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Debate Score:38
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Communist countries aren't communist

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falsified wanker doodle

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3 points

Traditionally, it is true that they have not been Communist, but rather much closer to fascist. The problem seems to be on the question of the role of the state. You see, it was always Marx's idea for the people to take back what is rightfully theirs from the capitalist class, but this requires the political education and eventual revolution of the proletariat. Of course, capitalists work to the antithesis and try to keep the proletariat as stupid as possible because that is what suits their needs. Anyway, I digress...

Ultimately, the problem in Communist countries has been twofold. Firstly, the interference of foreign state powers such as the United States. And secondly, short term management of resources. Marx believed the state would gradually "wither away" under Communism because there is no theoretical need for it. However, there is still a need for the state in the short term if power has been seized before the proletariat has become educated enough to favour the return of its own assets from the capitalist class. This is where Communism has come undone in the past, because it offers opportunistic would-be dictators the chance to seize power under the guise of being gatekeepers for Communism. We should remember that Communism is a theory about the decentralisation of power, and people like Mao and Stalin did the precise opposite of decentralising power.

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1 point

If you ask me, I think Mingiwuwu is a Marxist. He's also been 0 for 360 lately.

Side: true

Communist countries aren't communist

That's because the Socialist fairytale is bait, not reality. And you keep taking the bait.

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rogerfederer(11) Disputed
2 points

That's because the Socialist fairytale is bait, not reality

Bronto fails to mention that the only reason it isn't reality is because evil little corporate Nazis like himself have spent their entire lives lying to people about socialism, because they are frightened to death of losing their free ride. The free ride they get at the expense of everyone else.

Side: true
5 points

Bronto fails to mention that the only reason it isn't reality is because evil little corporate Nazis like himself have spent their entire lives lying to people about socialism

Or quoting the definition of socialism.

because they are frightened to death of losing their free ride. The free ride they get at the expense of everyone else.

I paid a buttload for college, got a job, fought for my country, ran a business and retired on enough to live comfortably.

You...live in your parents' basement, and will not be leaving anytime soon.

It seems that with all that white privilege, you would have zoomed by me by now. No huh?

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1 point

ANY country, communist, capitalist, socialist, that doesn't have a "Government of the people" and a free vote, is an authoritarian dictatorship. Any of them could be good under that "Government of the people". Democratic communism isn't practical I don't believe, Democratic capitalism MUST be controlled capitalism or greed will eventually take over. Democratic socialism w/controlled capitalism would be the best of all worlds with a true Government of, by and for the people. That's what America WAS … WHEN it was greatest! (Back in the 50's-60's). Still had other problems, but we had the time to work on them. Today, it's hard to work on them, there's too much greed blocking the way!

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Canibus(77) Disputed
2 points

ANY country, communist, capitalist, socialist, that doesn't have a "Government of the people" and a free vote, is an authoritarian dictatorship.

Government of the people= dictatorship of the proletariat

Capitalism= Dictatorship of the rich

Democratic communism isn't practical I don't believe, Democratic capitalism MUST be controlled capitalism or greed will eventually take over.

I see, so you think democracy isn't practical, and think that money still controlling everything with some extra government on top of it is democracy...

Democratic socialism w/controlled capitalism

Democratic socialism isn't capitalism.

would be the best of all worlds

The way you describe it, it would be the worst of all worlds. Same useless monetary bullshit with some more state slathered all over it. Where's the democracy in that?

a true Government of, by and for the people.

a true Government of, by and for the people means that there is no government.

That's what America WAS

Uuuuumm no. That's never what it was. It was always capitalism, with the government itself being little more than a corporation.

Side: true
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Your opinion is noted. We still disagree. At least I made choices. You, on the other hand, did nothing but complain about MY choices, didn't offer any solution. Apparently you don't like ANYTHING.

Side: true
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

ANY country, communist, capitalist, socialist, that doesn't have a "Government of the people" and a free vote, is an authoritarian dictatorship.

Just listen to Crazy AL speak but does not have a clue as to what it speaks about !

As the votes rolled in, one thing became increasingly clear. Hillary Clinton won the presidential election by a nearly 3 million vote margin, but lost the Electoral College by 74 votes—the greatest discrepancy between the popular and electoral votes in American history. The result spawned an uproar. “The election was rigged” and it’s time to get rid of it, the Los Angeles Times exclaimed. Before leaving the Senate, Barbara Boxer of California even introduced legislation that would replace the Electoral College with a popular-vote system.

https://www.thenation.com/article/the-electoral-college-is-even-more-biased-than-you-think-heres-how-democrats-can-beat-it/

What? AL you talking about a Free Vote when it is very apparent you are a FOOL !

Side: true
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

Again. A lot of talk, a lot of name calling, no solutions. I might remind you where "the election is rigged" came from …. the WINNER! The way HE was talking about it, it wasn't (by the Democrats!), truth is …. it HAD been "rigged", legally, if not democratically, largely by the Party he was running under …. (and has since destroyed)!

Anyway, if we can TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK, we have work to do on the election process. If we can't, we will likely have to start over … from the revolutionary days, to take our country back …. from the KING (And from the REAL FOOLS)!

As usual, an outlaw doesn't give a DAMN about anyone but himself, and his gun(s).

Side: true
Talkative(51) Banned
-1 points

That's the claim of every single commie every single time it doesn't work.

They hail a country going through a social revolution. Everything looks great (they ignore the mass murders) and it quickly descends to absolute hell where millions are dying, starving, killing etc. Then the socialists turn around and say 'That wasn't REAL socialism'. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Both Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders have continuously hailed so many countries from Venezuela to Sweden and then stop using them as examples once it becomes clear it doesn't work.

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rogerfederer(11) Disputed
2 points

That's the claim of every single commie every single time it doesn't work.

Well, Communists are generally the first to admit when something goes wrong. On the other hand, Capitalists like yourself pretend that there aren't really 13 million hungry kids in America. In fact most of the time you delusional cretins try to blame Communism for that too. When capitalism fails you just shut your eyes.

Side: true