
One could distract the body guards by first shooting one. Then two focus on putin'.
When there is an explosion at the statue of liberty, i know there will several heads of states there.....easy easy finish off at a go with a second explotion and snipers.
American has a population over 300 million. If we decided the military had to be defeated, we could do it. We don't have to defeat their hardware. We only have to defeat those who use it. A knife, in a dark ally, will do that. Now they have a chopper without a pilot.
There is also a civilian weapon that can take out a light tank. That Apache wouldn't stand a chance.
Rofl You plan take out the super power of the world's top military leadership one by one with 'A knife, in a dark ally', that's really cute...
Like I suppose maybe you could get one if you got lucky and caught them off guard, but the next day he's replaced, meanwhile your little resistance is being hunted with the full weight of the american military till you and whoever was dumb enough to go along with you is either dead or in a cell for life.
'Now they have a chopper without a pilot' LOL Heard of military drone champ?
I believe, if the Army was ordered to fire on civilians, many of them would join us. I know that if they ordered me to do it, I would refuse. I'm sure most of them share my feelings about it.
They're armed with the arms allowed under the 2nd Amendment.. I, again, COULD have been clearer, but I was referring to the right wing myth that their pistols and hunting rifles are the ONLY thing keeping the Constitution in tact.. Or, something.. I'm not sure.. You can SEE that mentality at work RIGHT HERE, on these pages..
No, "an" (as in ONE) Apache Helicopter cannot defeat ISIS. Why do you ask?
EX VET arms are allowed under the Second Amendment you have some confusion with that. Pistols and Rifles are the ONLY thing keeping the Constitution in tact... Or something...I'm not sure. Yes i see the mentality of you Democrats.
No, the only mentality we see is the stupid fucking liberal argument. You don't need guns to protect yourself from the government because the government is so evil they will kill you any way.
No, "an" (as in ONE) Apache Helicopter cannot defeat ISIS. Why do you ask?
If an apache helicopter can't defeat citizens in a country that the pilots have not been sworn to protect, how the fuck would an apache helicopter defeat American citizens?
Don't get hung up on the digit "ONE".. I didn't bring it up. I have no idea WHY it was brought up..
Now, I could have been clearer still, in that I didn't mention the SIZE of the militia making war on the US.. But, leaving SIZE aside, my point was made by Grenache.. Even if EVERY armed right winger banned together into one militia, it couldn't defeat the USA.. It wouldn't come close.
You also forget that the vast majority of pilots aren't liberals. Those guns would turn on the government before they turned them on their own families...
Of course we can defeat an Apache. All we'd need is to create a big wind turbine. They'd go into the death spiral. Apaches aren't birds. Of course, option B would be to take them down with fighter jets flown by a military that has very few Liberals in it...