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Arguments:29
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Collective control IS centralized control

Our resident commies are avoiding this fact and refusing to answer the relevant questions which illustrate the point:


How do all the nations workers actually decide what to do with means of production? 


How  do they collectively decide who specifically does what specifically?


How exactly does the people determine what new means of production to create? 


If I build my own means of production, must I give it to the nations workers? Who do I give it to?

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I find that what the right-wing lacks in empathy and humanity, the left-wing lacks in logic and coolheadedness.

Side: Correct
EvilMarxist(27) Disputed
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I find that what the right-wing lacks in empathy and humanity, the left-wing lacks in logic and coolheadedness.

Then why is science predominantly left wing and science denial and religion predominantly right wing? Everything you say proves that you are a very confused right winger who hates socialism and loves capitalism but calls himself a "progressive" just to be an annoying hipster.

Side: Incorrect.
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Then why is science predominantly left

Science in general is apolitical. Economics favors free markets.

science denial and religion predominantly right wing?

Denial of biology concerning sex and pregnancy is a left wing problem. Denial of epidemiology crosses the isle, but is mostly a left wing problem. Denial of climatology is something the left pretends the right does when the right disagrees about untenable public policy.

While the right is more traditionally religious, the left is not without its faith (see a mirror about faith in communism).

Side: Correct
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Your two greatest obstacles are the facts that people respond to invectives, and groups are not a single minded organism. Communism provides no incentives and requires populations of individuals to act as one. Since humans are individuals who respond to incentives, a dictatorship must first be established to socially mold and reform the population to act as one without regard for incentives. The notion that this would work relies on the idea that human nature is entirely a social product and is infinitely malleable, which is also incorrect.

Since human nature is not infinitely malleable, populations of individuals are not single minded, and humans respond to incentives, communism can never make it past the dictatorship of the proletariat. A dictatorship which is wielded by the centralized representative of the “collective” and used to force that for which there is no incentive.

The promises of communism have always been in opposition to the nature of reality. It’s bloody history illustrates these outcomes. Modern proponents have no excuse.

Side: Correct
Mingiwuwu(1446) Disputed
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The Progressive movement is the Social Democrat movement. This has capitalism combined with social safety net. Not sure what's hard to grasp.

Side: Correct
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How do all the nations workers actually decide what to do with means of production?

They gather information about what resources are available and what needs to be produced and then they have a meeting and form a consensus.

How do they collectively decide who specifically does what specifically?

People do stuff and if they want to do other stuff they do that stuff instead.

How exactly does the people determine what new means of production to create?

Based on necessity or desire.

If I build my own means of production, must I give it to the nations workers?

No, you can go live in some secluded place and not participate in civilization if you want. But no one in their right mind would do that when you can have whatever you want and all you have to do is share your resources and services with others.

Who do I give it to?

It depends what you do. Mostly you just make it available for anyone who needs it.

Side: Incorrect.
Amarel(5669) Disputed
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Your two greatest obstacles is the fact that people respond to invectives, and groups are not a single minded organism. Communism provides no incentives and requires populations of individuals to act as one. Since humans are individuals who respond to incentives, a dictatorship must first be established to socially mold and reform the population to act as one without regard for incentives. The notion that this would work relies on the idea that human nature is entirely a social product and is infinitely malleable, which is also incorrect.

Since human nature is not infinitely malleable, populations of individuals are not single minded, and humans respond to incentives, communism can never make it past the dictatorship of the proletariat. A dictatorship which is wielded by the centralized representative of the “collective” and used to force that for which there is no incentive.

The promises of communism have always been in opposition to the nature of reality. It’s bloody history illustrates these outcomes. Modern proponents have no excuse.

Side: Correct