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Christianity - the ultimate copy cat religion

Written in 1280 BC, the Egyptian book of the dead describes a god, Horus

 

Horus was the son of the God Osiris

 

Horus was born to a virgin mother in a cave, heralded by a star and attended by shepherds

 

Horus was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer. 

Anup was later beheaded.

 

Horus was tempted while alone in the desert

 

Horus healed the sick, the blind and cast out demons.

 

Horus walked on water.

 

Horus raised Asar from the dead. 

Asar translates to Lazarus.

 

Horus had 12 disciples.

 

Horus was crucified between two thieves then after 3 days two women announced that Horus the savior of humanity had been resurrected.

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Written in 1280 BC, the Egyptian book of the dead describes a god, Horus

There is no "Book of the dead", in the singular. The Egyptians had a plethera of books of the dead, plural.

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There is no "Book of the dead", in the singular. The Egyptians had a plethera of books of the dead, plural.

Bronto, I have counted 12 replies you so have so far made to this topic, and not a single one of them refutes the OP's hypothesis that the central tenets of Christianity have been copied from an older religion.

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Bronto, I have counted 12 replies you so have so far made to this topic, and not a single one of them refutes the OP's hypothesis that the central tenets of Christianity have been copied from an older religion

This coming from the same nomenclature who claimed I "posted a bunch of irrelevant links", never realizing that the links were of pictures of the actual thing we were discussing. You then later changed your testimony admitting they were relevant. Bwahahahahaha! The point? You have no credibility, are a drama queen, and are an emotional basketcase.

Nevertheless, actually I debunked and destroyed every one of them. Oh and your dupe puppet "Rusticus" wants you to get a job, rather than sitting on this site 16+ hours a day. Savy?

Rusticus(253) Clarified
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@ Brontoraptor - Good grief, you stayed up all night posting responses to this?

Get a job!

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Plagiarizing Zeitgeist eh? And no reference? Shame shame, we know your name.... Nomenclature...

Horus was the son of the God Osiris

And the son of the goddess Isis. Jesus in the Bible had no goddess mother. Osiris is also not "God", but a god that was born and the son of another one of the gods.

Osiris was the oldest son of the god Geb, and in other sources his father is the sun god Ra, and the sky goddess Nut, and brother and husband of Isis.

Horus was tempted while alone in the desert

Set is the ‘god of the desert’ who battles Horus, and there is no "temptation", while Jesus is tempted in the desert by Satan”. Horus also wasn't "in the desert".

Doing battle with the “god of the desert” is not the same or even similar to being tempted while alone in the desert, and according to the Biblical accounts, Satan did not attempt to kill or "battle" Jesus there. (Matt. 4, Mark 1:12-13, Luke 4:1-13).

The point? The stories aren't even mildly similar. Cherry picking that is this bad is an ugly bed fellow.

Horus was born to a virgin mother in a cave

Or to the goddess Isis...

The early Christians, even if they had desired to base the Gospels on the Horus stories, would have had no possible means to do so. They would have had no access to the endless variations of the stories that were buried in the sands until archaeologists started digging them up in the 1800s.

He was baptized in a river by Anup the Baptizer, who was later beheaded.

There isn't a character named "Anup the Baptizer" in ancient Egyptian mythology. This is a fabrication of a 19th century English poet and amateur Egyptologist named Gerald Massey. He is the author of several books on the subject of Egyptology, but real professional Egyptologists have ignored his work. His writing is held in such low regard in archaeological circles that it is difficult to find references to him in reputable modern publications.

he had twelve disciples.

And again, this claim finds its origin in the work of Gerald Massey (Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World, book 12), which points to a mural depicting “the twelve who reap the harvest.” But guess what... Horus does not appear in the mural.

Healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons, etc

This is referencing the Metternich Stella, a monument from the 4th century B.C., which tells a story in which Horus is poisoned by Seth and brought back to life by a god called Thoth at the request of Isis. The ancient Egyptians used this spell to "cure people". It was believed that the ghost of Horus would dwell within the sick person, and they would be cured the same way that he was. This conceptualization is essentially nothing like the physical healing ministry of Jesus. Horus did not travel the countryside laying his hands on sick people and restoring them to health.

He raised Asar from the dead. “Asar” translates to “Lazarus.”

The name Osiris is a Greek transliteration of the Egyptian name Asar. Osiris is the father of Horus, and, according to the story, he was killed by Seth and briefly brought back to life by Isis in order to conceive Horus.  It was not Horus who raised “Asar” from the dead. It was his mother.

The name Lazarus is actually in real life, on planet Earth, derived from the Hebrew word Eleazar meaning “God has helped.” This name was common among the Jews of Jesus’ time. Point of fact, 2 figures in the New Testament have this exact same name. (John 11, Luke 16:19-31).

And after three days, two women announced Horus, the savior of humanity, had been resurrected.

The story of the child Horus dying and being brought back to life is described on the Metternich Stella, which in no way resembles the sacrificial death of Jesus. Jesus in the Bible did not die as a child, only to be brought back to life because his grieving mother went to the animal headed god of magic.

The story surrounding Horus is linked to the pharaohs, because they were believed to be Horus in life and Osirus in death. With the succession of pharaohs over the centuries came new variations on the story. Sometimes Horus was believed to be the god of the sky, and at other times he was believed to be the god of war, at other times both, but what he was never described as was? “The Savior of humanity.”

Horus had 12 disciples.

Horus had only four followers called "Heru-Shemsu", and at some point in his story there is a reference to 16 followers and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle called ‘mesnui’.

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NowASaint(1278) Clarified
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http://apologetics-notes.comereason.org/ 2015/02/how-to-quickly-debunk-horus-jesus-myth.html

For anybody who wants to know my source.........the Horus to Jesus comparison is dishonest and you have to be stupid to believe it.

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As you can imagine, I copied nomenclature...I mean Rusticus' list and pasted it to Google. It's ver batum and with no reference, so at this point, why bother...

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The faith is in God, The Supreme and Ultimate Reality. Not created things.

The letter kills, the spirit brings life.

You might understand what that means if you understood Christian theology.

The Epistle to Romans might be good for you to study.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+1&version;=AKJV

Horus had disciples.

Jesus had thousands of disciples and has billions today. More specifically, the 12 that followed Jesus are the "12 apostles", apostle meaning "one who is sent away. A disciple could mean any follower of any kind.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles

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That Horus stuff being compared to Jesus Christ is stupid, you have to be stupid to believe they are being honest when they sell that stuff...and they sell it while thousands of mind-numbed suckers buy it.

It's amazing how dumb people can be to not investigate the propaganda they are being fed.

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1) Look for Loaded Language

Notice in the Zeitgeist story, all the terms used are ones taken from Christianity. Horus is called a "messiah" and was "baptized." He had "disciples" and a "ministry." All of these terms bias the listener because they are Jewish or Christian concepts. The Egyptians would never use these words to refer to their religious rites. The word messiah had a very specific meaning to the Jews, including being a descendant of David. It wasn't any political figure. Christianity teaches that believers are baptized only once, not simply a pre-religious washing ceremony. By mislabeling other deities with Christian terms, the listener is deluded into believing the similarities are closer than they really are.

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2) Ask "Can I read the source of these myths?"

The single easiest way to debunk these supposed parallel accounts of Jesus and Horus are to simply ask for the source text of the myths themselves. Just as the stolen kidney tale can't be verified since it comes from "a friend of a friend," so you'll find that the ancient tales that supposedly parallels the life of Jesus are an extended form of hearsay. In fact, all these claims are usually committing the same sin many atheists claim the Gospels commit: they are more like a game of telephone than real texts.

Interestingly, if anyone actually bothers to look up the source texts, a very different picture arises. For Horus, there's no mention at all of twelve disciples, three king visitations, and death by crucifixion and the three day entombment. In fact, Horus was stung by a scorpion and a magic incantation by the god of wisdom, Thoth, purges the venom from his body. This all happens while Horus was a young child, well before his adulthood and battle for the throne. It's nothing like Jesus's resurrection at all.3

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3) Ask "What do you mean by "resurrection?"

There's a significant difference between Jesus's resurrection and what you read in the ancient myths. Osirus, according to a late tradition recorded in the first century AD by the Roman Plutarch, was cut into fourteen pieces by his nemesis Typhon and they were scattered all along the Nile. Osirus's wife Isis was able to gather thirteen of those to reassemble her husband. The tale tells us that unfortunately Osirus's sexual organ was eaten by fish and so Isis assembled another out of gold in order for Osirus to impregnate her with Horus. Osirus, since he will never be a complete being again, now resides as the god of the underworld.4

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4) Ask "What do you mean by virgin birth?"

Certainly, given the events above, calling Horus's conception a virgin birth strains the idea to its breaking point. Other fables, such as Zeus impregnating Semele with Dionysus. He had physical relations with her even though she couldn't see him. Zeus took Dionysus ads a fetus and sewed him into his thigh and from there Dionysus was born. To say the virgin birth stories should be considered comparable is itself laughable.

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5) Ask "Just which calendar were they using in ancient Egypt?"

Lastly, the claims of December 25th are completely erroneous. Many myths don't specify any date at all for the birth of the deities (again, read the originals!) For Horus, Plutarch tells us he was born "about the time of the winter solstice… imperfect and premature."5 Beside the fact that Plutarch mixed many Greek ideas with the Egyptian myths, it is a huge stretch to assume an exact date for Horus's birth. Taking Plutarch's account, the term "about the time of the winter solstice" can be a swing of weeks in either direction. But if the Egyptians wanted to be more precise and attach Horus with the solstice, then his birthday would be the 21/22 of December in the modern calendar, not the 25th. As I've explained before, Jesus's actual birth is not known, and celebrating Christmas on December 25 has nothing to do with the winter solstice whatsoever.

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Why is it so important to many people that they feel like they are proving the gospel of Jesus Christ and the Bible to be untrue?

Could it be due to the Word of God being the only place where it is written that unrepentant sinners will be tormented in fire forever with no relief?

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it should be evident by now that the supposed evidence of Christianity's plagiarism of earlier myths is itself based on myths and contrivances. Those that offer such views attempt to paint a picture that doesn't exist. Don't let these organ thieves steal your brain. Challenge them to think.

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Jesus is not Horus nor Horus is Jesus, Horus did not speak with authority, Horus did not save anyone there is difference between this two.