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Logical Crazy
Debate Score:12
Arguments:15
Total Votes:13
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Christian murders his child

Imagine the following scenario. There is a Christian father that should, of course, love God above all else and want to do whatever he can to please him. One of those things he should do is follow everything in the Bible as well as he can - and this includes not murdering. However, despite his strong belief in the existence of God there is someone he loves more than God: his son. He knows that his son is still a child and thus innocent in the eyes of his Lord. He knows also that as his child grows there is a real chance that he will not accept Christ and thus spend eternity in hell. Therefore, he decides to kill his child. Is that logical? Is that in the child's best interest? 

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Side Score: 6
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Crazy

Side Score: 6
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I always wondered about this. Seems logical, I should probably wait for an argument against it before making one of my own for its being logical.

Side: Logical
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Hello A:

Look.. I dunno where the father is getting his information, but my source tells me that the kid is destined to be a great Christian. But, he's gay, so he should be put down for that..

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Side: Crazy
Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

He cannot be 100 percent certain. It is safer to send him straight to paradise.

Side: Logical
1 point

Let's find a Muslim and see what they say. Kill the atheists and definately kill the gay child. Find a liberal? Yes, kill them too. Muhammad said so.

Side: Logical

Are you seriously asking if it is logical to murder your own son to save him from an imaginary place of suffering invented by an ancient cult? No, it isn't logical. Two things are required for it to be logical:-

A) Proof of the existence of Hell.

B) Proof your son will end up there if you don't murder him.

Unless both those conditions are met, what you are describing is madness. As far from logical as it actually gets.

Side: Crazy
Amarel(5669) Clarified
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No, he is asking if murder logically follows from the given premises.

Side: Logical
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

No, he is asking if murder logically follows from the given premises

But since the "given premises" (paraphrased) were: would you murder your own son to save him from an imaginary place of suffering invented by an ancient cult, then the reply you should have given was YES. Why is it so difficult for you to agree with me? If I've left a bitter taste in your mouth then you should probably get some counselling.

Side: Logical
1 point

Let's see what some Muslims say on the matter. Kill all atheists and gays? Okay, now go argue with someone wearing a burka. No? I didn't think so. Maybe you should get a q-tip and wipe the bullshit out of your quantum ears.

Side: Logical
Quantumhead(749) Disputed
1 point

Let's see what some Muslims say on the matter. Kill all atheists and gays?

If people know the following it is very likely they will understand what a bigoted idiot you are:-

!) The Bible commands to kill all atheists and gays.

2) You are a Christian.

Side: Crazy
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However, despite his strong belief in the existence of God there is someone he loves more than God: his son.

Then the father isn't worthy of being a believer because like you said above he loves his son more than God and thus the verse below explains that.

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."- Matthew 10:37

Is that logical? Is that in the child's best interest?

It's illogical to kill his son because he might not accept Christ, and would obviously go against what the guy believes. It's better to have faith that the child will accept Christ than to think otherwise.

Side: Crazy
Atrag(5666) Disputed
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Thank you for the considered reply.

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."- Matthew 10:37

That is an interesting one. It is accepted that humans sin and cannot always hold themselves to the standards of the Bible. However if you interpret that to mean that someone who loves their child more than God never truly accepted God, then I guess we can say that arent Christians at all. However, in conceding this, you must realise that very few "Christians" will be accepted into heaven because very few love God more than their children.

It's illogical to kill his son because he might not accept Christ, and would obviously go against what the guy believes. It's better to have faith that the child will accept Christ than to think otherwise.

No matter how faithful he is, it is a fact that the child might not choose Christianity. Being that the consequence for this is so grave i.e. eternal damnation, then even a small chance of this happening is worth sending the child directly to heaven.

Side: Logical

What I can't wait for is the cult of liberalism's priests to demand the killing of anyone who bitches about their cup of gruel and 1 year wait in line for flu meds, that the socialist big brother liberal god provides them.

Side: Crazy
Atrag(5666) Clarified
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Haha I knew you wouldn't be capable of understanding this debate. Oh well. Time to go copy and paste one of your right wing videos isn't it?

Side: Logical
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No. Taking aside adulthood for a moment, there is no way to know that the child would grow up rejecting God all the way til death. Preemptively murdering that child in a "just in case" situation is crazy. 100%

I am not saying he should kill his adult son for not believing in God either. Simply he should have faith until he dies, that his child will follow a good path.

Side: Crazy