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Debate Score:108
Arguments:57
Total Votes:132
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Christians, they'll accept ALL this in their bible, but not gay marriage?

 

 

Lol, I came across this on my friend's Facebook and got a good laugh out of it. I personally would enjoy a few of these ;)

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Side Score: 40
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NO!

Side Score: 68

Most of these are from the old testament, which doesn't apply to us anymore, and almost nothing in the text beside the pictures is still applicable either.

Side: Yep
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
4 points

What does it matter if it's from the old testament or the new, I seriously believe it to be hypocritical to claim not needing to follow it because it's older.

Side: NO!
The Phantom(453) Disputed
1 point

What does it matter if it's from the old testament or the new

Because after Jesus came, in the new testament, he made many new commandments, and now those apply. I am not going to go into details if possible, because i didn't acquire this knowledge in a day, and it will take very long to explain. If you want to know, you should go to church.

I seriously believe it to be hypocritical to claim not needing to follow it because it's older.

And how is it hypocritical?

Side: Yep
casper3912(1581) Disputed
3 points

Where is that actually stated in the bible ?

Side: NO!
The Phantom(453) Disputed
1 point

Its not simply stated. Jesus made many different new laws that now apply that replaced the old ones. I have gained this knowledge from years of church going. You all would probably know this too if you went.

Side: Yep
Kamekaze(209) Disputed
3 points

Such an excuse.

Have you even asked why they were existent in the first place before Jesus came into the picture? What went through God's supposedly "omnibenevolent" mind when he first came up with this?

Don't forget the murder of children (ordered by God) just because they cursed at their parents.

Side: NO!
The Phantom(453) Disputed
1 point

Have you even asked why they were existent in the first place before Jesus came into the picture? What went through God's supposedly "omnibenevolent" mind when he first came up with this?

Omnibenevolent, but don't forget just too. He is just and will allow no sin to go unpunished.

Don't forget the murder of children (ordered by God) just because they cursed at their parents.

Do you realize you are helping me? After Jesus came, he set up new laws. God also ordered the death of adulterers, but when the pharisees tried to stone one, Jesus instead offered her forgiveness. And because he died, he is now our salvation and because of his death God now withholds his wrath from us until the appointed time.

Side: Yep
nahga(81) Disputed
2 points

The ten commandments are in the old testament. I guess they no longer apply as well then? No? Let me guess..... you have a cleverly concocted excuse, right?

Side: NO!
The Phantom(453) Disputed
1 point

You do realize you are just repeating, in different words, what 4 other people have said before you, don't you? I'm not even going to take the time to rebut you.

Side: Yep
1 point

I am a Christian who supports same sex marriage. Check out the link that I added.

Supporting Evidence: Gay Christian 101 (www.gaychristian101.com)
Side: Yep
1 point

I am a Christian who supports same sex marriage. :)

Supporting Evidence: Gay Christian 101 (www.gaychristian101.com)
Side: Yep
-1 points

Yep I as a Christian don't accept gay marriage because it is wrong in many different ways. But I am not going to explain why because I don't like to argue with people

Side: Yep
11 points

If you don't like to argue what are you doing on a debate website?

Side: NO!
Srom(12206) Disputed
2 points

He can be on a debate site if he doesn't want to argue then its his desicion if he wants to argue or not.

Side: Yep
1 point

You don't really have to argue about it you should also be disgusted with the idea of same sex marriages doesn't that bother you seriously? If it doesn't explain in great detail to me.

Side: Yep
casper3912(1581) Disputed
5 points

Then go away .

Side: NO!
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

That is not very nice to say to someone to go away from this site. They can be on this site even if they don't want to argue.

Side: Yep

If you are a Christian then you should not be ashamed to say why.

This is a debate site…people are here to agree and disagree.

Side: Yep

I am a 100% follower of Jesus Christ and I am never scared to share. I don't fear people I only fear God.

Side: Yep
-1 points

It is probably true but really so what! Its their religion its their bible why do they have to change their mind on it? why don't gay people call their union something besides marriage and move on for f sake!

Side: Yep
BenWalters(1513) Disputed
4 points

why don't gay people call their union something besides marriage and move on for f sake!

Why doesn't a country, that claims to support the freedom of religion, take out discriminating religious legislation from its laws, and stop violating peoples freedom? Why in hell is it their responsibility to 'move on', or to change the name of their union, it should be the other way round, those that care should have to change their practices.

Side: NO!
casper3912(1581) Disputed
1 point

That exact same argument can be made for the opposing view point with the same level of validity.

Side: NO!
canteenkenny(61) Disputed
1 point

I'm curious about your view here. Is there any validity in the precedent set by history and tradition? The US is now to the point where gay marriage will certainly become reality soon. For good or bad. But for the entirety of our history as a nation and for virtually all of western history, marriage was between one man and one woman. Obviously, traditions can and have changed. But tradition as a base argument does have validity, does it not?

Side: Yep
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2 points

A little biblical knowledge is a good thing. Every one of your examples of Christianity come from the old testament. The old testament was written specifically for the Jewish nation (Israel). Period...no exceptions. Virtually none of the examples can be found in the new testament, which was given to what we call Christians. And the founder of that 'religion', Jesus, was the first person of that ancient culture to elevate women to equality with men. Galatians 3:28..."There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." The principles laid down by Jesus are consistently ignored by Christians and secular people alike, but those principals were both wise and ground breaking. As for the gay marriage thing, he addressed that also. While he never said "love the sinner and hate the sin" as some believe, he certainly lived that principal. With the woman caught in the act of adultery, He refused to condemn her but told her to stop sinning. (John 8:11) Same with the crippled man the He healed. (John 5:14) He never condoned the sin, but He never condemned the sinner. BY-the-way.......ALL of the 'rules' (and there are not many) in the new testament are addressed to believers. If you are not a Christian, they do not apply to you, no matter what Pat Robertson says.

Side: NO!
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
4 points

It's interesting that you say this because it implies that it was once morally acceptable to force a rape victim to marry her Rapist. The reason I find this interesting is because the overwhelming majority of Christians reject moral relativity (that morals are relative to time and/or culture) and assert moral absolutism, which would mean that what was once immoral is always immoral and what was once moral is always moral. If God is morally perfect and does not change, and morals are based on the character of God then on what basis can a Christian say that "No, no no that was old Testament, it was okay for them to do that back then"?

It is abundantly clear to me this is merely a rationalization.

Side: Yep
canteenkenny(61) Clarified
1 point

I won't even attempt to justify or explain the mind of God. Either you believe, or you do not. There are aspects of life that are a puzzle, regardless of what your foundational beliefs are. The atheist can not explain why such a huge percentage of mankind throughout history have looked for a 'God' to explain our existence. Are/were 90% (or whatever the number) of humans thru the ages so stupid or gullible? And the believer will never understand why God could not have devised a system where there is less horror in the world. I can accept that i do not have all of the answers, and am perplexed by some of the questions.

I agree with the "overwhelming majority of Christians" you mention, who believe in moral absolutism. I can not explain why God say 'yes here, and no there', but i can absolutely say that, if you read the bible, you will discover that the old testament laws were specifically addressed to Israel. Period. Jesus opened it up to all comers, and changed the rule book. That is a horrible way to put it, but you get the point.

No, not rationalism, but fact. When Jesus came on the scene, God fine tuned and dramatically changed the rules. Look up Matthew 22:40.

Side: Yep
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
1 point

I appreciate you informing me on this and I've researched it a bit.

But now I wonder, what does the NEW testament, the one that you say matters, say about homosexuality?

Side: Yep
canteenkenny(61) Clarified
1 point

Bad news there. Romans 1:26-27: ".....the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly..." Primarily though, the new testament speaks to "fornication' which is commonly defined as sex outside of marriage (sorry...that is clearly a man and a woman). Please note, these admonitions are addressed to believers. God only asks us to toe his mark when we ask him to be the boss. All others, by scripture anyway, are free to act anyway they want.

Side: Yep
indifference(13) Disputed
1 point

It's kind of convenient for this particular Abrahamic religion that a New Testament made it into existence. If one actually takes time to pause and recognize that ALL gods are and have been fictional throughout history, it's not even a question!

Side: NO!
indifference(13) Clarified
1 point

To clarify: Yes, they will do all of this and NOT support gay marriage.

Side: Yep
xyze(39) Disputed
1 point

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" - 2 Timothy 3:16

Side: Yep

Follow the institution of the family upriver to her headwaters and you'll hear God resolve: "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." (Gen. 2:18 NIV)

God created marriage. No government subcommittee envisioned it. No social organization developed it. Marriage was conceived and born in the mind of God. His phrase, "I will make..." suggests a plan. And the phrase: "I will make a helper suitable for him..." envisions a special partnership. For the woman to be described as a "helper" is anything but demeaning. The same word is used elsewhere (Ex. 18:4; Ps. 121: 1,2) to describe God. The wife, then, is a godlike presence for the man. Hebrew scholars interpret the phrase " a helper suitable" as meaning "exact correspondence." Marriage is a divine match-what one lacks, the other supplies. This was God's plan.

He gives Adam a task. "The man gave names to all the tame animals...But Adam did not find a helper that was right for him." (Gen.2:20 NCV)

The point of the animal parade is clear: no animal could offer what Adam needed. A special act of creation was necessary. So God created Eve. From the frame of man, God made woman. She was of equal value, born of the same father, but she was different. When Adam saw Eve, he knew he'd met his match-his perfect match. His, and mankind's, first spoken words trumpeted the harmony between man and woman. "Finally!" he declares, "Bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh! Name her Woman for she was made from Man." (Gen. 2:23)

Side: NO!
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Side: NO!