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Yes, Zeus can be God No, Only God is God.
Debate Score:13
Arguments:23
Total Votes:18
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 Yes, Zeus can be God (8)
 
 No, Only God is God. (2)

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Can anything be God when it is not God?

Ontological argument aside, it is absurd to imply a thing which is not God is God.  Only God can be God, there can be nothing else which can be God.  Now if a person says "which god are you talking about", that person is talking about created gods which are generally considered non-existent.  To imply they are the same as God is logically absurd, like implying a bachelor is married, or a circle is a square.  Created gods are not god, and to argue against them being God as if the fact that they are not God proves they are not God is to argue against your own consciously created straw man.   Of course it is not God, that whole line of reasoning is circular, it is presented as a red herring to avoid acknowledging God by discussing Him; it is much easier for an atheist to say things which are not God cannot be God than it is to say God is not God.   God is God, and nothing else can be God.   God is eternal and not created, trying to avoid talking about God by saying created things cannot be God is a non-starter.  Of course created things cannot be God, He is the Creator of all things, is not created, and was always there before he created anything.  Only God can be the Creator of all things.  Everybody knows this, though some insist is is not possible that God created all things....and then the question becomes, "why not?".  I have yet to see one rational argument against God, every one that I have seen insists a created thing cannot be the Creator of all things, a nonsensical argument.  What is the point of arguing that a created thing cannot be the Creator of all things?  Do we really need to figure that out?  Isn't in kind of silly to go on and on and on trying to explain why a created thing cannot be the Creator of all things?  It behooves a rational person to find out the truth of God, the truth of our own existence, the truth about pain and suffering and dying.  It is irrational to ignore God due to the fact that things we can imagine cannot be God who by definition exists outside of and before as well as after our imaginations became active.
Why don't we just say a rock cannot be a bird?...oh, wait a minute, I guess if we believe in evolution, then a rock, after a few billion years, can indeed be a bird..and it takes absolutely no faith to believe that of course.  So what do we believe?  Nothing?  We believe we came from nothing and go to nothing?  So why do you exist?  Do you exist only to try to get rid of God?  What happens if He is there when you are no longer here?  Do you think He might be displeased with you for trying to make Him stop being God?

Yes, Zeus can be God

Side Score: 11
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No, Only God is God.

Side Score: 2
2 points

Let me ask you a question.

About 3500 years ago, those that were Zoroastrians "knew" that Ahura Mazda was "the one" God.

Thousands of years ago people "knew" Zeus was God. One among many sure but still the main one

Around that time, others "knew" that Jupiter was God.

Every practitioner of religion believes that their God is God.

So how do you know that your God is the one God, when for thousands and thousands and thousands of years, other Gods have been "the" God?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Well, you would have to ask the Zorastrians if Ahura was Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Eternal, and Morally Perfect. If Ahura was not all of those things combined, then God would be greater than Mahura, and if Muhra is a real thing it is a thing that was created by God. If Ahura is in fact Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Eternal, and Morally Perfect then Muhura is God....thought somebody got a strange name for God somewhere and that is suspicious.

The same for Jupiter or anything else which people call God....is it qualified to be God? Can there be a greater being than the thing they are calling God?

There can only be one God. How do I know God of the Bible is God? For one thing, there is no other logically coherent explanation for life, death, pain and suffering, reality, than that which is revealed of God in the Bible.

For another thing, I realized I am a sinner, morally imperfect, and do not deserve to live and do in fact deserve the maximum penalty...and knowing that I realized it is imperative that I believe God died for me so that I don't have to suffer the maximum penalty, He took in on Himself on my behalf because He loves me, and He proved His power to pay in full for me and to forgive me of my debt to Him by rising bodily from the dead, conquering death willing and able to forgive all who He died for and that includes you.

Nothing I have said here is in any way practicing a religion. I am living in reality, faith is based on facts or it is wishful thinking. Religion is what people try to do to appease God hoping to escape the maximum penalty due for their wrong actions, words, and thoughts. Reality is that God loves you and has made the way for you to be completely and forever forgiven, freed from the penalty which is the natural consequence of sin, death....and that death is eternal separation from God...in this world the penalty is in pain and suffering, while under God's mercy. If you will not appreciate what God did for you by taking your pain and suffering on Himself and paying in full for your wrongs while you are under His mercy here, you will have to keep all your pain and suffering on yourself and the time of His mercy expires if you insist He did nothing or did not do enough for you when He died for you, and you will no longer have His mercy and your pain and suffering will never end.

It's time for you to realize that things which are not God do not compare to God, and you need to be sure of having God's mercy forever. You know God is the standard by which all things called "God" or "gods" must be compared to know if they are truly God who is greater than all and created all things.

I am aware that many Muslims sincerely believe Allah is God and they will blow themselves to smitherines thinking they serve God by killing people who will not convert to Islam. It is very easy to show the thing they call God is actually a pagan idol adopted by Muhammed when he wandered the desert with his band of thugs robbing caravans before he gathered enough strength to attack and conquer sleeping Mecca which had exiled him. It is very easy to show Muhammed was a liar and therefore cannot be a prophet of God, it is very easy to show the thing he called "Allah" is not God the creator of all things and is much more likely to be Satan in disguise who inspired Muhammed to start a religion which would ultimately usher in the most terrible war of all time.

It is easy to show that the "Christ" of Unity Church is not God. It is easy to show that Mother Nature or whatever Wiccans or witches dance for it not God.

God is reasonable and He reaches out to you and everybody else reasonably, and because He loves you He gives you the free will to not love Him, to not be reasonable with Him, to go your own way which He does not enjoy watching as he knows where you are going with it. Behind and between the words here He is pleading with you to hear Him. He is using me to try to reach out to you to draw you in to reason with Him...in reality. You cannot get out of punishment by being religious. You either die in reality, and that is forever, or you live in reality, and that is forever..one is natural by yourself, the other is supernatural and only God can do it for you.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

There can only be one God and as morally perfect He must desire that you know Him personally, He must care personally about you. God knows people generally want to go their own way and not listen to Him, so He found one man a long time ago who actually wanted to listen to God and chose that man to make His name known in the world. That man was Abraham. God made promises to Abraham and is keeping those promises for His own name's sake. Israel today is in rebellion against God but God is still keeping His promises, still protecting Israel (that is always the Jews, and at different times has been the land promised to Israel by God and in the future all of the Jews will know and serve God and the will completely possess the land promised to them. Israel is one of the main proofs that God is God and that He reveals Himself to mankind. God promised all the families of the Earth would be bless through the Jews, and that promise is fulfilled in Jesus Christ who came down from Heaven, the Son sent by the Father, in the form of a man, a Jew.

God wants us to know Him personally and has provided far more reasons why we should believe Him and know Him than are needed, yet He is always true to Himself and to His word so the proofs and evidences pile into the thousands of bits and pieces which all testify to the truth with no error or lie...because that's how God is. Through all the complications of human deceptions and darkness, God adds more and more reasons and proofs that He is keeping His promises and is worthy of all honor and praise for creating us and giving us freedom.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
2 points

Yours is a basic argument by definition, and the problem with that is many different people have many different definitions. And when you simply go back to your own definition and thump on it you really accomplish zero in persuading anyone with a different definition to agree with you. Your argument is going nowhere.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

take a hike, Grenade.......maybe a good walk will help you come to your senses.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Listen you wino fool, There can only be one God and he is not subject to varying opinions of who He is. He is above all and cannot be changed by your opinion. Anything less is not God, it is you who is trying to deny God is God and you are arguing against things which are not God saying they cannot be God...you're killing yourself, man...your going to wake up in Hell if you don't wake up and realize what a fool you have been.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

God is God, there is only one God, things that are not God cannot be God even if people say they are God. You know the meaning of the name of God, you know He is God who created all things, you hate Him and want Him to not rule over you, you want to be your own little dying god pretending to exonerate yourself in death. You're a fool.

God is God. You nor me nor anybody else defines God, He is God. As God He is morally perfect, Supreme, All Powerful, All Knowing, and All Present......those things make Him Supreme, there is nor can there be any person or thing above God and you know it. You want millions of little gods like your own wino imagination so you can say "gods are not God, therefore no god can be God", and you love your little straw men which you insist prove that God is not God as little gods like you obviously cannot be God.

It's so stupid, yet fools go on and on and on insisting there gods cannot be God and they are right......like a dog chasing it's own tail imagining it to be a separate animal. The gods you hold up are nothing but your own tail, and chasing them does not make God stop being God.

Why in the world do people who talk like you think that they actually sound intelligent?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
1 point

That's silly. Zeus is not God and can only be Zeus. Why do poople ask such silly questions? Is this what we pay taxes for, so kids can learn to talk silly?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
JatinNagpal(2678) Disputed Banned
2 points

That's silly. Yahweh is not God and can only be Yahweh. Why do poople ask such silly questions? Is this what we pay taxes for, so kids can learn to talk silly?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Thank you for your contribution. I'm sure it was not worth reading, so I didn't read it, but thanks anyways. I'm hoping people with more maturity than you will discuss the topic, kiddo.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Why don't you go find Bib's and tell him that he's on his way to Hell where you are going?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
1 point

YOU do not believe in Zeus, or Thor, or Neptune, or Mars, or Venus, or Sun RA! You reject a thousand "gods". Why should you object if someone else rejects a thousand and one? That ONE has never actually been SEEN any more than those others. It's a legend in your own mind. Face it!

You may ban me now and take away my freedom of speech AND religion. Bless you. ;-0

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

what is the one beyond the thousand that is being rejected? It's just another one of the same, all gods equal to each other and none of them God who created all things.

You're lying when you say you don't believe in God, you're only insisting created things cannot be God the Creator of all things, just spinning your wheels going around in circles while God laughs at you. ( I find you funny too)

This "I reject all 1000 gods, and I go one god farther" line of rhetoric is stupid. It's a a cop out in cowardice afraid to acknowledge that the only God you want to be free from is God who created all things and is not one of 1000 created gods.

Oh boo hoo, I"m taking away your freedom of speech and religion if I ban you? You can't go make your own debate and push your religion of naturalism in which you hope to be free of reality in death and forever exonerated?

Comeon, whining about being banned is for the babies here. You're a grown man.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Some people claim they have seen Zeus or Neptune and maybe they have. They are not God the creator of all things. There is a difference between gods which are created in reality by God and are things that are not God, and God who created all things.

There is a difference between God who created beings with the power of imagination so they can imagine things they call gods which may or may not be real, and gods which are created by God or by the imagination of things given power of imagination by God.

There can only be one God who created all things, and saying the Creator of all things is a created things is logically absurd, it's a cop out because there is no valid argument against God who created all things.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

a legend in my own mind is not bigger than my mind and does not exist outside of my mind and cannot be God who was there before my mind existed, who cannot be contained in or confined to anybody's mind because He exists independently of any thing or any body He created. If you will not acknowledge the eternal and maximal greatness of God, whatever you are arguing against is not God but rather a figment of your imagination, your own consciously created straw man which is a thing that is not God the creator of all things.

This is like talking to a brick wall with you. Just take a hike and try banging your head against your brick wall and see which is harder, the wall or your head.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
1 point

Well duh....how can anything that is not God be God? Is this really that hard to understand, or is it only hard to concede that God is greater than you?

Side: No, Only God is God.
JatinNagpal(2678) Disputed Banned
0 points

See? You always end up banning me, like the coward you are.

It's too easy to disagree with your nonsense.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Disputed
1 point

Whatever you said, I'm sure it was immature and disruptive so you're banned

Side: No, Only God is God.
JatinNagpal(2678) Disputed Banned
0 points

See? You always end up banning me, like the coward you are.

It's too easy to disagree with your nonsense.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

In case you missed it, you have repeatedly failed to show maturity and I'm tired of your games so I won't read your material. I'm sure that if you get saved, which I have repeatedly shown you how you can be saved, you will drop that stupid icon and get a new screen name to show you have become a new person in the Savior....then I'll read and see if you have grown up....for not, your blood is on your own head, I'm done with you.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
JatinNagpal(2678) Disputed Banned
0 points

Well duh....how can anything that is not God be God? Is this really that hard to understand, or is it only hard to concede that God is greater than you?

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

I just want you to know I banned you without reading one word, had enough of your childish antics.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You have the stupidest icon pic on this site...Urine has a pretty stupid one, but yours takes the cake.

Side: Yes, Zeus can be God