CreateDebate is a social debate community built around ideas, discussion and democracy.
If this is your first time checking out a debate, here are some quick tips to help get you started:
Arguments with the highest score are displayed first.
Argument replies (both in favor and in opposition) are displayed below the original argument.
To follow along, you may find it helpful to show and hide the replies displayed below each argument.
To vote for an argument, use these icons:
You have the power to cast exactly one vote (either up or down) for each argument.
Once you vote, the icon will become grayed out and the argument's score will change.
Yes, you can change your vote.
Debate scores, side scores and tag scores are automatically calculated by an algorithm that primarily takes argument scores into account.
All scores are updated in real-time.
To learn more about the CreateDebate scoring system, check out the FAQ.
When you are ready to voice your opinion, use the Add Argument button to create an argument.
If you would like to address an existing argument, use the Support and Dispute link within that argument to create a new reply.
The liberal is the unsuspecting, useful idiot to the Marxist, as Saul Alinsky himself put it.
The Socialist is a Marxist pseudo pretending to be a liberal.
And the Marxist is a dumpster fire tyrant who is indoctrinated with the religion of Communism. They are no different than the cultists they blather on about. They believe in a utopian future but cannot put together a comprehensive or logical thought proccess as to how you make it work or defend it, even if you could get there without hostile regimes destroying your utopia with nonutopian militaries.
The liberal is the unsuspecting, useful idiot to the Marxist, as Saul Alinsky himself put it.
Bronto, you have spent the last three days on this site making utterly false claims about the left and attempting to back them up with quotes from senior members of the Nazi Party. Nothing you write has any truth to it. Everything you write is a coordinated attack against the left.
And the Marxist is a dumpster fire tyrant
This is literally the rhetoric of Hitler, Bronto. Please see:-
Bronto, you have spent the last three days on this site making utterly false claims about the left and attempting to back them up with quotes from senior members of the Nazi Party. Nothing you write has any truth to it. Everything you write is a coordinated attack against the left.
So explain to us how quoting is lying. I can't wait to see the response of a jagaloon on this one. Go ahead.
You have been quoting proven lies proliferated by the Nazi Party, while fully aware that what you are quoting has been disproved by the academic literature. That's lying, buddy.
1)You claim Hitler lied about what he believed and who he was. Now you use him as a source for who he is. Brilliant.
2)I waited for him to say "the Marxist is a dumpster fire." Imagine my disappointment when I literally didn't see it in the literal captions anywhere...
You claim Hitler lied about what he believed and who he was.
I did not claim Hitler lied about everything he ever said. You are misrepresenting my position deliberately because you are as obvious a liar as liars get. Your misrepresentation essentially amounts to, "Well, you think Hitler lied about this, so therefore he also lied about this..." It is stupid and is exactly the type of fallacy Hitler himself would have used.
The fact of the matter is that you have been repeatedly posting a quote in which Hitler apparently claimed the Nazis could have been called "The Liberal Party". But you have also been deliberately neglecting to include the question asked by the interviewer to which this was an answer to. The interviewer asked Hitler why he was pretending to be a socialist. Even journalists of his own era knew and understood that Hitler was lying about his links to socialism, but since proof of this does not fit your false narrative, you instead purposefully omit that information from your idiotic posts.
You purposefully ignore the fact that journalists of Hitler's era knew he wasn't a socialist so you can then in future posts accuse him of being a socialist. It cannot be explained by stupidity. It is textbook dishonesty and intellectual corruption.
Hey look. Here's what Hitler literally said about literally being a literal Socialist
But "literally" it has been explained to you probably two dozen times that because of the popularity of Marxism in mainland Europe, Hitler could only acquire power in Germany by bringing in votes from the German left.
It has also been explained to you dozens of times that the central tenet of socialism is decentralisation of power. The central tenet of Nazism was the centralisation of power around Hitler. Socialists want to abandon hierarchy. Nazis wanted to create a Nazi hierarchy.
Nazism is the literal political opposite of socialism.
See my reply to Mingiwuwu. Liberals are left leaning democratic capitalists, socialists want all land and resources to be owned in common and marxists want a system where no hierarchical institutions exist whatsoever.
So why is it that the socialistic systems in Europe do not require land to be owned "in common"? Democratic socialism CANNOT require common ownership. THIS "left-leaning democratic socialist" just wants the "ownership" of our city/state facilities that WE pay for with our taxes, and the Federal "proxy ownership" of our Military, National Parks, ports, etc., by the government OF, BY, and FOR the people.
We don't HAVE to (don't WANT to), go by any communist or Marxist "rules of socialism"! I don't give a rat's ass if we don't even CALL it "socialism", just take what is good FOR THE PEOPLE, what can meld well with democracy, and make it our OWN similarity to socialism. We don't need/want Marx, we don't need/want Lenin, we don't need/want ANY of the authoritarian leaders who used "socialism" or especially communism, to control the people! We DO need to control capitalism to the extent that it doesn't turn U.S. into an oligarchy.
You are not a democratic socialist, you are a social democrat. In America there are different definitions for these things because our political system is based on hiding the bankers and CEOs that hold the real power behind a false facade of a democratic republic and keeping the masses politically illiterate by redefining everything. For example you have been brainwashed to think of communism as a form of authoritarianism and to essentially associate it with everything that it is not even though you claim to be a "democratic socialist" which is technically far closer to communism than it is to capitalism.
So why is it that the socialistic systems in Europe do not require land to be owned "in common"? Democratic socialism CANNOT require common ownership. THIS "left-leaning democratic socialist" just wants the "ownership" of our city/state facilities that WE pay for with our taxes, and the Federal "proxy ownership" of our Military, National Parks, ports, etc., by the government OF, BY, and FOR the people.
We don't HAVE to (don't WANT to), go by any communist or Marxist "rules of socialism"! I don't give a rat's ass if we don't even CALL it "socialism", just take what is good FOR THE PEOPLE, what can meld well with democracy, and make it our OWN similarity to socialism. We don't need/want Marx, we don't need/want Lenin, we don't need/want ANY of the authoritarian leaders who used "socialism" or especially communism, to control the people! We DO need to control capitalism to the extent that it doesn't turn U.S. into an oligarchy.
GRANDPAW shows up spewing the insanity no one can comprehend because his mind is poisoned by the Leftist Media !!!!!!!!!!!
They all vote together, so all from the same bee hive as far as I'm concerned. The Marxists are the most extreme, violent & terrorizing, so they might as well all be Marxists since that's the group running "liberal" parties & running the bee hive.
Communism is something very specific, socialism comes in many forms. You can be a socialist and not a Marxist, but socialism is primarily the transition phases towards communism. There is room however, for different systems to be conceived of which cannot be called communist but can be considered a new form of socialism like the RBE. Marxist theory is socialist and communism is a form of socialism as well, but not all socialists are marxists and communism is only one of many forms of socialism, so the term "marxist" or "communist" and "socialist" are not interchangeable. "Socialism" is basically everything on the 1/4 of the political spectrum that is furthest left. But everything from social democracy to center-right politics can have bits and pieces of socialism to varying degrees. Socialism is simply when the resources and land are owned in common, rather than by the state or by private individuals or institutions. Communism is the most extreme form of that where no systemic political or economic hierarchy exists whatsoever. RBE is communism with the added concept that in the future the way humans think will be entirely different and we will no longer have terms like "belief" or "opinion" and instead of relying on our own subjective conclusions and "making" decisions we will arrive at them through methodology. Thus institutionalized authority will be replaced with reason which can only be achieved if the new way of thinking becomes a part of the global culture, and is taught to everyone in the same way that humans universally have laws and taboos ingrained in their cultures.
So in sum, Marxists are socialists by definition, but socialists are not marxists by definition, because Marxist theory is about the progression of society towards perfect equality and socialism refers to varying systems which are on the more collectivized/equal side of things.
