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Debate Score:102
Arguments:85
Total Votes:114
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Can you prove that God (in Christianity) exists?

Do you believe in God? If you do, please explain how you can prove that he is real.

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Side Score: 40
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No

Side Score: 62
3 points

Yes. I, as a Christian, almost wrote "no" on the other side, but the thing is, you can't necessarily disprove God. I can argue with you on why that's not possible. On the contrary, you may not be able to simply prove His existence. You can take lots of evidence found throughout the world that supports his existence, and you can make a conjecture on this. Personally, I have found proof that makes sense to me that ties in with scripture to say "God of the Bible Exists".

Side: Yes
Jace(4551) Disputed
4 points

[...] you can't necessarily disprove God.

Which in no way constitutes proof of the Christian God.

You can take lots of evidence found throughout the world that supports his existence, and you can make a conjecture on this. Personally, I have found proof that makes sense to me that ties in with scripture to say "God of the Bible Exists".

Lots of evidence... such as?

Side: No
psalms10(7) Disputed
2 points

LOve.. home, obedience... you.. are you obedient? do you feel at home? can you feel the love? when you can't feel 'em then you just dependent on what you here on others you know..

you what's your evidence on proving that God does not Exist?

Side: Yes
1 point

The absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Look at all your existing beliefs and see if they are based more on the lack of evidence than evidence.

You may be surprised how many there actually are.

Side: Yes
Noxter(92) Disputed
2 points

There is no need to disprove something that has never been proved into existence in a first place.

Otherwise with your (failed) logic pig farms should have should have nets over them to prevent pigs from flying away, because nobody disproved pigs ability to fly...

I have found proof that makes sense to me that ties in with scripture to say "God of the Bible Exists". So if I write a book that says that bible is a lie, you will become atheist because "my book says so" ?

Side: No
psalms10(7) Clarified
2 points

But those who wrote these scriptures are illiterate but because of God they have wrote these things. We being literate we can actually create our own book to prove something and to disprove...

so if I say that: If i can also write that atheists do not exist for the reason that they only get proofs on what they here form others.

Side: Yes
2 points

actually... if we find God in the bottom of our heart we can find Him. Because of human intelligence, they are now finding away to prove that there is no God. But for us Christians we have already prove that God exist by the word FAITH. We can prove it by the power of the Holy one.. actually even thou you argue for this topic no one will win and will loose for there are many reasons like: our knowledge is not enough to approve or disprove something unless you know it.

That's the reason why we put our faith to God. Anyone can prove it if someone's heart is open wide to accept the reality. :)

Side: Yes
2 points

we can.. for we already experienced it..!

actually we have already undergone the process of being born again. Me, also been a persecutor of the church and when the time i realized that I was wrong and that's the reason I' telling this to you to think about it. it is us if we believe, we decide for our own..

that's why we need not to talk about this topic for we only want to win and to be popular.

Side: Yes
MundiVeritas(10) Disputed
1 point

There have been many attempts to justify the belief in a specific God, but there's an issue here that I believe is not being addressed. Since the argument specifies a God (Yahweh), I fail to see how it can be justified at all. As with the Argument from Design, the Teleological Argument, the Ontological Argument, the Kalam Cosmological Argument...they all fall short of showing a rational basis to believe that any God/Gods exist, so how do you reconcile that with your assertion that a specific one, does indeed exist?

Using the Kalam as a convenient example, the furthest you can get by using that line of argument is the Deistic position, and that in itself is a stretch. What is your justification for claiming that A: God exists, and B: He is necessarily the Judeo-Christian God?

Side: No
2 points

Yes, you can prove that God exists because Creation itself mimics the Creator, and so do we as well. For example, when the leaves in the fall start to fall off from the tree's that symbolizes that Creation is mimicking the death of Christ, and in the spring when everything blooms and everything is beautiful the earth is symbolizing the Resurrection of Christ.

We mimic the death and Resurrection of Christ on a daily basis. How so you say? Well when we go to bed you lay flat on your bed, or sideways. You basically are practicing the death of Christ, and when you wake up the next morning and get up from bed you're symbolizing the Resurrection of Christ.

Side: Yes
Jace(4551) Clarified
6 points

Metaphorical interpretations of objectively explainable phenomenon do not prove the existence of the Christian God.

Side: Yes
Cuaroc(8489) Clarified
3 points

You do know your exact arguments can be used in support of almost any other religion/mythology.

We mimic the death and Resurrection of Osiris on a daily basis. How so you say? Well when we go to bed you lay flat on your bed, or sideways. You basically are practicing the death of Osiris, and when you wake up the next morning and get up from bed you're symbolizing the Resurrection of Osiris.

Yes, you can prove that Odin exists because Creation itself mimics the Creator, and so do we as well. For example, when the leaves in the fall start to fall off from the tree's that symbolizes that Creation is mimicking the death of Odin, and in the spring when everything blooms and everything is beautiful the earth is symbolizing the Resurrection of Odin.

Side: Yes
Noxter(92) Disputed
2 points

All of it was happening long before the Christ's myth started showing around ...

Side: No
2 points

I am not a Christian. As evidence for the existence of God in the Christian sense of the concept, I would accept the physical results of Gods biblical miracles. Pillars of salt or water walkers would work as evidence for example. With enough evidence I think there would be a substantial concesus on the matter.

Side: Yes
MundiVeritas(10) Disputed
1 point

The problem is that Historians have not only different goals than Scientists, but utilize different methodologies. Biblical Miracles are no more verifiable than those attributed to Thor, Wotan, Beelzebub, Odin, or Ra. The fact that a historical text makes a claim doesn't make that claim true; since we cannot directly observe the past, Historians can only offer what was recorded and try to make associations and conjecture based upon their evidence.

This puts us in the position of considering what we can observe; namely, the Physical Laws. Einstein once said, "The only Miracle is that there are no Miracles." in reference to the fact that the Laws of Nature are Constant, they do not fluctuate. People do not rise from the dead (and even if the Biblical account is correct and they did, it appears to have been commonplace in the region at the time...so not exactly "divine"). As usual, Occam's Razor can solve many-a-problem.

Side: No
Amarel(2534) Clarified
1 point

Biblical Miracles are no more verifiable than those attributed to Thor, Wotan, Beelzebub, Odin, or Ra

They are equally unverifiable. An historians account being reproducible does not make it true. But an historians account lacking reproduce-ability, as does much of the bible, makes it almost certainly untrue. Hence my statment that I would accept as evidence, some of the miracles from the bible (or their results). If they were to happen again, or we could find that they happened in the first place, I would consider it a point in the bibles favor.

Side: Yes
1 point

C.G. Jung said when asked if he believed in God, "I don't need to believe, I know."

If you know something then you don't have to believe in it.

You can know in your heart that God exists. Revelation can come through deep insight, from the ability to sit quietly in a room, though the use of drugs as a facilitator of religious experience, or it can come naturally. Just read the books of the great mystics to understand these facts.

You cannot prove to another person that God exists. God is defined as infinite and cannot therefore be bracketed in an intellectual pursuit, as if He were a puzzle you needed to solve.

Side: Yes
Coldfire(1014) Disputed
4 points

You cannot prove to another person that God exists.

‘nuff said

Side: No
14giraffes(85) Disputed
1 point

‘nuff said

That's just being a lazy ms daisy. lol, no you're probably just not interested in doing the real hard work, which is not conclusive for other people.

Side: Yes
psalms10(7) Disputed
1 point

actually you can by showing humility and love. What you do on others that is good actually at that moment you are actually allowing yourself to be a instrument by God to change others.

Side: Yes
Jace(4551) Disputed
3 points

Just because someone says they know something does not mean they actually know it. To know something is to have substantive knowledge of that thing... not to subjectively conceive of it while tripping on drugs.

Side: No
Amarel(2534) Clarified
3 points

If a person is sane and without delusions by all accounts including their own, and is not using mind altering substances, they may have a vision that causes them to say they "know" God. It's not irrational for this person to hold this position though it may be irrational for others to believe them.

I don't know about Jungs statement or drug use.

Side: Yes
MuckaMcCaw(1967) Disputed
1 point

"Knowledge" without evidence is actually just belief.

So again, why do you believe, or know or whatever? Why?

Side: No
MundiVeritas(10) Clarified
1 point

Knowledge is a subset of belief, defined as 'Justified True Belief.' The point stands, where's the justification for the belief?

Side: Yes
1 point

Yes you can.

1. The Universe The universe can't have made from nothing! Just a speck? That's not gonna happen. A creator, God, is the only possible answer for the universe.

2. The Earth Look at the Earth's position in our solar system! Perfect for containing life! If anything was out of place we couldn't exist! We are God's people!

3. Humans God created humans! Look at your own face! Look how perfect it is situated on your face. A divine creator had to have done this.

PROOF FOR WHY GOD EXISTS

Side: Yes
hailsroxy(42) Clarified
2 points

You cant prove that God made humans either, and there is actual proof that we have monkey genes.. (As cheesy as that sounds) The rhesus monkey. We have a common gene with them, which is also related to our blood type, being either rh negative or positive, which most people are positive and there is about 20% that is negative.

Side: Yes
hailsroxy(42) Clarified
2 points

You cant prove that God made humans either, and there is actual proof that we have monkey genes.. (As cheesy as that sounds) The rhesus monkey. We have a common gene with them, which is also related to our blood type, being either rh negative or positive, which most people are positive and there is about 20% that is negative.

Side: Yes
robag2000(64) Disputed
1 point

Just a speck?

A speck of energy containing all the energy that the universe will ever have. Energy cannot be destroyed nor produced.

Look at the Earth's position in our solar system! Perfect for containing life! If anything was out of place we couldn't exist!

The universe is infinite. We are on Earth because life is on Earth. I am sure there is a life-sustaining planet out there.

Look how perfect it is situated on your face.

How do you know it is perfect. Evolution; Natural selection created this. People who had features like us survived because they had good features and could survive more easily. The existence of God cannot be proven.

Side: No
psalms10(7) Disputed
1 point

yes you are right but if you know not these things you do not actually say these things for you will believe in what will others tell you to believe...

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

The universe is not infinite.

https://youtu.be/EQbrEGP2NAc

82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.

We exist by miracle! Science proves God!

https://youtu.be/EQbrEGP2NAc

Side: Yes
Noxter(92) Disputed
1 point

The usual religion drone argument, I don't understand stuff therefore magic .

Side: No
14giraffes(85) Disputed
1 point

But this is the opposite extreme:

I don't understand stuff therefore it must be a fraud.

Side: Yes
hailsroxy(42) Clarified
1 point

You cant prove that God made humans either, and there is actual proof that we have monkey genes.. (As cheesy as that sounds) The rhesus monkey. We have a common gene with them, which is also related to our blood type, being either rh negative or positive, which most people are positive and there is about 20% that is negative.

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

We have monkey genes? God made all land animals and man from the dust. Cells picked up in His hand as He created.

So that's not an indication evolution is factual.

And Satan creates also. So while we were in our garden playpen before the fall, Satan who is a mutating shape-shifter was likely making failed experiments outside the garden.

Side: No
MundiVeritas(10) Disputed
1 point

The entirety of your rebuttal can be dismissed with a hearty pointing out of the glaring Argument from Incredulity Fallacy. This is precisely the issue Religion causes: Once you think you have the answer, you stop looking for it. If there ever was a clearer example of how Religion retards progress, I haven't seen it.

Side: No
1 point

I can give you all the proof you need to know that God does exist.

Side: Yes
KNHav(1957) Clarified
1 point

Show me, I'd love to see your presentation of proof.

We should all share proof, so we can reach people. He is coming soon!

Side: Yes
1 point

He is coming soon!

Show me, I'd love to see your presentation of proof.

Side: No
1 point

NOTICE: CODE AND PRECISION! GOD is purposeful and clear.

Proverbs 25:2

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

10 It came about after the seven days, that the water of the flood came upon the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.

12 The rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights.

13 On the very same day Noah and Shem and Ham and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah’s wife and the three wives of his sons with them, entered the ark,

14 they and every beast after its kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, all sorts of birds.

15 So they went into the ark to Noah, by twos of all flesh in which was the breath of life.

16 Those that entered, male and female of all flesh, entered as God had commanded him; and the Lord closed it behind him.

Side: Yes
1 point

Proverbs 25: 2

It is the glory of God to conceal a matter, But the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

Luke 17

32 Remember Lot’s wife.

33 Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.

34 I tell you, on that night there will be two in one bed; one will be taken and the other will be left.

35 There will be two women grinding at the same place; one will be taken and the other will be left.

36 [Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left.”]

37 And answering they *said to Him, “Where, Lord?” And He said to them, “Where the body is, there also the vultures will be gathered.”

Galatians 2:13

The rest of the Jews joined him in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy.

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Hebrews 13:9

Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.

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James 1:14

But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.

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2 Peter 3:17

You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Side: Yes
MundiVeritas(10) Disputed
1 point

Evidence for the existence of God cannot be base on Scripture; to do so would be to engage in presuppositional apologetics, which gets us nowhere. The premise cannot contain the conclusion. In effect, it doesn't matter what verses you cite, as none of them actually serve to as evidence of the existence of a supernatural being.

Side: No

I believe in God, but I cannot prove God exists. God isn't an evidence based god, but a faith based one.

Side: No
3 points

This is 100% correct. There can never be proof until God manifests it.

Side: No
Noxter(92) Disputed
2 points

God isn't an evidence based god, but a faith based one. so are lepricons, fairies, dwarfs...

Side: No
1 point

Okay? I don't see the purpose of disputing me if I'm on the no side. Why did you post here if I'm not claiming existence?

Side: Yes
psalms10(7) Disputed
1 point

yup that's true.. but actually you can because God gives power to those who are in Him and is faithful to Him.. believe in you because you are made in the DNA of a winner.

Side: Yes
2 points

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say. God isn't an evidence based god. God is a faith based god. Do you have an argument to counter what I have said?

Side: No
1 point

No. There's no possible way you can prove God exists, but you can certainly belief what you will.

Side: No
1 point

I cannot prove it, but neither can I disprove it. This is a futile argument that has been repeated for the umpteenth time. Thank you for contributing to the stupidity of mankind.

Side: No
1 point

I find it humorous and also very telling that this debate is over a year old.

And thus, all the delusional believers here have had all the time in the world, as well as a free, open forum with which to give us all even a speck or a hint of proof, or even a mildly compelling reason why god their sky god exists. Or even why they believe in him.

Yet...they have ALL failed to do so. All they can do, all they EVER do, is retort with tired old bible tracts and more of their own groundless and delusional claims.

Hmm..I wonder why this is?

Oh....now I remember.

God does. Not. Exist. Except. in. Their. Minds.

SS

Side: No