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It's not Christian It is
Debate Score:26
Arguments:16
Total Votes:30
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Catholicism, Christian or No?

Based on catholicism's forms of worship and teachings, Catholics are not Christians 

It's not Christian

Side Score: 6
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It is

Side Score: 20
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"Easter(Eostre/Ashtarte) is a Babylonian pagan festival of an egg-laying rabbit,not to forget the Hellenist/Roman man g_d image created by the church,largely from Mithraism and other ‘mystery religions prevalent at the time along with Greco/Roman sun g-d worship.Same goes for Xmas and other “christian” festivals.This information can easily be found anywhere online

'. There may be a god but He/she/it is probably not Christian and he probably doesn't give to shits about your big suv, or your 6 kids. -http://www.rootsofchristianity.com/

Side: It's not Christian
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

Its common knowledge that "Christian" festivals coincide with festivals connected with other religions it was an easy way for the Christian church to get people to convert

Side: It is
1 point

There are many reasons for Catholicism not being Christian. First of all, the church has many pagan practices. The Bible says nothing about nuns being a part of the church; however it was a form of the vestal virgins of Rome many years before Christ. The Bible says nothing about using a crucifix when worshiping Him; however the Chaldean Tau, also in the shape of the cross was used hundreds of years before Christ. Prayers for the dead were never mentioned in the Bible; however, they were used in Chinese ancestor worship hundreds of years before Christ (although 2 Mac. 12:45 promotes this practice, it is an apocryphal book made at a time when the Lord's prophetic wisdom left Israel. Because of this, 2 Mac or any other apocryphal book is to really be trusted for this since they aren't part of the Bible)

Another reason that Catholicism isn't Christian is that they themselves contradict the Bible. Jesus tells us in Matt 23:9 not to call anyone on earth our father; however, the priest and pope are called by that title. Paul tells us in 1 Timothy 4:1-3 that abstaining from a certain number of foods and the forbidding of marriage are demonic practices.

A third reason for Catholicism not to be Christian is their use of traditions. In the Catholic church, traditions are on equal ground with the Bible. While traditions are OK, they are to be neither on equal ground with the Bible nor higher in authority than the Bible. The heavy use of traditions was what the Pharisees and Sadducees practiced. It was because of the idea of traditions being higher than the Bible that caused them to oppose and kill Jesus.

I can name many more reasons for Catholicism not to be Christian, but I don't think I can fit them all here. Also take note that while Catholicism isn't Christian, there are some Catholics who have a legitimate relationship with Christ. Mother Theresa is an example of this.

Side: It's not Christian
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

The Catholic Church was founded in Rome so of course there will be parts that are based on old Roman rituals but at the same time there is nothing in the Bible saying Nuns shouldn't be part of the Church. All branches of Christianity have some practices from previous religions. Before Catholicism Christianity was based on Jewish doctrine, Circumsicion and not eating certain foods originally a Gentile could not become a Christian without first becoming a Jew, Catholicism made it easier for Gentiles to become Christian.

Using your argument no modern version of Christianity is truly Christian they all practice forms of worship or follow religous holidays which stem from other religions and nearly all branches of Christianity stem from either Apostlic or Catholic Christianity.

Side: It is
Cuaroc(8817) Disputed
1 point

Where in the bible does it say that if you add things to worship you are not Christian?

Side: It is
SC17(25) Clarified
1 point

There really isn't a passage or verse that condemns it, however it's understood that adding mystical forms of worship is against God. Worship is meant to be a time of fellowship and praise towards God. If you spend time doing all of these rituals and have a mystical feeling you think is worship, then you might want to look at how Christians worshiped God in the NT and see if that helps. Just remember that worship is time with God that is not to be wasted in rituals (what I mean by rituals here means any form of mystical pagan worship). Its OK to add to your worship, just as long as your worship still honors God after the changes you make.

Side: It's not Christian
1 point

Christianity believes that we must put god first but catholics put Mary before Jesus.

Side: It's not Christian
TheAshman(2299) Disputed
2 points

That is actually incorrect the Catholics put God first they pay homage to Mary as she was the Mother of Christ but God and Jesus come first, its a common misconception

Side: It is

I never even heard that belief of "mary before jesus" before. To me (as a catholic) i see it as Mary might hold the ultimate judgement, but like any other mother of somebody in a powerful position, she holds strong influence and is always willing to lend a compassionate ear to those who ask.

Side: It is
1 point

No. Christians do not believe in purgatory, or pray to anyone other than God.

Side: It's not Christian
4 points

Instead of keep repeating the same debate why don't you answer some of the arguments that have already been put to you previously

Side: It is

Catholicism is Christianity because the Catholic Church is the first organized Christian Church.

Side: It is