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Their History! I have PTSD take it down!
Debate Score:24
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Confederate monuments anyone?

Confederate monuments have been coming down like their nothing of value to society anymore. What is you're stance when it comes to these monuments should they be kept and admired to show history and what should not happen again. Or should we remove them and all the history that surrounds the monument? 

http://time.com/4904679/confederate-monument-removal/
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/08/16/us/confederate-monuments-removed.html
https://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/confederate-statues-removed-nation/2017/08/23/id/809422/
http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/18/in-defense-of-the-monuments/

These monuments and statutes have been sitting on pedestals for decades some even a century if not longer, they have their history. These status and monuments are their to remind us of that history. If we are reminded about it than their is a slime chance history will repeat itself. But by taking them down history is bound to repeat sooner or later. We have monuments for things we do not agree with and we have statues of people we most dearly dislike, but by taking them down we are taking the history also. These up coming generations are not going to know what slavery is or that it is bad if we erase history. If we are never told something is bad than someone is going to try it most likely. Before it was just the confederate flag and now it is the monuments and statues next it will be the history books than the internet will be cleansed of anything to do with slavery. 

https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/racial-slavery-and-abortion-in-america-how-history-repeats-itself

Their History!

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I have PTSD take it down!

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We have statues of black slave owners that are still up, and MLK was a womanizer who cheated on his wife multiple times with multiple women. The left doesn'teven know what it wants on statues because these people are lost little freaks led by elitist liberal freaks.

Side: Their History!
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@brontoraptor.

"We have statues of black slave owners that are still up, and MLK was a womanizer who cheated on his wife multiple times with multiple women. The left doesn'teven know what it wants on statues... "

I think you make some good points here bronto, there does appear to be some level of cognitive dissonance at work. My argument would equally apply to all statues/monuments.

Side: Their History!
2 points

First of all it should say "they're history".

And they are. They are history. For that reason they should be moved to museums, or to one park where the past can be remembered or discussed.

But do they automatically get to stay wherever they are now, forever? No. Because every generation of people elects their own government to enact their own agendas, and those agendas do change.

We should not erase the past. But we also should not be trapped by it.

Side: Their History!
1 point

But do they automatically get to stay wherever they are now, forever? No. Because every generation of people elects their own government to enact their own agendas, and those agendas do change

I don't remember you, me or the government voting for rabid libs to destroy statues. Perhaps I won't like the next liberalstatue and will gladly destroy it because its personage was of a womanizer who cheated on his wife many times. Someone like oh....MLK?

Side: I have PTSD take it down!
1 point

I think all this statue tearing down giving poor ol' Robert E. Lee a bad reputation.

Really though, I don't care about statues. Smash them all for all I care! I think it is disrespectful to the artist. I think it is really about certain people trying to remove their political party's historical ties to that time period.

God forbid the average person figures out who started the KKK.

Side: Their History!
1 point

"The Ku Klux Klan, commonly called the KKK or simply the Klan, is three distinct movements in the United States that have advocated extremist reactionary positions such as white supremacy, white nationalism, ... Wikipedia

Founded: December 24, 1865, Pulaski, TN

Headquarters: Harrison, AR

Political position: Far-right politics

Espoused religion: Protestantism

Founders: Richard R. Reed, Frank O. McCord, John C. Lester, J. Calvin Jones, John B. Kennedy, James R. Crowe

Allies: Aryan Brotherhood, Knights of the White Camelia, Nazi Lowriders, European Kindred"

~Google.

Why god forbid? Why not just put it out there?

Side: Their History!
TzarPepe(323) Clarified
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I'm certain that the Democratic Party would like to distance itself from its role in the civil war and the founding of the KKK.

It does after all, fly in the face of everything they claim to stand for these days.

They are still the party of racism,and their rhetoric gives them away. They've managed to convince people that the Republican Party is the party of racism...

I'm not a Democrip or a Rebloodican though, so they can fight with each other all they want. I really don't like Democrats though. They are obviously racist to me, and I'm not falling for their bull.

Side: Their History!
1 point

I truly admit that I hate agreeing with Trump, here, but a museum may well be where they belong. They absolutely are art, and destroying art bothers me. Honestly, I don't have issues with them just staying where they are, but I also agree that they do not stand for our values, and can see where some feel insulted by some of them.

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@NathanAllen.

Before it was just the confederate flag and now it is the monuments and statues next it will be the history books than the internet will be cleansed of anything to do with slavery. 

I don't see that this necessitates the same slippery slope that you imply. I think an argument can be made for transferring the more incendiary monuments to be preserved in museums if the respective communities majority agree. They should not simply be destroyed because that does whitewash history in a degree that could potentially become alarming (e.g. it is a similar concept to ISIS destroying historical monuments).

Side: I have PTSD take it down!
3 points

I think an argument can be made for transferring the more incendiary monuments to be preserved in museums if the respective communities majority agree.

I agree. I don't think they should be displayed in a position of honor per say however destroying them seems ridiculous. It would be better to move them to a place better suited for them, such as a museum or place where history is prominent.

Side: I have PTSD take it down!

You are not bad of a person. You are a responsible person. So I will have to agree with putting them into museums. That is a great idea and I would be more supportive of their movement if they where not about destroying history. They want them destroyed they don't care about history or how it effects our future. ISIS was a mistake the United States did not help with, we pulled most of our troops out and not enough where left behind to keep any such group from reforming. But these statues remind us of our mistakes that's what I am getting at.

Well math if you are like this in debates bedsides the gang up thing you are cool.

Side: I have PTSD take it down!
2 points

@NathanAllen.

"So I will have to agree with putting them into museums. That is a great idea and I would be more supportive of their movement if they where not about destroying history"

Agreed. Destroying historical monuments is an alarming practice that has occurred many times throughout history and interferes with our understanding and appreciation of the past. Now, recognizing that a certain chapter of our history may best be put behind us if a community majority agrees, then transferring this history into museums rather than a display of public endorsement is sensible in my view and preserves history.

Well math if you are like this in debates bedsides the gang up thing you are cool.

Thanks Nathan.

Also, if you are referring to my several day long argument with Nomenclature, the one thing that Nom is right about is how exceedingly foolish (at best) it has been/is of me to expend the energy on engaging him at such length when it was/is clearly going nowhere (and this has been quite irrational of me). I have not "ganged up" on Nom, I stated my respective points at length, some people read our back and forth and commented on what they thought. I am going to try my best to ignore Nom in the future, although this may prove difficult considering his wild claims, antics, and scams

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Nomenclature(1175) Disputed Banned
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They should not simply be destroyed because that does whitewash history

Lol. You disingenuous halfwit. Americans have their own version of history, as you have proven time and again.

Side: Their History!