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Colleges are refusing to allow Conservative speakers! Talk about hypocritical intolerance.
Can there be any more proof of the total hypocrisy of Liberals and their goal of indoctrinating our youth? They tell you they want open minded tolerance for diversity, but as we see only the Politically correct diversity sanctioned by their thought police.
We witnessed the same thing in the IRS when they discriminated aganst Conservative groups. If you are not outraged by this, then you are the problem. Try looking in the mirror and ask yourself what freedom of speech is all about. Just because these thought police are pushing your ideology, you should have the common sense intelligence to understand things can change & you could be the ones being discriminated against. HELLO? Can you see this or are you mentally challenged.
We see this in our schools where Gay agendas are expoused while Religious expression is censored.
It's ok when Conservatives are offended by the Liberal agendas being taught to our children in schools but when it comes to Conservative opinions, they censor it!
It's truly so obvious & should sicken any freedom loving person. What kind of person has no problem with our Colleges censoring diversity of thought. News flash, Liberals are the minority in this nation but they controll the media and are arrognt enough to have no problem forcing their ideology on us all.
When you say you are not supporting Conservatives, ask yourself why? You have been indoctrinated by our Liberal media to have a negative knee jerk reaction to Conservatives.
Tell me what it is Conservatives do that bothers you so, compared to the party of late term abortions on demand and forced Obamacare.
Conservatives want our nation to cut it's debt? HOW TERRIBLE!
Conservatives want people to be accountable for irresponsible choices in life, not a lifetime of living off tax payers while refusing to stop the irresponsibility. Conservatives want the same things from able bodied people living off the tax payers, as do parents from their kids.... responsibility!
Conservatives want the freedom to own guns to protect our families, or target shoot, etc., etc.
Conservatives want freedoms to believe our faith and raise our kids as we see fit without being taken to court or called homophobes when we don't agree with Gay marriage. Or having our family owned business forced to cater events we do not agree with such as Gay wedding receptions, or KKK meetings, etc.
Conservatives are all about freedom to the people and a smaller corrupt Government controlling the people.
You have nothing to be ashamed about if you agree with Conservatives. Don't let the PC thought police indoctrinate your mind.
Why is it I never hear you talk against Liberal agendas, only Conservatives opinions. Do you live in some vacuum where issues do not bring out your concerns for this nation? Every person should be involved with all Parties taking your freedoms. Ask yourself who you truly are when it comes to politics. When there are only two Parties for President, who do you usually vote for?
I have fewer problems with Libertarians. They are much more similar to Conservatives & the GOP. They also believe in personal responsibility.
She has repeatedly said she wants a flat tax and smaller government. She has fought against liberal ideas more than you. You just fight against non Christians.
Do you not recognize how much you are limiting a rational debate? You are boiling everything down to a nonsensical "us vs them" dichotomy, fueled by conservative media. You are yelling at people rather than trying to have an actual argument because you are so assured that you are being persecuted, and you are only backing it up with straw man arguments. Why not have an actual debate on the matter?
Thank you. I also believe that liberal versus conservative presents a false dichotomy fallacy because one does not have to be either one. As a minarchist, I am neither liberal nor conservative. Good job being logical.
I recognize what you simply miss, or you are one of them. There is no rational debating with Liberals. They are clinically insecure arrogant eletes who truly believe they are the superior ones. They never admit when they are wrong no matter how clearly & politely you explain it. Many Liberals are a narcissistic bunch.
You talk about people who whine about being persecuted. That is all those on the left do. They constantly play up their voting blocks as the victims and the persecuted ones from White Rich Conservatives. It's all politics. Conservatives hardly ever complain about persecution unless it is done by the IRS, etc.
I bring up the college censorship to show the total hypocrisy of Liberals.
You are guilty of exactly what you accuse: You are so arrogant that you deem an entire group, MILLIONS of people, as "clinically insecure", based on personal bias. You aren't even willing to admit when you are wrong, which is exactly what you are accusing them of doing. How narcissistic do you have to be to assume that if they do not agree with you, then millions of them are insecure and have a superiority complex? That in and of itself suggests your own superiority complex.
Additionally, you are talking about being persecuted right here on this very post, so why are you deflecting? Are you incapable of having any discussion other than maliciously striking out at people who hold different opinions?
Do you not recognize that you are being amazingly hypocritical on a post where you are complaining about hypocrisy? Are you really this against having a legitimate debate?
I am telling you the simple truth of what I have experienced with every single Liberal I have ever listened to or debated. This includes you & every other Liberal on this site.
I am in no way hypocritical because I do not censor other's opinions nor do I support Liberal politicians who make laws mandating Liberal agendas. Conservatives believe in smaller Government & not forcing our views on the nation. I am all about freedom of expression & would never use the laughable lie of Separation to excuse censorship in public!
I have been bullied by both sides. Conservatives bullied me until I was suicidal, and liberals slandered me. Both sides are too dogmatic in their approach.
I have been bullied by both sides. Conservatives bullied me until I was suicidal, and liberals slandered me. Both sides are too dogmatic in their approach.
Bullied by a political party? Very vague. If you have nothing to prove how Conservatives have forced laws on you controlling your life, or forcing you to buy insurance, etc. or forced their ideology on you, just say so.
How about laws pertaining to homosexuals, such as the since struck down Anti-Sodomy laws, or bans against same-sex marriage? How about attempts to push religion into public schools, or get non-Christian tax payers to help pay for religious icons on public property? Just to name a few.
How about almost all of your posts on this topic, where you insult, belittle, and generalize everyone who disagrees with you or holds a differing world view?
They are clinically insecure arrogant eletes who truly believe they are the superior ones. They never admit when they are wrong no matter how clearly & politely you explain it. Many Liberals are a narcissistic bunch.
You fit this description perfectly. That's how you are a hypocrite.
Maybe someday when you can think rationally, you will see what the argument is all about. Conservatives do not try & tell other's what to support or pay for, or force all public schools to censor religious expression as long as it does not force others to participate. These same Liberals who constantly talk about intolerance toward others & open minded acceptance of diversity are total hypocrites. For you to defend them makes you totally brainwashed by their rhetoric. Liberals hate the very mention of moral values because they are total insecure people who think people are judging them. They go after anyone who dares mention moral values in public. Conservatives fight those who want to force their Liberal Socialistic Political correctness onto others. Liberals have become the judgmental ones who will force their moral ideals on us all.
Hogwsh to everything you say. YOU NEVER GIVE EXAMPLES WHERE CONSERVATIVES CREATE MORAL LAWS FORCING YOU TO BUY ANYTHING, OR MAKE LAWS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are like a child that just repeats what others say against them.
You are a Liberal no matter what you say, or you would not ATTACK those who fight against Liberalism. Is it so important to you to say that Conservatives do the same things Liberals do? WE DON'T! Why would you care if we did. You must be the zombie low end voter who lets the media tell you how to think & never take a stand for anything. All people like you do is complain against anyone who actually does take a stand. You are so small minded not to care when Government wants to take our guns, force us to pay for abortions, force us to buy Obamacare, IRS taking sides against the people, force us to censor religious expression in public, etc. etc.
What do people like you care about? You spend your lives attacking anyone who dares mentions moral values. Insecure Liberal!
Hogwsh to everything you say. YOU NEVER GIVE EXAMPLES WHERE CONSERVATIVES CREATE MORAL LAWS FORCING YOU TO BUY ANYTHING, OR MAKE LAWS TAKING AWAY YOUR RIGHTS TO DO ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anti-abortion laws. Why is it that you have specified moral laws? If conservatives don't create moral laws, but create non moral laws it is ok?
You are like a child that just repeats what others say against them.
Thanks for not reading what I wrote.
You are a Liberal no matter what you say
Oh, so you have no idea who is liberal and who is conservative. Why didn't you just say so from the beginning?
or you would not ATTACK those who fight against Liberalism.
That's not how things work. If you make my life harder by converting people to liberalism I need to stop you. It is like a really bad lawyer who asks the wrong questions and instead of defending his clients ends up proving the prosecutions case.
Is it so important to you to say that Conservatives do the same things Liberals do? WE DON'T!
I know, I was trying to point out that it is just you. Apparently you aren't a conservative.
Why would you care if we did.
Ooh, sounds like I am a conservative, doesn't it? Wouldn't a conservative care?
You must be the zombie low end voter who lets the media tell you how to think & never take a stand for anything.
This is really unfair man. You keep accusing me of throwing back the things you say then do stuff like this. You created this debate after seeing some story on Fox News.
You are so small minded not to care when Government wants to take our guns
I am pro gun. Your cookie cutter examples mean nothing to me.
Conservatives fight those who want to force their Liberal Socialistic Political correctness onto others.
I found it. This is the reason this guy is off. He is fighting specifically against Liberals. If Liberals are bad then he needs to fight em. But he doesn't have a solid position of what he stands for. That's why he seems so rabid and cartoonish.
Liberals on this sight should be aware that this debate is not representative of the Conservative position. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is a Liberal who is basically pranking the right.
Conservatives use my tax dollars to pay for wars that I oppose, so yes they do force me to buy something. I am all for a strong defense, but I oppose most of the current wars.
You are a Liberal no matter what you say, or you would not ATTACK those who fight against Liberalism. Is it so important to you to say that Conservatives do the same things Liberals do? False dichotomy fallacy. Liberal and conservative are not the only options. I will break it down: There is liberal which is on the left, conservative which is on the right, minarchist which is in the middle, and centrist which is also in the middle but with more government than minarchism. There is another option that rejects all forms of government and that is called anarchism.
You have incredibly limited experience, and you know that. It is unreasonable for anyone to make a claim about millions of people based on limited personal interactions. You are hypocritical because you are guilty of exactly what you are accusing others of being, in terms of elitism, ad hominem, etc.
And no, Conservatives do not believe in smaller government. They believe in limited economic interaction and increased social interaction between the government and the populace. Legislation on religion, "morality", and sexuality are perfect examples of big government conservatism.
If I know FromWithin, the example s/he is thinking if is not actually speakers being refused for 'being conservative' but rather for other reasons entirely, likely due to their stance being extremely inflammatory given the student population.
Maybe it's an anti-gay conservative speaker who wants to speak at a college that has a very high ratio of LGBT students.
Maybe it's a pro-life conservative speaker who wants to speak at an all-girls school with a strong feminist leaning.
Maybe it's an anti-immigration conservative speaker who wants to speak at a university with a high proportion of foreign visa-holding students.
I can tell you one thing though- it's something along those lines. No way is this flying simply because the speaker is 'conservative.'
S/he also seems to believe that freedom of speech means the freedom to say anything one wants, anywhere one wants to say it. Ostensibly s/he believes he has the right to walk up to the podium during the state of the union, interrupt the president, and spout hir own rhetoric.
You said maybe these are colleges with high populations of certain groups of people? HELLO?
Does it matter? That is the entire point. I thought Colleges were suppose to encourage diverse thought and differing opinions on issues, not censor the other side. Colleges are suppose to make students THINK and question what those in power want them to believe! You did not know this?
As always, Liberals want one thought, one collective, no diversity other than those who agree.
You said maybe these are colleges with high populations of certain groups of people? HELLO?
Does it matter? That is the entire point.I thought Colleges were suppose to encourage diverse thought and differing opinions on issues, not censor the other side. Colleges are suppose to make students THINK and question what those in power want them to believe! You did not know this?
It does, given the fact that some schools have votes amongst the student body regarding which speakers attend. In these cases, it is not the college refusing to allow 'conservative speakers-' it is the student body. I suspect, given legislation on the matter, that it is highly unlikely that colleges are banning conservative speakers simply due to being conservative.
Show me one example where a conservative speaker is being refused for being conservative by a decision made by the college administration rather than the student body. Just one.
You said maybe these are colleges with high populations of certain groups of people? HELLO?
Does it matter? That is the entire point. I thought Colleges were suppose to encourage diverse thought and differing opinions on issues, not censor the other side. Colleges are suppose to make students THINK and question what those in power want them to believe! You did not know this?
As always, Liberals want one thought, one collective, no diversity other than those who agree.
Pot, kettle, black. You only want one type of thought and no diversity yourself, and you wouldn't be complaining if YOU had that.
This dispute is done with respect. I like you, but I want to point something out to you. You said: Maybe it's a pro-life conservative speaker who wants to speak at an all-girls school with a strong feminist leaning. I believe that feminists can be prolife. There is an organization called Feminists For Life. I feel it is a false dichotomy to say that one has to be a feminist or a prolifer. Maybe you can tell me if I am wrong. What do you think.
Just to clarify, what I offered was not an attempt to shoehorn either feminism or abortion stance into a mold for both. It was merely an example. I could just as easily have subbed the all-girl school for a christian school, and the conservative pro-life speaker with a liberal pro-gay speaker, and most would understand what I'm saying- despite the fact that there are gay christians. Sure, feminists can be pro-life, but such overlap is decidedly a minority.
Again you are living in total ignorance when you do not watch Fox news. It has been happening quite frequently over the past few years. It's been on the news but not the Liberal biased news.
Students in Liberal Colleges (oxymoron) have been protesting when their colleges tried to bring in Conservative speakers and the Colleges are caving in and canceling the speakers. You did know that Colleges are suppose to get students to open their minds & see all sides of the story, right?
You are obviously out of your mind. Colleges are suppose to be the enlightened ones who want to open the student's minds.
Who cares when some vocal protesters try to censor speech. That's like some idiot in the audience screaming at the top of their lungs trying to silence the speaker on stage. Are you one of those idiots? It's the college's duty to give free speech to law abiding groups & opinions.
Free speech does not include making people listen. If the target audience says that don't want to hear what the speaker has to say there is no reason to have the speaker show up.
Do you think it is censorship when a TV show gets canceled after getting low ratings?
Well when a TV show gets high ratings like Duck Dynasty, the Liberal left tries to demonize it, protest it, boycott it all in the hopes of getting it off the air. What was the terrible offense? One of the family members on the show DARED mention his faith & what his faith teaches about Homosexuality. HOW DARE HE EXPRESS HIS FAITH! Just one more example of the close minded intolerant Left.
For people like you & the others on this argument to deny it, makes you all look like total fools. You know when you lie & bury your head in the sand to what's happening in this nation, it is truly sickening.
Yes, you are right, the Liberals wanted to get shows with Christian values off the air. They always overreact because that is who they are. They are fanatical censors of any speech that goes against their ideology.
Freedom of speech does not cover the right for TV shows to stay on the air. You should know this, considering how much you are going on about about it. If people boycott a show, and it gets pulled, then that is the free market.
I thought conservatives were all about the free market?
Every argument I make is speaking to the intolerant hypocritical Left. What on earth does it matter about boycotts being legal & part of the free market. We are talking about an arrogant eletist Liberal Left that is bent on censoring any speech at odds with it's agendas. They are not tolerant of diverse opinions. They are intolerant hypocritical fanatics.
There is no monolithic "Left", first off. That seems to be your main problem: You think anyone on the left is all together in this vast conspiracy of yours, which is simply an attempt for you to lump together those who disagree with you in a way for you to more easily dismiss differing opinions.
On this very thread you could quite easily be characterized as a "hypocritical fanatic" who is "not tolerant of diverse opinions", and thus far your only response to that has been 'well I am not trying to censor anyone, but everyone on the left is!' which is, itself, an intolerant, fanatical claim that does not dismiss the concept of your intolerance.
Generalizing everyone who disagrees with you in such an offensive and dismissive way is quite elitist, by the way.
Fox news is not even in the same ballpark as most Liberal news outlets. Yes, Fox is more Conservative but they at least put out stories that are in the news & do not bury them as much. Fox is one TV news outlet. They are the ONLY Conservative news outlet on tv. All the rest are Liberal biased.
Fox news is not even in the same ballpark as most Liberal news outlets.
I know, I just told you that. ;)
Yes, Fox is more Conservative but they at least put out stories that are in the news & do not bury them as much. Fox is one TV news outlet. They are the ONLY Conservative news outlet on tv. All the rest are Liberal biased.
And it is unfortunate how bad a job they do. You don't have to put a conservative spin on everything. It would be good to have the other side of the story, but Fox does it in a horrible way.
To refer to an entire group (millions of people) as being bigots is, itself, quite bigoted. FOX buries and distorts stories just like all the other worthless cable media outlets. And no, not all of the rest are liberally biased, they are biased towards sensationalism, which will come across in different ways depending on the story. Excluding MSNBC, of course, which is just a worthless, overwhelmingly liberally biased network.
So tell me if I am wrong: Are you complaining that student populations that are highly political oppose other politically affiliated individuals speaking on the grounds? And you think this only occurs within liberal institutes?
And for someone who is calling for open minds, you sure seem to be prejudiced against liberals. Do you not see that in your posts?
It is a adorable that you seem to think that everything you say is so well-known and documented that you never feel the need to actually give examples of these injustices you accuse "liberals" of.
Nor do I think you would be terribly opposed to a gay rights speaker being denied a chance to speak at a Christian college.
We are not talking about private religious Colleges! I thought you understood this. Obviously religious colleges might not want certain groups such as radicals who kill Christians, speaking at their colleges. I would have no problem with Gay speakers at public colleges as long as they allow other groups with differing opinions to speak.
At my University there was a super right-wing religious group on a regular basis who would preach and debate with the crowd. The only time the University didn't want to let someone in was the Westborough Babtist Church. The Church wasn't banished mind you, there was just a counter protest organized.
Well, I am adorable, thank you but I digress. You are correct when you say I take it for granted that most people on debate sites should actually watch the news and know what is going on in the world! I don't sit at the TV screen with a pen & paper to record all the facts that these so called enlightened people require and I don't feel it is my duty to put out the exact quotes, the exact time & exact Colleges where these censoring bigots trampled all over our freedoms.
I truly believe most people on these sites know full well what I'm talking about & they indeed know what I refer to, but like good little Liberals, they deny, they lie, they distort the facts & refuse even knowing of what I speak. If it is true that they never hear of these stories, it only proves my point of how the Liberal media buries the stories that makes their side look like total close minded hypocrites. Once again I say watch both sides of the news, the shows that tell the Conservative side of the story & you will become a more balanced person with more facts of what is going on.
I take it for granted that most people on debate sites should actually watch the news and know what is going on in the world!
We don't use Fox News as our news source. That means we watch news and know what is going on in the world. People who use Fox News watch news and know less than before they started watching the news.
While we all wait patiently and futilely for FromWithin to give us examples, here is an example of a speaker with "liberal views" unable to speak on campus because somebody threatened a massacre if she spoke:
This is just part of the "conservative" war against an educated populace, and is false in my first hand experience.
I attend a State University in California where I study history full time, and I have for over a year now, and am a Senior about to begin post undergrad studies.
-At my University, there is a "College Republicans" club, which almost always has a table any given day. There is no "College Democrat" club.
-At my University, every single day, there is a table outside the University Union for a Christian Church handing out Bibles, and denying science (i.e., denying the fact that the earth is warming, and denying evolution specifically). The only "liberal" (or fact-based/science-based) alternative are the science classes that teach science; there are no scientists tabling anywhere near them.
-At my University, we had a speaker whose entire point to his speech was how bad Che Guevara was.
-At my University, there have been people with loud speakers trying to scare us about a "liberal" takeover of the Federal Government (funny, because the political center of American Politics has shifted so far to the right, we're practically back to where we were in the 19th century).
According to most "conservative" pundits, California is a bastion of "liberalism," where, if there were going to be "conservatives" not allowed on campus, it would begin at a California State University, however, as I have shown you through first hand experience, that is patently false.
If anything, there is a consorted effort by "conservative" groups to spread propaganda and misinformation on University Campuses to confuse the students.
DID I SAY ALL COLLEGES WERE DISCRIMINATING? Come back to Earth now & try addressing my point. There are Colleges today censoring Conservative speakers just as the IRS censored Conservative groups! Bury your head in the sand some more.
Only arrogant people like yourself believe you have all the answers. Only you would be so adamant about Global warming being fact! If Al Gore told you the Earth was flat, you would be the flat earther. Did you know our planet has not warmed for 18 years now? But of course you know everything, everything the Liberal media wants you to know. Try thinking for once in your life and understanding that big money environmentalists want you to buy into their agendas and change our laws. IT'S ALL POLITICS!
I understand you are still an ignorant young person who has not lived life and think you have all the answers, but let me educate you a little. If you get out in the world & get a nice middle class job, & start paying the extremely high taxes & healthcare costs to subsidize the irresponsble, you will become a Republican. Unless of course you truly are a Liberal ideolog. They never learn.
DID I SAY ALL COLLEGES WERE DISCRIMINATING? Come back to Earth now & try addressing my point.
You implied that when you said "our colleges" in your diatribe.
There are Colleges today censoring Conservative speakers just as the IRS censored Conservative groups!
This would be a wonderful time for your to produce evidence from an unbiased, credible source. Just because you said it, does not mean I should believe it. Right now this sounds like conjecture.
Only arrogant people like yourself believe you have all the answers. Only you would be so adamant about Global warming being fact!
No, lol. Not only me. all scientists world wide, and people with an education also believe it is happening because the evidence is overwhelming.
fact! If Al Gore told you the Earth was flat, you would be the flat earther.
Al Gore has never spoken to me in my life. However, I've been shown repeatedly by scientists, that te earth is warming, and any study written by a reputable scientist would show you the same thing. Stop being manipulated by politicians.
Did you know our planet has not warmed for 18 years now?
Actually, that is patently false. Go look at NASA's website, look at the facts and come back and tell me that again. If you think you know more about science than NASA, YOU are the arrogant one, because you seem to have no education.
But of course you know everything, everything the Liberal media wants you to know.
No. I just know the facts and have an education.
Try thinking for once in your life and understanding that big money environmentalists want you to buy into their agendas and change our laws. IT'S ALL POLITICS!
That would be fine if it were only these "big money environmentalists" talking, but it's scientists from all over the world. Our Republican/Democrat false dichotomy only exists inside the borders of our country. How does that explain, say, scientists from INDIA seeing the same sea level rise, glacial melt and rising AGT? Science is not a liberal conspiracy.
I understand you are still an ignorant young person who has not lived life and think you have all the answers, but let me educate you a little. If you get out in the world & get a nice middle class job, & start paying the extremely high taxes & healthcare costs to subsidize the irresponsble, you will become a Republican. Unless of course you truly are a Liberal ideolog. They never learn.
I am a 32 year old man, who served in two wars on your behalf, has worked in the construction trades, has FAA licenses to work on aircraft, and has a higher level of education than you do. I have done more in my life than you will ever do. I've saved men's lives, I've flown in dangerous weather conditions in Iraq to get the mission done. Don't you dare take that kind of attitude with me, sir. People like you have no right to act superior to people like me. So, get back on topic, or keep being a chickenshit and avoid what I say like you've been doing. I used to be a polarized "conservative" just like you. I understand how you think, I just reject it because it is mostly not based on facts, and I've learned that from my life experience.
So, if you were wrong in your conjecture about me (and you were), what else are you wrong about? Ask yourself that.
You are like a talking robot for the Left wing media talking points. There ARE scientists who are not in lock step with the Global warming activists. You do not hear of these scientists because you don't watch or listen to Fox news.
I repeat, our Global temperatures have not risen in 18 years. Spew your indoctrination to someone who does not follow all the news, just Liberal news.
You have done more in your life than I will ever do? LOL, you know what I've done? Like I said.... arrogant Liberal who think's he's better than all the little people. You are a polarized Liberal.
Can you explain why the overwhelming majority of the scientific community agrees on global warming, short of what you have to admit is a very small number of people, quite a few of whom (but not all) are influenced by money from oil and natural gas?
And why is it that you rely on ad hominem so heavily? If he is simply relying on talking points, you should be able to counter them, so why don't you?
Can you admit none of us have all the answers? So what do we have to enlighten ourselves? HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!
I already told you that 60 years ago the radical environmentalists and their SCIENTISTS were crying wolf, telling us all the devastating results in our nation's environment by the year 2000 if we did not make draconian laws preventing the use of fossil fuels.
IT NEVER HAPPENED! THEY ARE PROVEN LIARS! ONLY A FOOL would allow these same radicals to lie to us again & swallow everything they say as fact.
IT'S POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where are all the hurricanes? Where is that Global warming? Oh, that's right, they changed the name to climate change after their lies were proven once again. Spare all the people who know history, your ludicrous OVERWHELMING garbage!
Can you admit none of us have all the answers? So what do we have to enlighten ourselves? HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Oh good! That's my area of expertise!
I already told you that 60 years ago the radical environmentalists and their SCIENTISTS were crying wolf, telling us all the devastating results in our nation's environment by the year 2000 if we did not make draconian laws preventing the use of fossil fuels.
Well, actually the theory supporting the greenhouse effect comes from the 1890s. So, they've been talking about this for well over 120 years, and it exists on other planets as well as here, so the science is indisputable about the greenhouse effect, unless you want to deny that the Planet Venus has an AGT of 900 degrees fahrenheit (which it has).
As for your presumably false claim about 60 years ago, and the year 2000, we're already seeing mass extinctions from climate change. My friend is a biogeochemist at a University in Florida, and his research is on that very thing, so those damn environmentalists that want to keep the planet alive were RIGHT.
IT NEVER HAPPENED! THEY ARE PROVEN LIARS! ONLY A FOOL would allow these same radicals to lie to us again & swallow everything they say as fact.
As with my last reply, I've shown that it is TRUE. You should stop using argumentum ad hominem, because when you're wrong, and you call other people "fools" it makes you look stupid.
IT'S POLITICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where are all the hurricanes?
Are you serious? We have hurricanes every year. We had a polar vortex last winter that put snow in Georgia. We also have more superstorms and tornadoes. It's not politics, it's science and facts.
The planet is still warming according to observable evidence. The name was changed to facilitate ignorant people that denied science because they often use local anecdotal evidence like "it was cold here yesterday" to attempt to make a case against the most brilliant scientists in the world.
Spare all the people who know history, your ludicrous OVERWHELMING garbage!
I have a level of expertise in history that you do not (been studying it for about 25 years), and science is definitely right about global warming, just like they were over 120 years ago, except now there is plenty of evidence to support it.
Science is not a liberal conspiracy. Science is not political. Observable facts are facts. Please, if you have the capacity for abstract thought, and can at least comprehend the word of scientists, please look at what the NASA scientists have to say about that: http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
If you think you know more about science than the brilliant scientists who put a man on the moon, and you have zero education or training in science, you are incredibly arrogant.
Hogwash, the predictions from environmental control freaks have been wrong most of the times. Of course you can always bring up something that they predicted that came true. Everyone can do that!. I'm talking about serious problems that were going to affect our environment by the year 2000 & they were completely wrong as usual.
Did you bother looking at the link I gave you to the page that was written to explain how the science works by NASA Scientists? Or are you going to just keep ignoring the science and going party line?
Hogwash, the predictions from environmental control freaks have been wrong most of the times.
'm talking about serious problems that were going to affect our environment by the year 2000 & they were completely wrong as usual.
Those things happened, but let's pretend they didn't happen.
THE EARTH'S AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE IS STILL RISING; THE CO2 LEVELS ARE STILL RISING; THE SEA LEVELS ARE RISING; THE OCEANS ARE STILL ACIDIFYING; GLACIERS AND ICE SHEETS ARE STILL MELTING!
Please read the information that is written by scientists before you start railing against science again. You aren't arguing against the science. You're using partisan rhetoric (science is empirical, not political), and anecdotes. I don't think you understand the basics of the science here.
You are like a talking robot for the Left wing media talking points.
No I am not. I am talking like someone who is informed beyond a party line, because I do not belong to a party. You just think I sound like what you call a "liberal" because I do not sound like a robot for the right wing.
There ARE scientists who are not in lock step with the Global warming activists.
They are not reputable scientists, and are often hired by oil companies to "debunk" science. It is a fact that 98% of ALL SCIENTISTS IN THE WORLD disagree with you. So, you've got two percent of non-reputable scientists on your side. Oh, I almost forgot. Since 2012, there have been 2259 Peer-reviewed journals about climate change authored by 9136 scientists, and only ONE of them denied climate change.
You do not hear of these scientists because you don't watch or listen to Fox news.
That is because I get my science from scientists, not from politically biased entertainment shows.
I repeat, our Global temperatures have not risen in 18 years.
Spew your indoctrination to someone who does not follow all the news, just Liberal news.
What are you talking about? You can accept scientific facts and still be a polarized Republican. I did when I was a polarized Republican.
You have done more in your life than I will ever do?
Yes
LOL, you know what I've done?
You have no education, you watch lots of politically biased entertainment shows and pundits, and (probably) have never done anything for your country.
Like I said.... arrogant Liberal who think's he's better than all the little people.
Like I've said several times I AM NOT A "LIBERAL!" PLEASE READ WHAT I WRITE! Also, I do not think I am better than the "little people (how arrogant and classist are you, to use such a phrase)," because I AM one of the "little people." You're the one that wants poor people to suffer because they are (supposedly according to you), morally inept.
You are a polarized Liberal.
Once again for everyone in the cheap seats (this is the fifth time on this thread alone), I am not a "liberal," and I am not polarized. I am just interested in facts and what works. If the "conservatives" can come up with something that works, I would be in favor of it, but lately, all they've been in favor of is regressing to the 19th century socially and economically, and I cannot get behind that because, as a historian, I know how bad that was.
Let me repeat, you are a Liberal or you would not be wasting your time defending them. I would have better things to do than defending activists who you claim you are not one of.
Let me repeat, you are a Liberal or you would not be wasting your time defending them.
Let me repeat (do you even read what I write?): I am not a "liberal," I just care about what's true and what works. I defend the truth. Science has proven that the earth is getting hot and people are causing it, so I feel that it is my duty to humanity to convince people like you of the truth so that the world can have a shot at being a safe, habitable planet for humans for another 300 years. If the science supported what you think is true, I would agree with you, but it does not.
I DO NOT LET POLITICIANS TELL ME ABOUT SCIENCE. I LET SCIENTISTS TELL ME ABOUT SCIENCE.
I would have better things to do than defending activists who you claim you are not one of.
I am not defending activists. I am defending factual evidence that science supports. You are arguing against factual evidence and science.
As an educated man, I feel it is my duty to inform people like you, who have no education, of the truth (read Plato's Allegory of the Cave), in the hopes that the world will be a better place. There is not a "conservative" version of reality and a "liberal" one. If the planet is uninhabitable, "conservatives" die just like everyone else; this will effect you whether you believe it or not.
Dude. Are you here specifically to make Liberals look good? Present some damn facts. Or at least quote some smart people because you're not cutting it.
Do you live on some other planet? I have given you many many facts concerning the Liberal hypocrisy whether it be gun control, censorship of religious expression in public through the lie of separation of church & state, forced paying for abortions, forced buying of Obamacare, etc. etc. & you ask for facts? Do you ever follow the news or politics & see what the Left is doing to our freedoms?
I can not remember the names & dates of every news story pointing out College censorship of Conservative speakers. If you are so ignorant to what is going on in this nation, please don't waste my time. I don't lie & it is happening. Try watching Fox news & maybe you will hear the facts that are buried by the left wing media.
regulations balancing individual rights and public safety are not the same as the government coming for your guns.
censorship of religious expression in public
saying you shouldn't use my tax dollars to lead your kid in school prayer is not the same thing as "censorship of religious expression in public"
lie of separation of church & state
We use the phrase wall of separation between church & state to refer to the 1st Amendment - just like Thomas Jefferson did.
forced paying for abortions
Obamacare was written to comply with the Hyde amendment banning Federal money for abortion except in case of rape, incest or to protect the life of the mother and Obama issued Executive Order 13535 stating the same.
The provision of Obamacare allowing women access to birth control without a co-pay will likely reduce abortions and teen pregnanciesref
forced buying of Obamacare
mandatory insurance was a conservative "personal responsibility" idea, before it was a liberal compromise health-care plan.
I can not remember the names & dates of every news story pointing out College censorship of Conservative speakers.
Breaking news. Liberal institutions support liberal messaging the same way conservative institutions support conservative messaging. Seriously. Grow a brain.
They are not "liberal" institutions. They are learning institutions, where you learn facts and how to find the answers yourself. There are not "two sides" to astronomy, or "two sides" to writing or "two sides" to history. Just because science has shown that global warming is happening doesn't mean science is a liberal conspiracy. It means that "conservatives" should adopt facts into their platform to stay relevant. Fact is fact. If facts do not support the "conservative" agenda, that doesn't make colleges "liberal," it makes "conservativism" based on false principles that are not true or have never worked.
You are sooooooooo brainwashed! It matters not to you that our Global temperatures have not risen for 18 years? Those facts don't bother you? Those facts fly in the face of all the rhetoric you hear from the Left. If you don't think science is influenced by politics & big money, you are a fool.
You are not old enough to know that 50 years ago, Liberal Democrats and scientists were spewing so called facts that by the year 2000 our nation would be in a state of environmental disaster. Al Gore told us all that our ocean homes would have the waves lapping at their doorsteps from the melting glaciers. Just a few years ago they were telling us we would be having many many many Hurricanes hitting the US. We are having FEWER Hurricanes hitting our coasts. All proved to be false! Ignorant college students who have not lived life nor have lived the corruption & lies from Government to control their agendas, are so easily molded. THEY CONTROL YOUR SIMPLE MIND!
Facts mean nothing to Liberal's. It's all about money & power to push their Godless, socialistic, anti gun, anti business ideology.
Maybe you are too stupid to see each election cycle when the Liberal media starts putting out all the racial, feminist, Gay propaganda to try & paint the GOP as hating Blacks, hating women, hating poor people, hating the elderly, hating Gays, etc. & simple minds like your's eats it right up.
Aren't you embarrassed by calling liberals "socialist", when that would, by definition, mean they aren't liberals?
Not to mention calling liberals godless, when the majority of liberals are Christian, or the idea that anyone is actually anti-business, that gay propaganda exists, or the rest of the nonsense in that hyper-generalized post.
Do you even have a clue what it means to be a Christian? Liberals who call themselves Christians are so lost it is truly amazing. They don't truly believe in God, they believe in a man made God who they won't even call a man. They will tell you God could be a woman. Liberals support the choice of Mary aborting Jesus. They support aborting people God says he knows in the womb. Liberals want to censor any mention of God in our public lands. For you to call Liberals Christians shows how ignorant you are to the Christian faith.
I, unlike you, do know what it means to be christian: Believing in the divinity of Christ. You are falling victim to the no true scotsman fallacy, and a rather arrogant iteration of that, where you believe that if someone does not believe in all of the same aspects of your theology, they can not believe in the divinity of Christ.
You do not know what Liberals want, so why not form your own arguments, instead of lying about other people?
You just finally accidentally admitted the truth. Liberals do not believe in all of the Bible....... only those things that AGREE with their man made Christianity.
Tell us all oh enlightened ones how Liberals could possibly know which parts of the Bible are true & which are not? You show your arrogance to know better than God which parts of his word are acceptable. Like I said, the Liberal's religion is man made.
If man picks & chooses what parts of the Bible are acceptable, then the entire faith is lost & would never have one bit of truth. That is the goal of Liberals. To twist & transform Christianity to sanction all forms of man made Political correctness.
No True Scotsman Fallacy: "Anyone who does not believe in the bible like me is not a Christian".
That is the case for everyone of every religion, so you might want to stop right there. Nobody knows which parts of the Bible are allegory, which are historical, etc. People have different BELIEFS regarding it. The only "arrogance" I, a non-christian, have shown is that I recognize that humans wrote the bible, and humans are interpreting the bible. Your arrogance is referring to an ideology that differs from yours as a religion in an attempt to dismiss millions of dissenting opinions, not to mention claiming to have intimate knowledge of the religious beliefs of everyone who disagrees with you. How can you call other people arrogant when you are expressing so much arrogance yourself? Do you simply think that you have the authority to make such sweeping claims about every else?
So when was the last time you stoned a homosexual? Or a non-virgin Bride?
here is something for you to try - you keep repeating things like "our planet has not warmed for 18 years now" and "temperatures have not risen for 18 years", etc., and Rotbart keeps explicitly telling you that you are wrong; why not do some research to find out whether (or, more aptly, why) you are wrong...
If, say, the truth is that the 18 year trend involved is actually the Global Mean "Surface" Temperature - noting that "surface" specifically excludes the known increase in sub-surface ocean temperatures, etc. - and that the GMST data was using estimates for artic temperatures rather than actual measurements and that satellite data shows those estimates were far below the actual artic warming over the relevant period.
If you study the research and find that not only GMST has been increasing, but that GMST specifically ignores other warming - might you question the sources that led you to believe "our planet has not warmed for 18 years"? Were they ignorant? Were they purposely misleading you? Or, might they be the ones "influenced by politics & big money"?
It matters not to you that our Global temperatures have not risen for 18 years?
As I said before, this is not true. If you go on NASA's website http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/, you'll see that Global Temperatures HAVE risen in the last 18 years. If you think you know more about science than NASA, you're incredibly arrogant considering your apparent lack of education.
Those facts don't bother you?
No because they aren't facts. NASA and every other reputable scientist on the planet disagrees with you.
Those facts fly in the face of all the rhetoric you hear from the Left.
Again, not facts. This is what happens when you get your "science" from pundits and politicians.
If you don't think science is influenced by politics & big money, you are a fool.
So, you think science is a conspiracy. That's interesting...
You are not old enough to know that 50 years ago, Liberal Democrats and scientists were spewing so called facts that by the year 2000 our nation would be in a state of environmental disaster.
And they were right. We're already seeing mass extinctions from climate change, and measurable sea level rise.
Al Gore told us all that our ocean homes would have the waves lapping at their doorsteps from the melting glaciers.
That's an over-generalization/over-simplification fallacy. He never said that exactly. However, we ARE, FACTUALLY, observing sea level rise.
Just a few years ago they were telling us we would be having many many many Hurricanes hitting the US.
We are. Moreover, have you seen all their super storms and snow in Georgia, and massive killer tornados at an unprecedented rate? At what point will you accept objective reality?
We are having FEWER Hurricanes hitting our coasts.
Not true. Look at NASA's website. Oh wait, you think science is a global liberal conspiracy, so that won't do anything to change your mind...
Ignorant college students who have not lived life nor have lived the corruption & lies from Government to control their agendas, are so easily molded.
See? You do not respect education. What "college students" are you talking about? I'm 32 years old, fought in two wars, saved men's lives, saw blood glow in the Iraqi moonlight, been to Afghanistan, known men who died, worked in construction trades, and have licensure from the FAA to work on aircraft. I am now a disabled veteran using my benefits to go to school. I'm afraid the "college student" you have in mind does not apply to most college students. I know that from actually going to college.
FW, I'm afraid that given you have never actually been to college, you should be listening to what I tell you about it, rather than telling me, the current college student, what I do.
THEY CONTROL YOUR SIMPLE MIND!
I'm not the one who believes everything a "conservative" pundit tells me over NASA scientists.
Facts mean nothing to Liberal's.
Given your denial of scientific, observable facts, I'd say facts mean nothing to YOU, and because you're always telling us you're a "conservative Christian," you're making "conservative Christians" look stupid.
It's all about money & power to push their Godless, socialistic, anti gun, anti business ideology.
This is argumentum ad poplam. You do not even know what socialism is.
Maybe you are too stupid to see each election cycle when the Liberal media starts putting out all the racial, feminist, Gay propaganda to try & paint the GOP as hating Blacks, hating women, hating poor people, hating the elderly, hating Gays, etc. & simple minds like your's eats it right up.
This sentence is counterintuitive to your supposed point (whatever that is). First you talk about how there's something called "gay propaganda" and then you complain the GOP is painted as "hating gays." If you think gay people have a secret agenda to begin with, you're a commercial for the GOP being homophobic; I don't need this "liberal media" specter to tell me that.
FromWithin, I've asked you this six times on different threads: what education level do you have, and where did you go to college? Don't be a chickenshit and avoid this. I double-dog-dare you to tell us what your (actual) education level is, and how much research you do from credible/non-biased sources on a daily basis.
Keep showing us all you total superior arrogance. Do you actually think going to schools where biased professors push their agendas makes a person intelligent? LOL, I've worked with thousands of college degree engineers, and many other professions & guess what. I would take a person with common sense working experience over any college grad. ANY TIME!
So, in short, you're uneducated and you don't respect educated people. That's all you had to say. Actually, you didn't have to say that because I already knew by your denial of scientific facts and inability to debate using facts and logic. Thank you for confirming that.
Thank you for admitting once again your superior arrogance to actually paint all people who did not go to college as stupid and uneducated. You truly show how STUPID you are. Narcissism is alive well in the Liberal community.
I took College courses to move up in my place of business. I had a 4.0 grade average on every course until I was promoted at work, & then I quit going to school. I already knew what I needed to be promoted but my employer like so many others wanted to see College courses on my resume. They are also indoctrinated to believe people should go to College for jobs that don't even require a College degree. The huge cost of college was in no way worth the degree. I learned NOTHING from those College course that I had not already learned on the job. But don't let that stop you from painting all jobs requirements in the same narrow arrogant light.
Thank you for admitting once again your superior arrogance to actually paint all people who did not go to college as stupid and uneducated.
I never said people who never went to college are stupid, they are just uneducated by definition. Education is a GOOD thing.
As for arrogance, I'm not the one who has no education in science and thinks he knows more about science than NASA.
You truly show how STUPID you are.
I am not the one who denies facts. You are.
Narcissism is alive well in the Liberal community.
Is it? I wouldn't know.
I took College courses to move up in my place of business. I had a 4.0 grade average on every course until I was promoted at work, & then I quit going to school.
Where did you go? University of Phoenix? Or a community college?
I had a 4.0 grade average on every course until I was promoted at work, & then I quit going to school.
Evidence of how much you value knowledge.
I already knew what I needed to be promoted but my employer like so many others wanted to see College courses on my resume.
That's because a college degree says a lot about a person's character and knowledge base.
They are also indoctrinated to believe people should go to College for jobs that don't even require a College degree.
Well, sure, but it doesn't hurt to have educated people working for you. It's good to reward hard work and dedication with higher pay and employment opportunities. Otherwise, it will create an unstable society.
The huge cost of college was in no way worth the degree.
That is argumentum ad poplam. The only reason the cost of education has gone up, is because of your GOPs war on education to create a pool of cheap, uneducated laborers.
I learned NOTHING from those College course that I had not already learned on the job.
Of course you didn't. You already "knew everything" before you walked into the room.
But don't let that stop you from painting all jobs requirements in the same narrow arrogant light.
I have no idea what you're talking about with this one.
Stop bringing up the word "arrogance" unless you're prepared to accept the words of people more educated than you when they talk about science (something you know nothing about, apparently). Arrogance is saying you know more about science than NASA when you haven't even completed a survey course at a community college.
I am not the one who thinks he knows more about science than NASA when I don't have any education in science.
Do you actually think going to schools where biased professors push their agendas makes a person intelligent?
Well, you've never been to college, so you don't know if professors are biased. However, I HAVE been to college, and I can tell you that most professors leave you wondering what their political leanings are. A GOOD professor does not reveal his or her bias. It is considered unprofessional to do so. Of course, you wouldn't know that, because you've never been to college. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
Being educated does not make you intelligent, but you need to be intelligent to be educated. So...
LOL, I've worked with thousands of college degree engineers, and many other professions & guess what.
That sentence should have ended with a question mark, but you wouldn't know that because you're uneducated.
I would take a person with common sense working experience over any college grad. ANY TIME!
Good for you. I would think the best thing would be an educated person with common sense, but that's just me. I actually respect education.
FW, your virulent hatred of educated people is a commercial for the GOP hating educated people; this is exactly why "liberals" think "conservatives" are ignorant, and are waging a "war on education."
Keep showing us all you total superior arrogance. Do you actually think going to schools where biased professors push their agendas makes a person intelligent? LOL, I've worked with thousands of college degree engineers, and many other professions & guess what. I would take a person with common sense working experience over any college grad. ANY TIME!
So would I. The more one is formally educated, the less common sense they seem to have. I believe this is do to the amount of time faculty spends patting themselves on the back for doing the job they were paid to do. Recently I went to my nieces graduation, it took less time to graduate the class then it did for the staff to hand each other their honorary degrees.
“The whole educational and professional training system is a very elaborate filter, which just weeds out people who are too independent, and who think for themselves, and who don't know how to be submissive, and so on -- because they're dysfunctional to the institutions.”
It matters directly to this conversation, because FW has never set foot on a college campus, and is making outrageous claims about what college campuses are like. Since he has no education, he has never been to college, so he has no first hand experience about it. His entire claim hinges on something her heard on Fox "News."
I am well aware that you can educate yourself. I was an autodidact for about 15 years before I went to college. I have to say though, when you're teaching yourself, you do not know what you do not know. Having a subject matter expert teach you helps to keep your education well-rounded and high quality because you learn EVERYTHING about a subject. Example: I spent, oh, about six years reading about Ancient Rome. When I took a survey class on Ancient Rome, I learned a hell of a lot because there was a lot I didn't teach myself about because I didn't know to do so.
I could care less about what they are purportedly "supposed" to be. What they are strikes me as more relevant. I am unfamiliar with any higher education institute that does not lean in some ideological direction or another.
I have a brain & that is why I know that the vast majority of colleges today are slanted Liberal with Liberal professors. Please spare me the denials, it makes you look like a fool.
I never posited any denial of anything. In fact, I acknowledged that liberal institutions support liberal messaging. I just added that this is neither surprising nor unique to liberal institutions. You may have a brain, but it is grossly underutilized.
If you are going to assert a claim, back it up with evidence. When you say "accept my claim or I will call you names", you preclude any chance of a legitimate conversation.
What level of education do you have? To make such a claim, you must have lots of first hand experience on University Campuses? Where did you go to school? University of Phoenix?
That's my point! But you will never hear Liberals admit what you just said! Can you grasp that simple point? Liberal intolerance & close minded bigotry against Christians & Conservatives is every where. They are hypocrites. Conservatives are not hypocrites pretending to be so open & tolerant towards people trying to force their ideology on us all.
Right... so your point is that liberals pretend to be tolerant and conservatives are just upfront about their intolerance. I fail to see the positive light that sheds on conservatives, but okay. And please, Christians and conservatives push their agenda down peoples' throats at least as much as liberals do.
I did not say that but thanks for twisting the meaning to fit your biased rhetoric. Conservatives are not intolerant towards other's. We want other's to STOP FORCING THEIR LIBERAL AGENDAS DOWN OUR THROATS! We want Liberals to stop forcing our Christian family owned businesses to go against their faith. We want Government to stop forcing us to pay for abortions, or buy Obamacare. We don't agree with Gay marriage and that does not make us homophobes. It is the Left that is Christianphobic.
Of course private colleges will not have speakers that go against the core of their beliefs. We are talking about public Colleges.
You just repeated the pure lie once more. Christians & Conservatives DO NOT FORCE THEIR AGENDAS DOWN PEOPLE'S THROATS! People like you keep spewing that lie and NEVER give any examples. Tell me what laws the GOP has passed telling you how to live & what to buy. You waste my time once more.
Actually, it is what you said. Of the two of us, you are the only one ascribing to a political ideology in a discussion about partisan attributes; tell me truly, which of us do you think honestly has the bias? I would like it if liberals and conservatives both stopped forcing their beliefs onto my life.
I too would appreciate not being forced to by health insurance, particularly with a health care infrastructure as problematic as the one we have. I too would prefer not to have to pay for other peoples' unwanted pregnancies (though I can recognize some situational abortions that would be in the interest of the collective to bear the financial burden of).
At the same time, I would appreciate it if conservatives stopped legislating their personal beliefs in to my life too. Opposition to same-sex marriage is a prime example (since you asked for one). I could care less what you personally think about homosexual relationships; at the point where you use that belief to legislate what other people can and cannot do with their lives you are forcing them to live according to your beliefs.
I could go on, but frankly I am disinterested in having to continue to reassert my non-partisanship to someone with such flagrant partisan bias that they feel the need to YELL about it.
You said maybe these are colleges with high populations of certain groups of people? HELLO?
Does it matter? That is the entire point. I thought Colleges were suppose to encourage diverse thought and differing opinions on issues, not censor the other side. Colleges are suppose to make students THINK and question what those in power want them to believe! You did not know this?
As always, Liberals want one thought, one collective, no diversity other than those who agree.
You said maybe these are colleges with high populations of certain groups of people? HELLO?
What group of people is behind this conspiracy theory you've cooked up? Which minority group are you going to say is behind a conspiracy to take over the banks and the government to destroy the one true nation of superior people? Wait. I think I've heard this before. I just can't remember where...
Does it matter? That is the entire point. I thought Colleges were suppose to encourage diverse thought and differing opinions on issues, not censor the other side. Colleges are suppose to make students THINK and question what those in power want them to believe! You did not know this?
That is exactly what colleges are, and if you'd ever set foot on a campus, you'd know that. They are places where you learn facts, you learn to find the answers yourself, and you learn to question those in power with the tools you gain; that is why "conservatives" (the ones that support the existing aristocracy and power structure), do not like higher education. "Conservatives" do not like people knowing the true nature of the world, and they do not like people knowing how to find the answers themselves. They want people to do like you do: believe what they are told, and never question. Education prevents that from happening.
As always, Liberals want one thought, one collective, no diversity other than those who agree.
I can't speak for "liberals," but I know "conservatives" do not like different ideas. That is what makes them "conservative." New ideas that question the power structure scare the aristocracy, so they have the pundits you listen to and never question tell you new ideas are something bad. That is why Glen Beck hates higher education; he wants you to hate it, and knows you won't question because you do not have a formal education.
LOL, you can not speak for Liberals?..... YOU ARE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How nice of you not to address the total hypocrisy of Liberals who do the very things you judge Conservatives for.
Why am I wasting my time with people who deny the simple truth of hypocritical Liberals. They all talk about diversity, open mindedness, free speech UNTIL that very speech & open mindedness allows the opposing message to be disseminated to the population.
The vast majority of our free press today has a Liberal slant & they 100% do control what you hear, just as some colleges are censoring Conservative opinions, just as the IRS censors Conservative groups.... and you say you can't speak for Liberals? Funny how you can judge conservatives & have no problem speaking against them. You are the hypocrite I speak of. Your %$#@ doesn't stink, only Conservative's.
LOL, you can not speak for Liberals?..... YOU ARE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No I am not. I just base my how I vote on facts, history, and what works. If the "conservatives" can come up with an idea that would actually work, I would vote for "conservatives." I've told you this before: I DO NOT BELONG TO A PARTY AND I HATE THE FALSE-DICHOTOMY THIS COUNTRY HAS. I think taking a "side" makes one throw their brain away, and lets someone else do the thinking.
How nice of you not to address the total hypocrisy of Liberals who do the very things you judge Conservatives for.
"Liberals" have their problems too, but that is not the group I am talking about in this particular instance.
Why am I wasting my time with people who deny the simple truth of hypocritical Liberals.
Why debate at all? The whole point to debating is to use facts and logic to change other people's minds, or at least spread ideas. I've often asked myself, "why do I waste my time with people who have zero education and believe whatever they are told by 'conservative' pundits," but it is because I also feel that everyone can be reasoned with, and everyone can understand facts, so I keep trying to reason with you, and try to debate with you. It seems as though you are ACTUALLY doing what you accuse "colleges" of doing. Think about that for a while. You will not allow facts to confuse you.
They all talk about diversity, open mindedness, free speech UNTIL that very speech & open mindedness allows the opposing message to be disseminated to the population.
"They" is almost never a good point of reference. Moreover, I've told you that this doesn't happen. So, why are you still talking about it? If anything, there is a concerted effort by "conservatives" to spread misinformation and propaganda on campuses, but then again, between the two of us, I am the one who has actually gone to college.
The vast majority of our free press today has a Liberal slant & they 100% do control what you hear, just as some colleges are censoring Conservative opinions, just as the IRS censors Conservative groups.... and you say you can't speak for Liberals?
This claim is false, and I cannot speak for "liberals" because I am not a "liberal." I am an independent who is capable of independent thought.
Funny how you can judge conservatives & have no problem speaking against them.
Naturally. If I hear something that is not true, I feel compelled to speak out against it. It has nothing to do with it begin "conservative." It has to do with it not being true. I have lots of things I say about "liberals" too, when it is not true. I am interested in the truth, not partisan politics. That may confuse you, and I am sorry for that.
You are the hypocrite I speak of.
Argumentum ad Hominem. Let me ask you this: when was the last time I used an argumentum ad hominem on you? I seem to be able to hold a debate with you, even when you use ad hominem fallacies on me.
You totally waste my time!
Is it because I am bringing the truth to the discussion and the truth does not follow the "conservative" narrative? You're silencing dissent and silencing other ideas-- exactly what you say "colleges" are doing despite of having never actually been on a campus, when I have.
Who knows more about what happens on college campuses? The one who actually currently attends college and has a degree? Or the guy who has never been to one, and believes what Glen Beck (who also has no education) tells him? It is like when people who have never served in the military, tell me what I did in the military. The concept is absurd.
I insult total lies & deception. To deny the obvious makes said person a fool. Even many Liberals admit the Liberal bias in our main stream media but people on this site pretend to be blind to it. That is not just stupidity, it is deception & lies.
Now, can you confront the points I raised? You're not debating right now. You're ignoring the points I raised, and you resorted to argumentum as hominem (as usual), which reflects your inability to reason, think critically, or debate at all.
If you are trying to make the extreme right wing appear intellectual, intelligent and educated, you're not on the right track. Everyone else is running circles around you while you just parrot Glen Beck, and say "Fox News," and "you're a fool" and "liberal media."
How about bringing some facts or logic to the table? I can do it, why can't you?
If you are trying to make the extreme Left wing appear intellectual, you are actually making my point time after time. You deny obvious fact when you play dumb to Liberal bias in most of our media. Try being honest if you actually want to show Liberals in any kind of good light. You are the poster child for arrogant eletist Liberalism. You spend your lives trying to transform America to your Socialistic ideology & then play stupid as if it is not true. Unless you are a complete moron, you KNOW of what I say.
You should try debating, since you're on a debate website.
YOU are the one making the extreme left appear intellectual by being a proud uneducated, superstitious, "conservative" that doesn't learn from history. You are the "conservative" base that they pander to.
The way debating works is: you make a claim, and back up that claim with evidence. If someone disputes you, the use facts to dispute your claim, at which time, if they haven't completely disproven your claim, you can use more facts to refute them. Think of debating as being an attorney in a courtroom. What you are doing (insulting people, and using partisan bumpersticker slogans as "proof") is NOT debating. Try debating.
So, as I asked at the end of my argument after which you just insulted me and brought up points that were irrelevant, could you please bring some facts to the table instead of dancing around the points myself, and almost everyone else raises?
If you are trying to make the extreme Left wing appear intellectual, you are actually making my point time after time.
First of all, what IS your point?
Secondly, I am not from the "left," I simply care about what works, what's right, and what's factual. If you consider that to be "left wing," then you're tacitly saying that you reject what works, what's right, and what's factual. You may be interested to know that there are things that the right tends to support that I also support, as long as it works, and is right.
You deny obvious fact when you play dumb to Liberal bias in most of our media.
No. I do not deny facts. You deny facts...I think. Although, when I present you with facts, you just insult me personally, or just start typing: "liberal, abortion, Christian, lies, spewing, GOP, welfare queen."
Try being honest if you actually want to show Liberals in any kind of good light.
I'm not a "liberal," and I don't care what kind of light they're in.
You are the poster child for arrogant eletist Liberalism.
This is argumentum ad hominem. Can you please provide evidence?
You spend your lives trying to transform America to your Socialistic ideology & then play stupid as if it is not true.
Do I now? That's interesting.
Unless you are a complete moron, you KNOW of what I say.
I don't even know what to say to this. What a fascinating diatribe!
Many speakers invited to colleges are White House representatives in any given year. When a liberal president is in office there will be more liberal speakers. When Bush was president there were way more conservative speakers than there are in recent years.
Hogwash. Funny I never heard of stories where the few Conservative colleges were censoring speakers while claiming to be so open minded & tolerant of diverse opinion. Do both sides do it? Yes, but Liberal Colleges are the complete hypocrites because they live and breathe as being the tolerant open minded ones.
Actually not. I looked it up. I actually did research. It is still skewed way more heavily in the liberal speaker side, but I said there are more than right now.
Funny I never heard of stories where the few Conservative colleges were censoring speakers while claiming to be so open minded & tolerant of diverse opinion. Do both sides do it? Yes, but Liberal Colleges are the complete hypocrites because they live and breathe as being the tolerant open minded ones.
Are you seriously saying that conservatives are better because they admit they are intolerant? That's insane.
You are correct when you say I take it for granted that most people on debate sites should actually watch the news and know what is going on in the world! I don't sit at the TV screen with a pen & paper to record all the facts that these so called enlightened people require and I don't feel it is my duty to put out the exact quotes, the exact time & exact Colleges where these censoring bigots trampled all over our freedoms.
I truly believe most people on these sites know full well what I'm talking about & they indeed know what I refer to, but like good little Liberals, they deny, they lie, they distort the facts & refuse even knowing of what I speak. If it is true that they never hear of these stories, it only proves my point of how the Liberal media buries the stories that makes their side look like total close minded hypocrites. Once again I say watch both sides of the news, the shows that tell the Conservative side of the story & you will become a more balanced person with more facts of what is going on.
Again you prove my point. You have been so brainwashed to hate Fox news, you can't see the total hypocrisy from all the others news outlets. THEY CONSTANTLY BURY STORIES THAT MAKES THEIR SIDE LOOK BAD! But you sit in your little indoctrinated world thinking only Fox news is biased.
There was a study done and people who watch Fox News scored worse on an assessment than people who get no news. It isn't brainwashing. It is actually true.
THEY CONSTANTLY BURY STORIES THAT MAKES THEIR SIDE LOOK BAD! But you sit in your little indoctrinated world thinking only Fox news is biased.
I never said Fox News was the only biased place. I said they weren't news, so you can't come on here and talk about something that you saw on Fox News and act like it is real. I think CNN may be more biased than Fox News, and MSNBC is definitely more biased, but it is toward celebrities over politics.
Yeah, if anyone asks you to provide that much information, then they're being unreasonable.
However, you're not being asked to do anything close to that. I can't recall you once even providing a simple news article (so that there is some particular instance to address).
Even if you're correct, if you doggedly refuse to substantiate your arguments with evidence then it gives people all the more reason to dismiss your claims.
Again I say.... what planet do you live on? I don't watch that much news but I hear these stories all the time. You must not watch Fox news so your are in the dark to what is actually happening in this nation. The Liberal media has done a bang up job on people like you who reuse to watch any Conservative news. Obviously you agree with the indoctrinated news fed to you so you refuse to watch the other side.
Again I say.... what planet do you live on? I don't watch that much news but I hear these stories all the time.
From who? 400 the cat?
You must not watch Fox news
Not regularly, and when I do, it's mostly for weather.
so your are in the dark to what is actually happening in this nation.
What, so liberal bias in media makes fox news watchable? I hate watching debates, rhetoric and partisan bickering. It makes me physically cringe (not out of disgust, there isn't an english word for it, but it's called Fremscham in german).
The Liberal media has done a bang up job on people like you who reuse to watch any Conservative news. Obviously you agree with the indoctrinated news fed to you so you refuse to watch the other side.
FromWithin, are you seriously convinced that everyone agrees with you but is lying to themselves? Do you not see that as an extreme form of arrogance? Do you truly believe that one can not disagree with you without lying to themselves? And do you not recognize that conservative media buries stories as well? All media does.
If you truly want to become balanced, don't watch any news "shows". Cable media is complete garbage.
Thank you very much! I've run into this behavior quite often but I've never known that what to refer to it as. I will be sure to use that in the future.
You are a perfect example of the naive self love no fault syndrome (I bring that up a lot). You blindly follow the Liberal no fault, no accountability, no moral responsibility mindset so you can conveniently shed any notions of guilt or accountability for one's choices in life.
Examples being issues such as late term abortions on demand for any reason(especially for Down syndrome kids the majority of the time). People such as yourself probably deny supporting it when electing Liberal politicians who keep it legal & even force us all to pay for it. You deny your culpability. You tell us how you are personally against it but will not elect politicians based on issues such as these. NO FAULT! The blood is not on your hands is it?
People such as yourself say you do not support Gun control unless it is for extreme weapons only, and then vote for the very politicians who have admitted they would take all our guns if they could. NO FAULT! You will excuse your support of taking our gun rights by actually spewing the rhetoric from politicians who say they only want so called "assault rifles" LOLOLOLOL. In New York, any hunting rifle that holds more then seven rounds is now illegal through the so called Safe Act! Yeh, much safer for criminals. Did you know more people die from hammers each year than Assault rifles? Maybe you missed it, many nations including Arab nations have laws not allowing the right's to own guns & we all see how their Governments control them. Government by it's own hideous nature wants to control the people, & getting rid of the guns is the first step.
When it comes to free speech, you say you are all for it, and then elect politicians who believe any religious speech in public places should be censored. You twist the actual words of the Constitution & say religious speech must be separated or it would be
Government establishing laws forcing us all to be Christians. I guess those daily prayers at beginning of Congress is forcing them all to be Christians. NO FAULT!
You will always have excuses why your %$#@ does not stink! IT IS SIMPLY NOT YOUR FAULT!
Now please dispute these words by saying you are not a Liberal, or you would not vote for "those" types of politicians, etc, etc. etc. Denial is a wonderful thing, it simply is not your fault for anything going on in this nation. It is always the Rich White Conservative's fault!
You are a perfect example of the naive self love no fault syndrome (I bring that up a lot). You blindly follow the Liberal no fault, no accountability, no moral responsibility mindset so you can conveniently shed any notions of guilt or accountability for one's choices in life.
Examples pls.
Examples being issues such as late term abortions on demand for any reason(especially for Down syndrome kids the majority of the time). People such as yourself probably deny supporting it when electing Liberal politicians who keep it legal & even force us all to pay for it. You deny your culpability. You tell us how you are personally against it but will not elect politicians based on issues such as these. NO FAULT! The blood is not on your hands is it?
People such as yourself say you do not support Gun control unless it is for extreme weapons only, and then vote for the very politicians who have admitted they would take all our guns if they could.
I can't vote, and I can't really see myself ever voting.
My vote would mean too little, and I'm not even confident that I can ever make the "right" choice, even if I am technically voting for someone to delegate upon policy themselves.
NO FAULT! You will excuse your support of taking our gun rights by actually spewing the rhetoric from politicians who say they only want so called "assault rifles" LOLOLOLOL. In New York, any hunting rifle that holds more then seven rounds is now illegal through the so called Safe Act! Yeh, much safer for criminals. Did you know more people die from hammers each year than Assault rifles?
Maybe you missed it, many nations including Arab nations have laws not allowing the right's to own guns & we all see how their Governments control them. Government by it's own hideous nature wants to control the people, & getting rid of the guns is the first step.
I personally don't support a ban on "assault rifles" (or magazine limits), and I think that the term is a silly semantic maneuver, but you can keep on chanting "liberal" if you like.
When it comes to free speech, you say you are all for it, and then elect politicians who believe any religious speech in public places should be censored. You twist the actual words of the Constitution & say religious speech must be separated or it would be
Again, I cannot vote, and most likely will never vote.
Government establishing laws forcing us all to be Christians. I guess those daily prayers at beginning of Congress is forcing them all to be Christians. NO FAULT!
What does that have to do with "no fault"?
You will always have excuses why your %$#@ does not stink! IT IS SIMPLY NOT YOUR FAULT!
Examples of my "excuses" would be nice.
Now please dispute these words by saying you are not a Liberal, or you would not vote for "those" types of politicians, etc, etc. etc. Denial is a wonderful thing, it simply is not your fault for anything going on in this nation. It is always the Rich White Conservative's fault!
Honestly, I cannot take you even the slightest bit seriously after you were wrecked by Rotbart.
When I mention naive realism, it comes from your insistence that anyone who disagrees with you on topics such as abortion, gun control, or economics is a money grubbing liberal who will not rest until the world functions in tune with their bizarre idealism. However, you have not provided any examples as to "excuses" that I've made about my contribution to the state of the world, in fact you've only continued to pepper your arguments with increasingly hostile insults.
If we did not watch news, we would be as stupid and ignorant as most of the Liberals in this argument. I say watch both sides of the news & any intelligent person will see which side is wrong or right. We don't have a choice to watch Liberal news because it is every where, on all TV sitcoms, on all news shows, on all Hollywood movies, & all media. If you want to hear the Conservative side, you must watch Fox news or listen to radio.
It is not arrogance when I am speaking of simple facts & you refuse to admit it even happens. You can not be that ignorant of what is going on in this nation... can you? The only possible conclusion is you are too insecure to admit it.
I don't feel it is my duty to put out the exact quotes, the exact time & exact Colleges where these censoring bigots trampled all over our freedoms.
It IS your duty, if you're going to make outrageous claims like you routinely do. Otherwise what your arguments amount to (and they do, if you pay attention) is name-calling and partisan rhetoric that no one takes seriously because it shows an apparent lack of critical thinking on your part. What's more, it's not debating when you do that, and you're on a DEBATE WEBSITE!
I truly believe most people on these sites know full well what I'm talking about & they indeed know what I refer to
Anyone who is familiar with the extreme right wing party line already knows.
If it is true that they never hear of these stories, it only proves my point of how the Liberal media buries the stories that makes their side look like total close minded hypocrites.
What stories? Why should I watch someone else talk about what I do all day? I go to school myself, and have many friends who work in academia, and NONE of them believe you. WE are the ones that know what goes on at college campuses, not you.
Once again I say watch both sides of the news, the shows that tell the Conservative side of the story & you will become a more balanced person with more facts of what is going on.
The problem lies in that you think there are "two sides" to objective facts. There are not "two sides" to reality. Reality is not "conservative" or "liberal," reality just is.
Conservatives do not try & tell other's what to support or pay for, or force all public schools to censor religious expression as long as it does not force others to participate. These same Liberals who constantly talk about intolerance toward others & open minded acceptance of diversity are total hypocrites. For you to defend them makes you totally brainwashed by their rhetoric. Liberals hate the very mention of moral values because they are total insecure people who live in constant fear that people are judging them. They go after anyone who dares mention moral values in public.
Conservatives fight those who want to force their Liberal Socialistic Political correctness onto others. Liberals have become the judgmental ones who will force their moral ideals on us all.
The majority of people on this argument are perfect examples of the naive self love no fault syndrome (I bring that up a lot). You blindly follow the Liberal no fault, no accountability, no moral responsibility mindset so you can conveniently shed any notions of guilt or accountability for one's choices in life.
Examples being issues such as late term abortions on demand for any reason(especially for Down syndrome kids the majority of the time). People such as yourself probably deny supporting it when electing Liberal politicians who keep it legal & even force us all to pay for it. You deny your culpability. You tell us how you are personally against it but will not elect politicians based on issues such as these. NO FAULT! The blood is not on your hands is it?
People such as yourself say you do not support Gun control unless it is for extreme weapons only, and then vote for the very politicians who have admitted they would take all our guns if they could. NO FAULT! You will excuse your support of taking our gun rights by actually spewing the rhetoric from politicians who say they only want so called "assault rifles" LOLOLOLOL. In New York, any hunting rifle that holds more then seven rounds is now illegal through the so called Safe Act! Yeh, much safer for criminals. Did you know more people die from hammers each year than Assault rifles? Maybe you missed it, many nations including Arab nations have laws not allowing the right's to own guns & we all see how their Governments control them. Government by it's own hideous nature wants to control the people, & getting rid of the guns is the first step.
When it comes to free speech, you say you are all for it, and then elect politicians who believe any religious speech in public places should be censored. You twist the actual words of the Constitution & say religious speech must be separated or it would be
Government establishing laws forcing us all to be Christians. I guess those daily prayers at beginning of Congress is forcing them all to be Christians. NO FAULT!
You will always have excuses why your %$#@ does not stink! IT IS SIMPLY NOT YOUR FAULT!
Now please dispute these words by saying you are not a Liberal, or you would not vote for "those" types of politicians, etc, etc. etc. Denial is a wonderful thing, it simply is not your fault for anything going on in this nation. It is always the Rich White Conservative's fault!
You say I'm full of hate? You are the perfect example of who I'm speaking to. Total no fault denial. You support the right to have late term abortions for any reason when you vote for Democrats, and you have the NERVE to say I have hate? I'm the one trying to save those innocent lives while you support the right to end their lives. WHO IS THE HATEFUL ONE? Talk about blindness to your own selfish inhumanity.
Every day is challenging to any person in this culture that has an ounce of humanity. I have hate towards no one. I believe in judging no individual, but holding all those responsible for taking our freedoms from us accountable on election day. Especially the freedom of life.
I have a rally titled "anyone can speak" that rally is about letting anyone speak. A speaker comes up and says he does not feel anyone should speak. SO what if it's hypocritical that we don't let him speak, he's plugging a different message than us, which defeats the whole purpose of our function.
It'd be ironic, but human nature tends to be that way often.
You sound like a naive college student that has yet to live life, pay taxes, support a family and understand the meaning of free speech for every law abiding citizen. Your naivety is shown by the fact that you accept when institutions can censor those you disagree with, but lack the intellect to understand it could go the other way where institutions could censor those you agree with. If Colleges are not teaching this simple point, then WOW!
That is if you're looking at it on a grand scale, of freedom of speech for all. I'm looking at it on the smallest scale there is, which is literally having those saying something you disagree with, come to your function to say it.
If it's naive, I'll be that, but I'll be that with my small world views unopposed.
It is not YOUR function, it is a public college that is suppose to refrain from taking sides. Like I said, is your College teaching the students anything at all about America's freedom of speech & freedom to speak out on our beliefs & opinions. I suppose you were ok with the IRS taking sides against Conservative groups. WAKE UP! It can happen to you next time.
It is amazing how so many people on the Liberal side accuse Conservatives & Christians of being hateful when we speak of moral values. You say we are full of hate when we tke a stand agaist Liberalism & the new age Democrat party. We are full of hate? You are perfect examples of who I'm speaking to. Total no fault denial. You support the right to have late term abortions for any reason when you vote for Democrats, and you have the NERVE to say we have hate? We are the one's trying to save those innocent lives while you support the right to end their lives. WHO IS THE HATEFUL ONE? Talk about blindness to your own selfish inhumanity. You tell me which is worse, taking away the choice to end an innocent late term Baby's life(when it is not a life of mother or extreme case), or ending that innocent life? Which is worse?
Every day is challenging to any person in this culture that has an ounce of humanity. I have hate towards no one. I believe in judging no individual, but rather holding all those responsible for taking our freedoms from us, accountable on election day. Especially the freedom of life.
