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Egg Chicken
Debate Score:50
Arguments:43
Total Votes:55
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Chicken or the Egg?

Ok, I wake up every morning and think....what came first, the possibly infinite universe and all matter contained in it or the pure infintesably small object that went BANG and created the visible world??

Egg

Side Score: 26
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Chicken

Side Score: 24
2 points

Big bang, no strings to be found here, even if M theory is proven correct, where are the membranes located! Me thinks this is only for GOD to know and I don't believe in him/her.

3 years ago | Side: egg

The egg. Why? Because the first egg wasn't laid by a chicken, it was laid by a different creature who's offspring became the first chickens. So, the egg undoubtedly came first. ;)

3 years ago | Side: egg
MrObvious(45) Disputed
1 point

Do you really believe that one species laid an egg that hatched an entirely different species? The theory that one species evolved into another species has long been abandoned by evolutionary biologists since the discovery of the genetic barrier that prevents it from happening.

Some species may be closely related by DNA but yet they are different species. Example, humans and apes share roughly 95% of the same DNA, yet we are two entirely different species. Apes do not give birth to humans. It never happened, never will, because of the genetic barrier.

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
1 point

Apparently you must not believe in evolution at all if you are so idiotic as to make an argument as unbelievably oblivious as that.

The first egg of the modern chicken was in fact not laid by a modern chicken. It was laid by a different species of chicken that was barely different then the modern chicken, but it was still laid by a species of chicken with only a genus in common.

As a species propagates and develops over time, it's denizens mutate more and more over a huge period of time. Then, eventually, an offspring of the primary species is born, and it has mutated so much and become so different from the original species, that the offspring is in fact a new species of creature. This happens in bacteria and insects all the time.

How else do you think evolution works?

Before modern humans were humans, we were a different species of humans. Then over thousands and thousands of years, our parent species mutated until they began giving birth to us, 'homo sapien'. Our parent species was about 99.9999999999999% similar to us, but they were still a different species.

The same can be said for every single last modern animal, or any animal to ever evolve in the history of animals. They don't just start out as a new species... their parent species evolves into them by giving birth to them over time.

3 years ago | Side: egg
1 point

Why title the debate "Chicken or the Egg" when the debate is actually about the big bang?

3 years ago | Side: egg
2 points

Who knows? I think the rational thing to do is just perceive this as the chicken or egg archetype because the description is relatively incoherent.

3 years ago | Side: egg
agomez2(16) Disputed
1 point

because the "big bang" didnt actually happen.................................................................................................

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
Bohemian(3464) Disputed
1 point

This doesn't answer my question.

3 years ago | Side: egg

A egg in general certainly came before the chicken, dinosaurs laid eggs.

Now embedded in the question of whether a chicken egg came first or after, It depends on if a egg is a chicken egg if it holds a chicken inside it or if it was laid by a chicken.

3 years ago | Side: egg
1 point

i think its egg but actually its neither chicken nor egg because it is one of the miracles of the lord!

3 years ago | Side: Egg
1 point

This is my theory: Big bang or whatever..... so we have dinosaurs. We can all agree that they once roamed this planet due to the evidence of their fossils. And if species evolved, I believe that something like this happened:

Pterodactyl---->Ostrich---->Chicken

From this conclusion, you cannot just have a chicken, you need an egg first.

On a side note: My Biology professor from last semester thinks that evolution should be the LAW of evolution, not theory because of evidence... just saying..

3 years ago | Side: egg
Bohemian(3464) Disputed
1 point

My Biology professor from last semester thinks that evolution should be the LAW of evolution, not theory because of evidence... just saying..

Well, your biology professor should know that a law and a theory describe two different aspects of science.

"A law differs from a scientific theory in that it does not posit a mechanism or explanation of phenomena: it is merely a distillation of the results of repeated observation."

http://www.answers.com/topic/scientific-law#ixzz1Snbeyw9A

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

Well as natural history shows, insects, fish and reptiles are all older than dinos and birds and coincidentally they ALL lay eggs! So it is obvious that the egg came first.

3 years ago | Side: egg

Big bang theorists would and can prove within a small speck of time that we came from a singularity of combined forces/energy but what was that in before it broke open.

3 years ago | Side: egg
MsBratt(15) Disputed
2 points

Well I don't believe in the big bang theory. Why is our century believe in scientific things than the true and religious things?

3 years ago | Side: egg
zephyr20x6(2303) Disputed
1 point

I hope your joking. first of all, if you aren't it doesn't seem you understand what science really is, a lot of people nowadays don't. science is an understanding of anything, science is our skill in finding the truth. some things we can't scientifically explain because we don't understand it to begin with, in other words if you understand something, thats technically a science or you could percieve it as scientific. in fact the "scientifically explained" or any form of that expression is silly, science is simply looking for the truth and nothing else, sure sometimes we can be wrong and say X is the truth when its really Y, and end up calling X scientific simply because there is something we got wrong. religion is not a search for the truth, its already claimed "truths" never trying to figure it out but merely claimed. if you want to find the truth, you look for it, not find any old explanation for it without knowing. so if god is real, and he is explainable and you could understand him, than there is science behind him. science never claims anything, only the people using it does.

second of all I think we found evidence some guy ended up finding a way to map out were most of the stars we see are going and there formation as a universe, it turns out that all the stars are moving away from one point I think, or something like that giving evidence for the big bang.

3 years ago | Side: Chicken

For a detailed discussion explaining the answer, go here:

http://www.createdebate.com/debate/show/ What_came_first__the_Chicken_or_the_egg

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

This debate has recently been settled. The chicken came first, and that is now a proven concept. Researchers found that chickens contain a protein that eggs are dependent on. Without this protein, the shell couldn't properly form. Therefore an egg could not have come about without a chicken.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/07/100709083751.htm

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
Bohemian(3464) Disputed
2 points

Except not all eggs require a shell. To say that the chicken came first is to say that no egg laying animals existed before the chicken, which is demonstrably false.

3 years ago | Side: egg
Noxstant(167) Disputed
1 point

Yes, not all egg laying requires the formation of a shell. But to lay a chicken egg a shell is required, and thus the protein found in the chicken is needed for the shell to form.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38238685/ns/ technology_and_science-science/t/which-came-first-chicken-or-egg/

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
Phreekshow(234) Disputed
1 point

Umm, fish,insects and other oganisms also lay eggs and they came way before birds or dinosaurs!

3 years ago | Side: egg
1 point

The chicken was a mutant... it laid the first egg and this was an efficient means of reproduction so the mutant chicken survived to lay more eggs and it's chicks grew up to do the same... etc.

3 years ago | Side: Chicken

the big bang really never explains where the universe came from, just how it was formed, a big misconception about the big bang is that it states something formed from nothing, but thats not at all what the big bang theory states, everything was there before the big bang, just condensed. nothing new was created simply an expansion, thus I will not say the big bang created the universe however I do believe at least to some extent that the big bang happened, just if its really the case what I'd like to know is, where did the condensed universe inside the big bang come from?

3 years ago | Side: Both

The big bang only explains where the original energy came from, M theory explains how that energy expands between two opposing filaments but where are those membranes housed?? Hence Chicken or the Egg!!

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

Has to be chicken as only an orifice can produce by-product.

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
Bohemian(3464) Disputed
1 point

Then where did the orifice come from, and was it the orifice of a chicken?

3 years ago | Side: egg
1 point

I feel that chicken came first as only a chicken can lay an egg. But before the first egg other animals could have evovled into a chicken.

3 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

I hope your joking. first of all, if you aren't it doesn't seem you understand what science really is, a lot of people nowadays don't. science is an understanding of anything, science is our skill in finding the truth. some things we can't scientifically explain because we don't understand it to begin with, in other words if you understand something, thats technically a science or you could percieve it as scientific. in fact the "scientifically explained" or any form of that expression is silly, science is simply looking for the truth and nothing else, sure sometimes we can be wrong and say X is the truth when its really Y, and end up calling X scientific simply because there is something we got wrong. religion is not a search for the truth, its already claimed "truths" never trying to figure it out but merely claimed. if you want to find the truth, you look for it, not find any old explanation for it without knowing. so if god is real, and he is explainable and you could understand him, than there is science behind him. science never claims anything, only the people using it does.

second of all I think we found evidence some guy ended up finding a way to map out were most of the stars we see are going and there formation as a universe, it turns out that all the stars are moving away from one point I think, or something like that giving evidence for the big bang.

2 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

the big bang really never explains where the universe came from, just how it was formed, a big misconception about the big bang is that it states something formed from nothing, but thats not at all what the big bang theory states, everything was there before the big bang, just condensed. nothing new was created simply an expansion, thus I will not say the big bang created the universe however I do believe at least to some extent that the big bang happened, just if its really the case what I'd like to know is, where did the condensed universe inside the big bang come from?

2 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

I feel that chicken came first as only a chicken can lay an egg. But before the first egg other animals could have evovled into a chicken.

2 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

Asexual reproduction occurred before sexual reproduction, therefore the chicken came first.

2 years ago | Side: Chicken
1 point

Its the chicken, because it the egg had come down, it wouldnt have got any warmth (incubation) to grow well. Moreover, it it had fallen down, it would be an omelet, for the chicken it wud get only fractures.

2 years ago | Side: Chicken


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