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Class Warfare, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
I'll say it again: Class Warfare, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
The talking heads on the left are constantly demonizing successful people in an effort to stir up the resentment and envy of their minions, but what good is accomplished by hating successful and accomplished folks? Aren't successful people worthy of emulation, rather than condemnation? Perhaps class warfare assuages that natural tendency in some people (liberals) to hate those who have because they have not? I just don't think it's a philosophy that will serve them well in life.
So, which is it with you? Do you consider them worthy of emulation, or worthy of condemnation
Once you attempt to artificially restrict the degree of success and/or individual earnings you are on the slippery slope to a communist ideology. In a free capitalist society, as in places of education, the top achievers will excel whilst the dummies lumber along the bottom and most others will be somewhere in between. It is best to let ''the cream rise'' and have the ''inbetweenies'' trying to emulate the achievements of the successful. Resentment and the era of political correctness is the reason for life's losers saying, what amounts to no more than;-, how dare you be so successful, you high achieving b'tard, what about us lazy dummies? A non academic can achieve massive success if he/she works hard enough, takes business risks and has business acumen. It's only the idle, non achieving dummies who cry cheat when they see they've been left behind. Making the strong weaker doesn't make the weak stronger.
That is spot on! Liberals know how to tap into that vein of resentment and exploit it to the max. Ole Bernie Sanders is blaming all those evil billionaires for the plight of the under achievers and his minion eat it up.
Firstly, who decides at what level wealth becomes excessive? People have different ideas as to what determines success. Academics can construct sentences using unnecessarily large words and have their heads bulging with knowledge. This undoubtedly is satisfying and can be regarded as a form of success and intellectual prosperity. Good on them. I have mixed sentiments about such types, a feeling of admiration for their good brains and desire for knowledge, but at the same time hold a certain contempt for their apparent pretentiousness. Those with an insatiable hunger for ever more wealth will spend their lives trying to be;- 'exceedingly richer than thou''. Wealth is relative and those who are well heeled always compare themselves with others who are wealthier. Drive a jaguar and you look at the guy in his Rolls Royce. Own a speed boat and you see the guy in the ocean going cabin cruiser. Just as the academic strives to gain more knowledge, so the billionaire aspires to become ever wealthier. While all this is going on the idler arises from his hammock around lunch time, checks the mail for his benefit's cheque, has a good scratch, decides that the world is ''ill divided'' and then, just before retiring for the rest of the day,screams that the rich get richer while the poor get poorer and, calls for the redistribution of wealth. If all the dosh in the world was amassed in one place, ( figuratively speaking) and divided equally, soon afterwards most of the wealthy would be rolling in it again and the idlers would be bellowing on about the injustice of it all. Let everyone follow their heart's desire and try not to be judgmental.
The Left always talks a big game about the income disparity but when it comes to actually making it better, they refuse to do the things necessary to make it happen.
Remember when manufacturing was not taxed to death and those better paying jobs were here in America? Those on the Left refuse to cut coporte tax rates to entice those jobs back to ths country.
How many times has the Left raised taxes on the wealthy but kept the money to themseves. I never saw a large tax cut to the middle class from Democrats. There are always strings attached such as targeted tax cuts for certain people who do what we want them to do.
Class warfare is done purely to get the votes of low end voters and those closet Socialists on the Left.
I, too, have noticed how the left plays the class warfare card early and often just to rile up and foment resentment and envy- a staple of liberalism. It works beautifully, too. I'm surprised their minions haven't caught on.
"Remember when manufacturing was not taxed to death and those better paying jobs were here in America? Those on the Left refuse to cut coporte tax rates to entice those jobs back to ths country"
ERRRRRT. Wrong. The right pushed for legislation that made it easier for corporations to send labour over seas where its cheaper to manufacture. The couldve put up barriers to this and kept work here dispite that but they chose not to. The TPP is championed by the right and would continue to make outsourcing easy and profitable.
Also under Bill Clinton's administration 22.5 million jobs were created (92% were private sector), the most of any presidency ever. soo....
"How many times has the Left raised taxes on the wealthy but kept the money to themseves."
What does that even mean "kept the money to themselves"? What the fuck does that even mean? You have evidence of democrats embezzling money? You gonna go to the authorities with that info or is it just more shit you pull out your ass?
"I never saw a large tax cut to the middle class from Democrats."
You dont have to cut taxes to fix the fucking problem. Again under clinton the real median family income increased by $6,338, from $42,612 in 1993 to $48,950 in 1999. Poverty also declined from around 15% to 11.5%. The middle class grew DESPITE not cutting taxes. But again thats the right wing mentality. One size fits all: Cut cut cut cut cut. Even when the tax rate isnt the problem.
"There are always strings attached such as targeted tax cuts for certain people who do what we want them to do."
Liiiike?
But that never happens when republicans are in office constantly cutting taxes for the richest corporations who just so happen to be their top donors. For instance in congress 2 congressman managed to rally against and shut down a bill that would expand the FDA to allow it to better manage the testing of dietary supplements that kill thousands of americans annually. Wierd how those two republican's top donors were all pharmaceutical industries and drug companies.
"Class warfare is done purely to get the votes of low end voters and those closet Socialists on the Left."
"The left helps the poor so the poor vote for them"
well no shit. Why would they vote for your stupid ass who wants to keep them poor by denying them any means of bettering their situation? If the left does it just to get their votes then they kinda deserve those votes.
How many tmes must i hear the same ludicrous argument that Democrats know how to create a great economy because the one and only president who did (Bill Clinton).
But as ALWAYS you leave out the part where the GOP was in control of the Senate and the House and forced him to come to the middle and sign legislation sponsered by the GOP that helped our economy grow and balance our budget deficit. I will give Clinton credit for coming to the middle where today's extremist democrats refuse to compromise. It was also the computer boom spurring on the good economy.
If you listen to the news, most politicians(democrat & republican) agree that cutting the corporate tax will help bring jobs backto the US. It's common sense. We have the highest coporate tax rate in the world! Do your usual to deny it, you make yourself look the fool.
When I said they keep the money to themselves, I meant Big Government kept the money to dole out to their favorite voting blocks.
When I listen to ideologs like you spewing the same old tired rhetoric of how the GOP is the prty that help the rich, I laugh when I use my brin and look at seven yers of Liberal control where income disparity is the worst ever, with the highest welfare roles and poverty rates. Yeh, these Liberal democrats relly now how to fix our problems. NO THEY CREATE THE PROBLEMS as we have witnessed first hand.
Now go and play back how Bill Clinton resided over a good economy. Keep branwashing yourself.
Obamacare is the largest tax increase on the middle class in my lifetime and is a big part of the problem with our dead economy. We have had no inftion for seven years and should not need for our incomes to go up if it were not for the constant tax increases and fees from the Left to pander to their low income voting block.
The Left wants a sociaist society where work effort means nothing. They want to redistribute our money to their voting blocks, thereby creating a dependent electorate where hard work gets you nothing. Can you morons ever get it? IT DOES NOT WORK!
How many tmes must i hear the same ludicrous argument that Democrats know how to create a great economy because the one and only president who did (Bill Clinton).
Not just one. The data shows that statistically the economy thrives under democrats more than republicans.
But as ALWAYS you leave out the part where the GOP was in control of the Senate and the House and forced him to come to the middle and sign legislation sponsered by the GOP that helped our economy grow and balance our budget deficit.
The same way Obama was forced to sign Obamacare into law which was literally the same shit program Romney was gonna propose that was garbage and continues to perpetuate healthcare for profit?
I will give Clinton credit for coming to the middle where today's extremist democrats refuse to compromise.
The same extremist democrats who blocked obamacare until the government shut down? The same democrats who logged 112 fillabusters between 2007 and 2008? Oh wait..
If you listen to the news, most politicians(democrat & republican) agree that cutting the corporate tax will help bring jobs backto the US. It's common sense. We have the highest coporate tax rate in the world! Do your usual to deny it, you make yourself look the fool.
We have the highest corporate tax rate and nobody fucking pays it because they get out of it with loopholes and tax havens. Sure we could lower it but we have to make sure everyone pays it. Also bringing jobs back to the US is easy if you dont propose horrible trade deals like the TPP that do nothing but make it easier to ship jobs over seas. No corporation based in the US should be allowed to export labor. At the very least they should be forced to pay ANY workers, abroad or not, minimum wage PLUS another tax on the abroad laborers so it becomes unprofitable to export labor.
When I said they keep the money to themselves, I meant Big Government kept the money to dole out to their favorite voting blocks.
If im in favor of funding food stamps and the people i elected decide to increase food stamp funding that isnt pandering to the voters its doing what they fucking elected you to do. Officials using tax money to give their constituents what they want is not the problem thats the solution. The problem is people like republicans taking tax money and saying "no were not gonna fund infastructure spending were gonna put this in defense AGAIN and corporate wellfare AGAIN" even though nobody in the US wants that.
When I listen to ideologs like you spewing the same old tired rhetoric of how the GOP is the prty that help the rich, I laugh when I use my brin and look at seven yers of Liberal control where income disparity is the worst ever, with the highest welfare roles and poverty rates. Yeh, these Liberal democrats relly now how to fix our problems. NO THEY CREATE THE PROBLEMS as we have witnessed first hand.
Kinda like those democrats who lifted Glas Steagal which led to the sub prime mortgage crisis and the great recession along with the war in iraq which has crippled our economy? Oh wait thats Bush. Maybe im thinking of that guy who believed in trickle down economics that failed miserably. Oh wait thats Reagan.
Obamacare is the largest tax increase on the middle class in my lifetime and is a big part of the problem with our dead economy. We have had no inftion for seven years and should not need for our incomes to go up if it were not for the constant tax increases and fees from the Left to pander to their low income voting block.
Taxes on the middle class have been CUT under obamacare. The fuck are you smoking. People also have health insurance that previously didnt so thats also a benefit.
We couldve had a public option which is what Obama initially wanted and what the people wanted as well. It was the GOP that forced them to continue to fuck with the stupid insurance system
The Left wants a sociaist society where work effort means nothing.
You know literally nothing about socialism nor the democratic party if you think theyre socialists.
They want to redistribute our money to their voting blocks,
No shit because they tend to do what the people voted them in to do. This is a non-problem.
How's that coolaide? Do you have any clue how pathetically brainwashed you are? There is nothing anyone coud say to the likes of you. Have a great life watching your children's future go down the drain. It will be people like you who make it happen. Pandering to a lazy selfish voting block while our nation goes bankrupt is beyond corruption.
OUR MILITARY PROTECTS ALL AMERICANS, not just the Democrat voting block of wellfare moochers. Democrats support all those so called corporate welfare programs.... oh wait, it was only Democrats who supported the green energy corporate welfare. Keep showing how little you know about both parties.
See, this is why people have a problem with you. They gave you a long, point by point response.
Your response really boils down to "How's that coolaide?"
You have no desire to hear or talk to people of different opinions. Any time you find one, you convince yourself that they are just as closed off to different opinions as you, and then you bring up entirely irrelevant topics in an attempt to deflect.
Using tax dollars on the PEOPLE who PAY them is not a ludicrous idea. Our military protects us sure, but not for trillions of dollars. All were doing is getting involved with other countries civil wars for no reason. We have no imminent threat against us today that WE didn't create. We should take all necessary steps to protect us but be NON INTERVENTIONISTS.
THEY SUPPORTED GREEN ENERGY TO INCREASE GREEN TECHNOLOGY YOU RETARD. it was to fight global warming and take steps against climate change. It's a good thing to help out green energy so it can grow as an industry. Corporate wellfare to the already booming oil and carbon industries is ABSURD. Shows how little you know about any policy and legislation ever.
You're a moron. Corporate wellfare for green energy is essentially subsedizing it. That promotes the growth of the green technology industry. The growth of that industry helps combat climate chang AND helps boost the economy by growing a not already multi billion dollar industry. That serves a smart political/economic/environmental goal. It's a SMART use of money. Corporate wellfare for companies like Walmart and Raytheon ect. does nothing as they already make billions of dollars. They're not under threat of going under either. Using that money to just hand already rich people more money and in the case of oil companies, people who are rich AND are polluting the environment more money. That is a DUMB use of that money. See how that works champ? See how politics isn't a one size fits all blanket approach system? You actually have to THINK about things and pay attention to DETAILS.
In a few ways: One of the main ones is that the only wait their workers are generally able to, you know, live, is through being on public assistance in addition to the very low wages they pay. This isn't unique to Walmart, they are simply the biggest culprit. Now one of the main ways is food-stamps, of which Walmart is one of the biggest players. So Walmart pays their workers so little that they need to be on food stamps, then that food stamp money gets used at Walmart, so for them its a win win.
I use Walmart as the generic "big company". I do think they recieve some amount of corporate wellfare but the top recepients are Nike, Ford, GM, Fiat, Shell and Boeing. Total corporate wellfare payouts are close to 92 billion dollars which many economisys believe could balance the budget by being cut.
You have the right to your opinion. Conservatives always scream "not my wallet" ad naudeum when liberals try to help the poor and disabled. My life saving medications cost thousands of dollars every month, and thanks to liberals, I can get the healthcare that I need, because I can't afford it on my own.
Were you getting your medication under the Bush administration? Yes? He is conservative you know. So you can stop with all this bullshit about Conservatives not giving the poor medication. Conservative HAVE given you your medication in the past!!!
Who said they need help? What kind of help do they need? How much help do you give them? For how long to you give them help? What is required on their part to get off this help you force upon them?
Those are GOOD questions to be asking. I don't know, let's come together and discuss the answers. Not just go CUT WELLFARE, CUT FOODSTAMPS, CUT CUT CUT. Which is the rights response thus far
There is so much pork, waste, fraud, inefficiencies, incompetencies and redundancies in the Gov't as it is, you can find all the money you need to pay for all these "great ideas" you have for helping out all these alleged victims out there if you're willing to do what is necessary.
How ignorant can you be? Do you call it a compassionate person or party who force others to give their money to help the poor? Compassionate carng people are those who freely give their own money, Churches who freely give THEIR money and time(not tax payer money) to help the poor.
Christians are the most giving compassionate people in this nation and they don't try to force others to give.
When Government gets involved with taxing the people to fund social progrms, it most times becomes political , bloated and corrupt, followed by bankrupt.
Liberals are always more generous with your resources, not theirs. They're all to willing to let/force you to bear the burden and pay the price, but not them.
Worthy of emulation, but also needing forcible moderation. As an egoist I respect the aptitudes of exceptional individuals but also prefer to live in a stable economy because it benefits me more, and excessive wealth disparity undermines the latter.
I never said excessive wealth undermines anyone. I said that an excessive wealth disparity undermines the stability of the economy, to the detriment of most people (myself included).
Additionally, there is nothing inherently successful about being wealthy. It depends entirely upon your metric: wealth, power, happiness, free time, etc.
I dont emulate those who exploit the labour of poor people across the globe and continue to suck dry the american people, tilting the economy ever farther in their favor. I dont emulate those who abuse the very system that allowed them to get rich and then stash their wealth over seas in tax havens to that they dont have to return anything back to said system and the less fortunate than they. I dont emulate those who funnel billions into our democracy, contorting it into twisted oligarchy whos efforts drift ever farther from the will of the american people.
This kind of behavior ought to be opposed. Theres nothing wrong with being rich, but the economy is for ALL people.
The copy and paste man strikes again. You did not answer the question; you only parroted what was written. When you are capable of original thought, please post it for all to see.
Ironically, I did answer the question: "Clearly both are worthy of condemnation, and clearly not everyone (from both sides) employs these types of tactics".
Not only did you miss the point, you also didn't bother to read the comment before posting.
Are you capable of a response that does not include either insults or generalizations?
Try actually reading not only the original post, but what I just quoted to you. Not only did I draw a point by point association that undermines the legitimacy of directing your complaint towards one group in particular, I also answered the question by saying that the behavior you are complaining about is not acceptable, and neither is the similar behavior from the "other side".
Seriously, enough with the insults. Enough with the generalizations. At least try to participate in a way that isn't abrasive if not downright rude.
Partisan rhetoric runs counter to health debates. Partisan rhetoric is simply spouting off talking points and platitudes, and said partisanship tends to preclude any meaningful understanding of opposing view points.
It is because I agree with you regarding the need for health debates that I bemoan partisan rhetoric so much.
I'll say it again: Class Warfare, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
Correct, that is what Socialism is for.
The talking heads on the left are constantly demonizing successful people in an effort to stir up the resentment and envy of their minions.
Oh wow, hypocriticalness right off the bat. The very fact you called us poor people "minions" (because I myself am quite poor) is demonizing the poor.
But, what good is accomplished by hating successful and accomplished folks?
What good comes from calling the poor minions? Or thinking we all live off of welfare and sit around and never work?
Aren't successful people worthy of emulation, rather than condemnation?
Aren't the poor, who cannot have a future if capitalism stays worthy of emulation?
Perhaps class warfare assuages that natural tendency in some people (liberals) to hate those who have because they have not? I just don't think it's a philosophy that will serve them well in life.
Perhaps the philosophy of the right is to that
1. All of the poor wants to live off of welfare
2. All of the poor can somehow magically make money appear
3. All of the poor are lazy and never work.
So, which is it with you? Do you consider them worthy of emulation, or worthy of condemnation*
Neither, each class should be equal in everything. Hell, there should never be class at all.
You have taken the word "minions" and applied it in a context not originally intended by the author. The author's sentence clearly shows that he/she feels that the left is actually exploiting the poor as their "minions" for which they cater their agenda to retain votes.
How can the poor never have a future in capitalism? Capitalism is the very thing that actually makes wealthy people out of poor people. Socialism is what keeps everyone equally poor. The genesis of socialism, best described by conservative Ben Shapiro, is that it is actually selfish. The mentality of "I am breathing, therefore I deserve." He also points of that capitalism is inherently selfless, because it is the mentality of "if I don't provide something useful to society, I starve."
The right does not demonize the poor, but rather they demonize the very things that keep the poor...poor. The current system of welfare is a great example. It was meant to be a transitional source of sustenance, while one sought out other opportunities, but it has turned into a career.
The genesis of socialism, best described by conservative Ben Shapiro, is that it is actually selfish. The mentality of "I am breathing, therefore I deserve." He also points of that capitalism is inherently selfless, because it is the mentality of "if I don't provide something useful to society, I starve."
The problem that you and Ben Shapiro seem to have is that people who are working are still suffering. The capitalist mentality is "I am working, therefore I deserve" and that is failing. The actual capitalist mentality is "if I provided something useful to society I am entitled to more than just avoid starvation." It is not selfless. It is a system that depends on selfishness. Both systems require some kind of motivation. The capitalist motivation is that you should take everything you can get, and relies on the argument that Socialism will not be able to work because people won't have anything to work for.
The capitalist motivtion IS NOT that they want to take everything they can get. It's a simple common sense merit system where the work effort put forth will determine the quality of life you have. It has worked wonderfully, it is still working, and the only reason we are having all the problems with growing welfare system and a lower quality of life for the middle class is because of Democrats pushing a socialist agenda telling people they are owed a living from others.
The middle class is getting stuck with huge healthcare premiums and deductibles from Obamacare to subsidise lower income people. These high property taxes and income taxes are killing the middle class.
Do you see how it works when people no longer have to work hard to support themselves? They are being enabled to choose living off tax payers without doing the hard work it takes to get ahead. Those who work hard are asking themselves why because they are not seeng the better quality of life when their hard earned money is redistributed to those who believe they have a right to your money.
People no longer having to work hard? Are we talking about rich people like the Waltons who don't work at all. If so, I agree. The capitalist system worked great when the tax rate was much higher for the super rich. When the rich were taxed more they were willing to pay employees more money.
1. The left does not refer to the poor as minions. Just because the poor tends to vote for the left because they can give them a future does not mean that we are their "minions". Conservatives refer to the poor as the minions of the left.
2. Most poor people can never have a future is for the following reasons if capitalism stays.
~Without healthcare if they are injured, they are screwed.
Socialism: Healthcare to all (including the wealthy).
~They can scarcely go to college due to their lack of money.
Socialism: Free education to all (including the wealthy).
~If they are disabled, chances are they will have trouble finding a job.
I don't care about political correctness and the touchy-feely let's not offend someone, or hurt their feelings; I call it like I see it- they are minions, an mindless ones, too.
Ah, so we have a narrow minded, selfish, conservative? Only thinking he matters and not others? We need to be touchy when it comes to what we call people because words can cause issues. Hell, look around you! Look at how many teenagers and adults and even young children are committing suicide because of words. Nothing more and nothing less than words. Are you really going to risk harming someone like that? How do you know if they are emotionally stable? And the words issue is, we use those words as insults. Back in the day when everyone was even mannered and didn't insult people for the fun or for the sport of it, it was okay to use those words. But now they are used as insults and the sooner you come to that reality the better. This is coming from a previous bully and bullied.
