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Communist: "We can't compete" It can compete without killing
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Communist leaders knew socialism couldn't compete so they advocated killing all capitalist

  1. "CHAPTER I The weapons with which the bourgeoisie felled feudalism to the ground are now turned against the bourgeoisie itself. But not only has the bourgeoisie forged the weapons that bring death to itself; it has also called into existence the men who are to wield those weapons — the modern working class — the proletarians.... Though not in substance, yet in form, the struggle of the proletariat with the bourgeoisie is at first a national struggle. The proletariat of each country must, of course, first of all settle matters with its own bourgeoisie. In depicting the most general phases of the development of the proletariat, we traced the more or less veiled civil war, raging within existing society, up to the point where that war breaks out into open revolution, and where the violent overthrow of the bourgeoisie lays the foundation for the sway of the proletariat. 

Communist: "We can't compete"

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It can compete without killing

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I have no problem with a violent revolution if a people are oppressed, and under the bourgeoisie much of the proletariat WAS oppressed. An Aristocracy is tyranny of the rich of and powerful, and it's something that can even happen with a Democracy (look at the Social Democracy of the West, where Corporatism and Big Government hurts the working class).

Communism and Socialism were a means of eliminating competitive drive, maybe because Marx felt that human nature is evil or maybe because he thought that for-profit tactics themselves were evil (idk, never read the Manifesto from beginning to end, but I do know that his views on human nature were kind of... ideal and unbacked).

But it's not that they can't compete... they just are against competition.

Of course Socialism, historically speaking, has turned out to be a terrible response to the tyranny of big government and big business. But, I don't really find it a problem to say that an Aristocracy must be taken down by any means necessary.

Side: Communist:

The creation of duel powers is viable in some countries.

Leninism has several problems with it that I can go into if you like, sadly Leninism is now the only wildly known form when there are many others. The range and diversity of Marxist thought is extreme, and the ideal form depends on material conditions.

The word "competition" suggests that the masses have control or can pick and choose their economic system individually. To a certain degree this can be true, but not to the degree the word suggests, especially under common material conditions.

Side: It can compete without killing