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Hail the undead messiah. Obviously not.
Debate Score:173
Arguments:106
Total Votes:213
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Christians worship a Zombie

Jesus died, he came back from the dead. He is by definition a zombie. Discuss. 

Hail the undead messiah.

Side Score: 88
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Obviously not.

Side Score: 85
5 points

Your might be on to something. •\ /•

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Side: Hail the undead messiah.
3 points

Knowledge is a deadly friend, when no one sets the rules.

The fate of all mankind I see, Is in the hands of fools.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
2 points

Epitaph, nice.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
ricedaragh(2494) Clarified
2 points

Why was this downvoted? Epitaph is a cool song.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.

The Jesus story never made a lot of sense to me. I grew up going to church three times a week. I told them (parents, teachers, church people) what they wanted to hear (that I believe Jesus Christ is the son of God and that he died to atone for my sins). Honestly, the story ---even as a story--- never made sense to me. There's parts of the Old Testament that I disagree with, but I kind of get the Jewish concept of God, but

then the New Testament is where we start with the LSD.

Virgin. Angel of the Lord. God in Flesh. Walking on Water. Dead. Not Dead. Resurrected.

And somehow this forgives me for sins that I haven't yet committed.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
chafinlance(2) Clarified
2 points

Translation from language to language changes the bible in small ways such as how the kjv says things when referring to people in a way that makes it sound as if there is more then one person like when is says (god and Christ or Satan and the devil)

Side: Hail the undead messiah.

Makes sense. Christianity is, after all, a death cult; it's only natural that they would worship an undead demigod.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Axmeister(4322) Disputed
3 points

Evidence?

Side: Obviously not.
2 points

What do you mean, "evidence?" It is what it is. You adhere to a prophet and some dogma all for a reward you can only claim by dying. Jesus is undead because he died and came back to life; he is a demigod because one of his parents is a mortal and one is divine. So I don't see what "evidence" I need to furnish: Christianity is by it's very nature a death cult that worships and undead demigod.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Emperor(1348) Disputed
0 points

According to strong Christians, who take the Bible seriously, Earth is basically hell, or a test. It is a terrible place of suffering. A vale of tears, as it is often referred to.

Catholics, a massive sect of Christianity has it's whole blood drinking and flesh eating rituals.

To say "Catholics are wrong!" yet still believe in the same Jesus and God would be shameful, in my opinion. They are both Christianity.

However, even without the cannibalism, there is still the aspect of heaven and hell. Christians are convinced that they will be happy in Heaven, and that because death and pain is caused by sin, they must eliminate sin and live by the word of the bible. Even if those rules make no sense to people not in the cult, to the ones who obey the book, Christians, those rules are important, yet to the Christians, all heathens go to hell. Perhaps not all Christians agree, but Jesus said if you don't believe in him, you don't get eternal life. To a heathen, it is completely illogical and means nothing. It is like saying if you are not good, Gandalf will turn you into a frog and then boil you slowly. Now sure, it COULD be true, but I don't think wizards exist, much less Gandalf. But Christians DO believe, so they will look down on heathens as people who are bound for hell, to burn forever.

This is only after death however. There is no punishment for the wicked on Earth, besides established secular laws, and in highly religious nations, such as Iraq and other third world countries, they do have punishments for sin or breaking the rules of their god, which is often death.

However, the final nail in the coffin is the fact that Jesus' entire message had nothing to do with making Earth a better place. It was all about after you had died. Heaven wasn't on Earth. Earth is a terrible, painful place. Heaven is far better. No death, no pain, all loved ones are reunited.

It's perfect.

Of course, if it doesn't exist, then Christians such as yourself are living a life dedicated to dying and going to heaven.

That makes it a death cult.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
markmcd9929(47) Disputed
2 points

Christianity is not a death cult, Gehovis witnesses are, but not ordinary Christians

Side: Obviously not.
1 point

How do you claim the final reward that Christianity promises you, and that the religion is specifically designed to prepare you for? You die. All of the good stuff about Christianity comes after death. Life is for labor and tithing and prayer and generally apologizing and trying to make up for what a worthless, wretched, sinful piece of shit god thinks you are, and death is a party in heaven 24/7 (provided you do what the death cult tells you, of course, otherwise it's straight to an eternity of unimaginable suffering).

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
2 points

All hail Christianity, the world's most famous cult of human sacrifice!

Side: Hail the undead messiah.

Bam on the target!

Christianity:

The belief that some cosmic jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and drink his blood and telepathically submit yourself as his servant, so that he can remove an evil soul from your body because some rib woman ate an apple from a forbidden tree because a snake told her to.

Makes perfect sense.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.

If Jesus' resurrection was faked, why would twelve intelligent men (Jesus' disciples) have died for what they knew to be a lie?

Side: Obviously not.
5 points

Absolutely!

A whole lot of people, aside from the original apostles who followed Jesus, gave their lives for what they knew to be absolute fact--that Jesus was indeed God's Son just as the scriptures foretold and fulfilled.

The zombie comparison is an insult just to be insulting.

Side: Obviously not.
judgemaster(265) Disputed
1 point

Those whole lot of people were told a bunch of lies, that's what! :|

Side: Hail the undead messiah.

Lol it is so funny how coward down-vote you and leave no comment. Don't you just love that people?

Side: Obviously not.
judgemaster(265) Disputed
1 point

You can't step back after a lie. That would result in greater shame! ;)

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

I am a Christian, but I feel that your argument is invalid. People die for lies all of the time. Look at the 9/11 hijackers.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
1 point

There's no evidence they were all executed and there's no evidence the ones that were executed were executed specifically for their belief in the resurrection.

There is significant evidence the disciples we're not intelligent, however, from the fact that most of them were illiterate savages to the idea that any of them would deny the divinity of Jesus after several clear demonstrations of his power.

But if they did all get executed specifically for their belief in the resurrection, perhaps they were fooled. If David Copperfield can convince several hundred people in modern New York (every single one of them far, far more intelligent than any of the disciples could have possibly been) that he made the Statue of Liberty disappear, what's to say a false prophet couldn't trick a dozen moronic barbarians 2000 years ago into thinking he's a demigod?

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
4 points

whoever even came up with this debate is a friggen retard. if you could actually read the bible then you would know he didnt come back from the dead, he ressurected cuz jesus is god. jesus was born in the virgin mary to save the sinners (us) so he died on the cross for us. even if you dont believe in jesus or god, there still was a man named jesus who told everyone he was god. search the books. have proof before you create a debate.

Side: Obviously not.
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
1 point

he didnt come back from the dead, he ressurectedhe didnt come back from the dead, he ressurected

WHich is the same thing.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
2 points

There is a difference between resurrection and coming back from the dead. Resurrection refers to putting on a new, glorified body, while coming back from the dead, or resuscitation, mean raising the person in the old, mortal body in which they died.

they r not even close.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
judgemaster(265) Disputed
1 point

Jesus never really died! read my arguments with another one of you down below and you might see.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
3 points

If Jesus was a zombie wouldn't the whole world right now be in a zombie apocalypse right now? Obviously not because Jesus when He rose again from the grave His body was healed. He didn't attack anyone.

Side: Obviously not.
Cuaroc(8829) Clarified
2 points

If Jesus was a zombie wouldn't the whole world right now be in a zombie apocalypse right now? Obviously not because Jesus when He rose again from the grave His body was healed. He didn't attack anyone.

Zombie is simply a dead body coming back to life not a dead body coming back to life to attack people.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Axmeister(4322) Disputed
4 points

A zombie is whatever Hollywood wants it to be. So far, the general definition is "the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose. "

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Srom(12206) Disputed
1 point

Zombies are people who are dead but they are infected with a parasite in their brain and they attack people so that they can be zombies as well. Was Jesus a zombie? No because He didn't attack anyone.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
judgemaster(265) Disputed
1 point

Did Jesus actually die on the cross? I pretty much doubt it!

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
3 points

The term "zombie" has a certain connotation and underlying meaning applied to it. The dictionary definition of words is not evidence purely to make an argument out of, simply because words are ambiguous, abstract, and constantly changing. More specifically, when thinking of a zombie most people think of a "hollywood" being that is neither living nor dead. Continued, the living dead are generally known for attacking the currently living as a means of self-survival (i.e. brains; and for that matter, any other type of evil act). So no, Christians do not worship a zombie merely because the word "zombie" brings added luggage to the discussion and Jesus neither wished evil nor did evil upon any of His creation.

Side: Obviously not.

Jesus was never a zombie considering he never came back to Earth in human form either alive or dead.

Side: Obviously not.
judgemaster(265) Disputed
1 point

Jesus never really died!

You know what, let me tell you. Jesus rose from the grave and after some travelling and miracle showing he went away never to be heard of again! That's what you believe, don't you? ;)

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
1 point

Actually, he did died, he died on the cross as a mortal human being.-------------

Side: Obviously not.
2 points

Zombie: soulless corpse said to be revived by witchcraft

The resurrection of Jesus: the Christian belief that Jesus Christ returned to life on the Sunday following the Friday on which he was executed by crucifixion.

Side: Obviously not.
2 points

Zombies eat brains. Jesus did not. Checkmate. ;)

Side: Obviously not.
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
1 point

Only certain zombies eat brains, Romeroesque zombies eat any living human flesh and voodoo zombies don't eat anything in particular, they all share the fact that they are the reanimated dead, as was Jesus, checkmate.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
Sitara(11080) Disputed
1 point

Uh, no. Checkmate my ass. Jesus is not a zombie. You know what gets me every damn time? You antitheists do not have the balls to go after Muslims, but you will go after Christians, and you know why? Muslims will straight fuck you up, while Christians will put up with your bull shit. Maybe if you had the balls to go after Islam, I would have more respect for you.

Side: Obviously not.
andybar98(124) Disputed
1 point

Want to know something? You're an idiot. Ultimate checkmate.

Side: Obviously not.
2 points

Zombi are brainwashed or drugged people. I fail to see the link.

Side: Obviously not.

Why do Christians worship a zombie? Only the stupid worship a zombie and get killed

Side: Obviously not.
1 point

Zombi. They were real, the victims of cruelty trauma and drugging. Look it up.

Side: Obviously not.
1 point

zombie: A soulless corpse said to be revived by witchcraft, esp. in certain African and Caribbean religions.

Jesus has a soul and was not revived by witchcraft

Side: Obviously not.
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
1 point

soulless corpse said to be revived by witchcraft, esp. in certain African and Caribbean religions.

Thats only one of the definitions.

Side: Hail the undead messiah.
1 point

This has to be without a doubt, the most retarded debate I have ever seen, let alone took part in. Zombie?......Really? What exactly were they thinking when they came up with this topic? "He was resurrected, so he must be a zombie! Duh!" So I guess my answer is no. Obviously not.

Side: Obviously not.
ricedaragh(2494) Clarified
0 points

Jesus, why so butthurt?

Side: Hail the undead messiah.