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Debate Score:13
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Can privatization reduce socio-economic gap and reduce corruption?

No...

Side Score: 7
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A good proposition.

Side Score: 6
3 points

Very doubtful.

Remember Michael Douglas saying "Greed is good"

What have we learnt since the GFC - nothing. The corruptible are still out there learning bigger and better ways how to make a buck at someone else's expense.

Privatisation on the other hand simply means making a profit at any cost so to do that someone has to suffer and that means the socio-economic gap just keeps on widening.

If a private company makes multiple billions of dollars profit and pays the minimal required tax in the country they operate because the profit goes to their head office which is in a country where they pay no tax, they are not breaking the law, as it stands, but is it ethical when those billions of dollars in unpaid tax could create jobs to reduce the socio-economic gap.

Side: No...
2 points

I'm assuming that privatization here is defined as a government contracting with a private company in order to provide government services. It also might reasonably be seen as private equity, but I think the first interpretation is more to point.

It first must be said that privatization is not comprised of either black nor white. It's advantages and usage always colors us gray. So the question is not whether privatization can save us, but under what circumstances is it possible for privatization to save us.

Total privatization would be a single corporation running the entire machinery of government. Zero privatization would be the government owning and operating all the means of production.

It is unclear that there would any practical difference in the societies organized at either of these extremes. We should also understand that any such organization whether government or corporate would be a rather disastrous form of tyranny. This can be seen as a point in favor of my assertion that use of privatization must be mixed with government regulation and control. Our founders understood much of this and as always were concerned with developing checks and balances. Jefferson warned of the dangers of corporations in this fashion:

"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed incorporations."

Our government is defined as of the people, by the people, and for the people. So, any use of privatization must be balanced by some voice from the people. Jefferson asserted that there must exist some check to balance the power of corporations for our democracy to survive. Another point in favor of my assertion that privatization must be mixed with government regulation.

But where does that voice opposing privatization come from? Jefferson warned but did not say.

"If any man tells you he loves America, yet hates labor, he is a liar. If any man tells you he trusts America, yet fears labor, he is a fool.—Abraham Lincoln

In the economy, labor unions are intended to balance the interests of private industry. These two entities are highly antagonistic toward one another and will each seek to submerge the interests of their enemy. This conflict will result in alternating fortunes for business and labor.

We are currently in a situation where corporations are waxing supreme. That is a obviously a situation where privatization is on the rise. And, what do we observe happening to the income gap between rich and poor as more public money goes toward paying private interests to supply the functions of government? The income gap between the rich and poor increases...

It increases with privatization, because private interests are gaining in power and the push of competition is seeking the most efficient profits seekers. This naturally reduces the number of corporate entities as the strongest rises to the top while consuming less vigorous competitors through competition, mergers and acquisitions.

The natural chain of this logic leads us to a corporate run state and violates the understanding that privatization must be some mixture government regulation and private interest.

This logic leads us to the answer to the question posed.

Privatization can only save us when labor has gained too much power.

In our current state we are dominated by corporate interests, we require less privatization not more; and acting through unions will balance the power of business with the voice of regulation coming from "we the people"

As we achieve balance between these two forces corruption will naturally decrease, because corruption itself is required to shift and maintain an unbalanced system.

Side: No...
2 points

Not in the USA. The term privatization in the USA refers to corporations rather than sole-proprietorships doing government held jobs. Since this is the case one would only be trading one evil for another.

Side: No...
2 points

Corruption exists in all forms of commerce and services, including democratic free market capitalism and totalitarian communism. In the drive for profits, private companies have proved themselves time and time again to be more efficient and cost effective. In this cut and thrust world of fierce competition only the fittest and those who are conscious of the public's requirements survive. Whilst privatization will not reduce corruption it will, through it's innovation and the necessity to stay ahead of, or at least keep pace with the competition, generate quality jobs, staff training and development with the ensuing increase in the living standards of a greater % of the population. Corruption has existed since the dawn of time and, to adopt and adapt a quote from George Orwell, all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. My interpretation of this is that the more capable,ambitious and conscientious will, almost always be more prosperous than their less capable and lazier peers.

Side: A good proposition.
2 points

Privatization's advantages:

1)better salaries to the employees of any private organization

2)the employees are kept on their toes and are barred from engaging in something illegitimate.(Reduction in corruption)

3)The privatized institutions are better managed,each having it's own ambitions and standards.

4)there's an increase in GDP through taxes

5)the funds collected in the process can definitely go a long way in minimizing the Socio-economic gap

Side: A good proposition.
1 point

Corruption is a cost, maybe not on the books but the fact is that corruption is a comparative disadvantage. So the free market will in a way govern corruption and keep it at a tolerable level. Too much corruption kills the company and the next one steps up to fill the gap. Sponsored organisations do not answer to the mechanisms of the free market and often end up simply wasting away resources and making up bogus arguments to close the deficit.

Side: A good proposition.
1 point

Some good points here, but it's important to recognise that most employees, not all, but most, will engage in dishonest practices, which can have a more adverse affect on the company's profits and continuance than than the corrupt activities of senior management and directors. Dishonesty and greed is a congenital characteristic of most human beings and I subscribe to the adage that everyone has their price. Regardless of what executives or employees are paid they will always want more and will be constantly looking for ways how to enhance their earnings. It won't matter if it's by fair means or foul. No matter what type of business or service, private or public, the management will engage in any activity which will bolster the company's profits so as to boost their own earnings and the employees will always, but always, find a way to steal from their employers. ''People don't do what's expected, they only do what's inspected''. Everyone, quite rightly, bellows on about the ''fat cats'' and the skulduggery of the senior executives whilst overlooking the criminal deeds of most employees. There is no formula or political ideology which will eliminate corruption and criminality within society, the best we can do is to try to keep it under control as much as possible.

Side: A good proposition.