Communism is a tool to enslave and control the people
Evil tool
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Dictators can be good
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Despite all the conservative attempts on this site to smear me as a liberal I emphatically believe communism as manifested in the real world is totalitarianism and should be opposed. I believe the only scenarios where anything remotely similar to communism has survived is in very small interpersonal communes, and even then it doesn't work forever and also has elements of entrapment to make it hard for people to leave. Side: Evil tool
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I emphatically believe communism as manifested in the real world is totalitarianism and should be opposed You are wrong about this. How can any economic or social system be changed without violence? Do you think the road between monarchism and capitalism was paved with flowers? How would you feel, as an American, if I began accusing you of totalitarianism for opposing the British occupation of your country? You killed thousands in the process of creating a new system of government and then began exporting that new system of government abroad, so does that make you a totalitarian? When a new system of government is proposed, you must fight not only the old system, but the full effect of its propaganda on other people. Side: Dictators can be good
You equate all violent revolution with communist necessity. Actually the share of revolutions which were based on transitioning to communism is a small percentage of the total. And I'm not objecting to violent overthrows for freedom, I WANT people to fight for their freedom. I'm objecting to doing it to create a superstate of central control which then owns everything and tells the people what they can and can't do. It is an appropriate parellel of communism to totalitarianism. The American and French Revolutions were not communist and they both resulted in greater freedoms for their peoples. The USSR and China in comparison were or are totalitarian states. There is a difference. Side: Evil tool
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I would love to say that your problem is ignorance bronto, but it is in fact that you are a self-deluded liar. I am just perplexed that anybody in the world could still be falling for your red scare bullshit. The things you say are not just false, but are regularly the complete polar opposite of the truth. The inventor of Communism, Karl Marx, spent his entire lifetime systematically deconstructing capitalism to show that it is a tool for enslaving and controlling people. That's the ENTIRE reason he invented Communism in the first place!!! While I'm not going to argue that certain historical dictators like Stalin and Mao have used Communist revolutions as mechanisms for their own personal gain, anybody who thinks Communism is synonymous with dictatorship or enslavement has absolutely no idea what Communism is, why it was invented, or what its intended purpose is. Side: Dictators can be good
What’s funny here is that Marx was wrong on every front. He was wrong about Capitalism, and time proves it out, but he was also wrong about Communism, as time has proved out. The Communism he envisioned that was free from dictatorship was not applicable to humans. Had he known anything about economics, he would have known thia. It is why his Communism never could exist. The closest we can get is under a dictatorship, which IS applicable to humans. There are lots of things promised by people like him. Promises of the free lunch variety. They are always meant to dupe the masses into funneling powering into the hands of the few. If Marx didn’t know what he was doing, it makes him more stupid than innocent. Side: Evil tool
I do not understand the 'evil tool' and 'dictators can be good' choice??? Communism is not a "tool" but a description of a society when everyone works according to his ability to promote the common good and where everyone receives according to his need. Dictatorship is a different question from communism. Side: Dictators can be good
When this description of society is promised as a means to mobilize the masses to ones cause, it is a tool. Historically, this description of society has never actually described any society (it’s in conflict with economics and cannot in fact describe society). Rather it has always been used as a tool for tyrants. Side: Evil tool
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