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Debate Score:29
Arguments:24
Total Votes:30
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Consensual Child Pornography Should Be Legal

That is, if a child consents to be photographed in the nude or in sexually provocative positions, so be it.

Yes

Side Score: 17
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No

Side Score: 12
3 points

Fucking hell, what's the world coming to.

Anyway, I think yes, but not just for the reason you'd expect me to.

Child Pornography is a terrible thing right now because it is illegal. Many paralells can be drawn to Prohibition in this.

Should putting children on a bed to have sex with men she barely knows for money right? You give me a solid, scientific source as to why it's bad after that's been sorted out, I'll give you a wrong.

However, something else must also be taken into consideration. Prohibition, despite the government's best efforts, did not stop drinking. What did it do instead? Make all the alcoholics criminals and make one of the highest crime rates in U.S history. Banning Child Pornagraphy, despite the government's best efforts, has not stopped child pornography. What has it done instead? It's made it necessary for the children to be kidnapped and forced to do it, instead of recompensed and given health benefits.

That's from a purely pragmatic viewpoint. If you can give me a reason why it's not the best and safest, then I'll gladly listen. However, by saying something like "the child can't give consent." without any reason, you might as well add my retort "Yes, they can" on the end of it yourself. Both have the same amount of proof and logic to back it up. Saying something like "They are too young" will invite links with stories about how most 7 year old girls are more informed and intelligent than the girl at sorority you call a "slut"

Side: Yes
Melanin(84) Disputed
1 point

There's an error there. You don't have to force someone to do it. You simply do it in secret. Although, I guess, some people who would have simply propositioned them privately end up just taking it anyway. BUT, most of them who forced kids to do things would probably do it by force whether it was legal or not if the kid doesn't want to.

Side: No
FreeWill(120) Disputed
2 points

It's true that legalizing this kind of subject will not stop children from being forced into this. But at least it will be a lot easier to find and catch these criminals due to the fact that things which are legal are usually better regulated.

If porn was illegal, then it would be much harder to provide benefits to the "actors" due to the fact that you could potentially get arrested if you are found out. Added to the fact that porn would become a massive black market and you have a recipe for trouble.

Now, granted, child pornography is vastly less popular than the regular stuff for self-evident reasons, but it is still going on in this world, and that's the crux of it: making something illegal does not and will never stop it entirely, it just makes it a whole lot more dangerous for the perp and the victim.

I feel that, if child pornography was legalized, the added regulation and the reduced risk to getting benefits for both the "performer" and the director would make things a lot less dangerous for the child, and that's why I believe it should be legalized.

Side: Yes
2 points

Personally, I feel that if the "child" is aware of their actions, why shouldn't they be allowed to participate in a porn? They say that children in our era aren't mentally prepared for sex, because of how we raised them. I partially disagree. Our culture is evolving. Many children are aware of what sex is, and likely even pre-pubescent children know what sex is.

This doesn't mean they should be allowed to decide, though. Not all of them at least. I think those who are truly aware of their decisions should be allowed to consent.

Keep in mind, I wrote this under the assumption that "Child Pornography" extends to pornography involving anyone under the legal age of consent.

Side: Yes

It depends on the child's age. If they're like, 5 or 6, no. If they're like, 14 or 15, why not? Teenagers are aware of what they're doing if they do such a thing, and it's really not hurting anyone.

Side: Yes
1 point

With the doubly screening layers of the State and the NGO watch dogs (You could say the parent, but if they are letting their child do pornography I wouldn't say they are too protective) I agree with the notion that the world would be safer for children with a strict and heavily regulated market as opposed to an unregulated black market. Lets face it, being anonymous on the web is just to easy. Between virtual machines, proxies, uber-proxies like Tor, and legal security software the tech savy pedos should not have a hard time staying out of jail. It would be best if they had to do there business where everyone could watch.

Saying a child cannot consent does not justify taking away any legal protection they could have. Its also important to note there is no real evidence on the mental effects of consensual sex across generations since any experiment or study would be both HIGHLY illegal and no reputable academics would touch it with a ten foot pole to save their reputations.

Side: Yes
1 point

Its an interesting question. First it would have to be established whether or not having sex with a child is in fact damaging to children. Studies currently show that sexual activity between an adult and child can cause mental and emotional issues later in life. This in our society is an accepted fact, so in this time period, no it should not. However, psychologically speaking "sex play" between children manifests early in in a child's development as an exploratory and normal part of development regarding gender roles and society. So proposing a hypothesis, is it the social stigma of adult-child sexual relations: the "secret keeping", the "Scary" and desperate forms the abuse can take, especially from a repressed pedophile, and the extreme reactions and emotional upheaval after the revelation of the act, including but not limited to; the removal of the adult from the childs life, interrogation by the police or psychologists, or relocation that might cause the emotional scarring, rather than the physical act? Unfortunately the only way this hypothesis is testable would be if there was a society in which free and open sexual relationships where a mainstream occurrence. If it is proven that a free and open adult-child sexual relationship is not in fact damaging to a child's psyche, then child pornography either would be legal or we would have no use for it.

Side: Yes

Teens are still getting arrested for sexting, how is this protecting kids? It's not. Innate sexuality is normal and teens have every right to take/share pics if they choose. What's the mass hysteria? It's the human body, and teens know exactly what they are doing. They should also be encouraged to be proud and confident, rather than embarrassed by nudity.

Side: Yes
1 point

Pleasure is the ultimate good. The point of life is to experience pleasure and happiness. Sexual pleasure is one of the best kinds. Children can and do experience sexual pleasure, both with adults and with each other. Children WANT sexual pleasure, both with adults and with each other. Therefore, sex between children and adults + child pornography need to be legal as soon as possible without restrictions.

Side: Yes
1 point

Nope. Not a child. A teenager, maybe. An older teenager, yeah.

But NOT a child. They're easily convinced of things that they have no idea what's really going on. Though this is mostly the parents fault in my opinion. They tend to hide things from their children instead of informing them, and this cripples their understanding of things greatly.

Side: No
1 point

I agree.. what if they regret it when they grow up? I wouldn't want naked pictures of my boobless non formed self everywhere.

Side: No
TUSF(4) Disputed
3 points

If your argument is "What if they regret it", then there shouldn't be porn to begin with, because even adults later find themselves regretting being in a porn-flick.

Side: Yes
1 point

I suppose that you are right. They should be at least 15 or older though IMHO.

Side: No
Progressive5(79) Clarified
1 point

Just curious, why 15, what is magical about that particular age? Don't get me wrong, if 15 was/is right for you, I agree you should do it when you are ready and no one has any right to tell you different... But, that's actually my point, for myself, I started younger than 15. Yet others will decide to wait, the choice is individual and is different for everyone. Setting an age, doesn't really serve to "protect" anyone, it only serves to make teens criminals. It's overreaching laws like this that are actually doing the harm here.

Side: Yes

I believe in a lower age of consent, 15 maybe, but before that no.

Side: No
1 point

Like a child really knows whats right and wrong and what they're comfortable with. Pfft. That's the whole problem with it. Children can end up screwed up for life.

Side: No
1 point

I don't know if you are Mormon or what but in no way should a child be viewed by anyone in a sexual manner,even if the child okay's it, a child's mind is not developed enough to make such decisions of this nature, a child's mind does not develop reasoning or logic like adults until they reach a certain age when there hippo campus of the brain allows the mind to reason right from wrong.

Side: No
Progressive5(79) Disputed
1 point

Actually the hippocampus is primarily the memory part of the brain. Reasoning "right from wrong" actually involves the medial prefrontal cortex, the posterior cingulate and angular gyrus.

As to the age we develope the ability to reason, 7 years old is the age most experts would agree.

Although, there is some debate on the subject and believe it or not a very few have made the argument babies can tell right from wrong. Another small group suggests the age is in the early teens. However, there is very little evidence (if any) to support their claims.

Side: Yes
1 point

Children aren't old enough to make that kind of decision. They would eat chocolate and ice cream all the time if left to their own devices. I can accept that there are paedophiles that have those urges, but they must never act on those urges.

Side: No
1 point

No- it's corrupt and could damage their future reputation. It could also damage them- making them vulnerable to blackmail and bullying.

Side: No

A child cannot consent. And to be honest i don't support this to teenagers. I know people may consider teenagers to be an exception BUT after what i heard about Amanda Todd, i say no. Amanda Todd was a young teenagers who was bullied for her mistakes. She made big mistakes, stupid mistakes, and in the end she cost her life. She committed suicide because she couldn't handle the bullying.

I don't know what's right and what's wrong. But i don't THINK this is right. I believe there will be consequences, psychological and/or physical.

Side: No
Progressive5(79) Disputed
1 point

My sincere condolences to Amanda's family.

While I don't know the details of the case you mentioned, I can't help but wonder, why isn't the focus on stopping the bully? Why do you put the burden on the young teen that took her own life, by suggesting she did something wrong? Isn't that the wrong way to approach any bullying situation?

Like I said, I don't know the details but if she sent nude (or suggestive pics) and they went public, isn't the real issue here a lack of self confidence and worry of how society would treat her? Instead, if she wasn't ashamed of nudity/sex and perceived it as normal (which it actually is), this takes away the bully's power to hurt her emotionally.

A quote comes to mind, "the happiness of your life depends on the quality of your thoughts". Think about it, the issue isn't her "mistakes", it's how she felt about herself. Of course it is also how the bully reacted. The focus should be educating teens not to be a bully in the first place and giving teens the confidence to deal with bullies.

Side: Yes
1 point

Its an interesting question. First it would have to be established whether or not having sex with a child is in fact damaging to children. Studies currently show that sexual activity between an adult and child can cause mental and emotional issues later in life. This in our society is an accepted fact, so in this time period, no it should not. However, psychologically speaking "sex play" between children manifests early in in a child's development as an exploratory and normal part of development regarding gender roles and society. So proposing a hypothesis, is it the social stigma of adult-child sexual relations: the "secret keeping", the "Scary" and desperate forms the abuse can take, especially from a repressed pedophile, and the extreme reactions and emotional upheaval after the revelation of the act, including but not limited to; the removal of the adult from the childs life, interrogation by the police or psychologists, or relocation that might cause the emotional scarring, rather than the physical act? Unfortunately the only way this hypothesis is testable would be if there was a society in which free and open sexual relationships where a mainstream occurrence. If it is proven that a free and open adult-child sexual relationship is not in fact damaging to a child's psyche, then child pornography either would be legal or we would have no use for it.

Side: No
1 point

No it should not as child pornography majority of the time leads to pedophilia and rape. If a child as young as the age of 12 was openly able to post indecent and graphic images of his or herself on the internet then there is no way to stop that image being accessed by pedophiles and many other child predators. If a young adult that is of legal age to have sex for example sexts their significant other and it is consensual there is still a risk of that image being leaked and used for other purposes, this is why after all the law is in place on child pornography whether it be consensual or not there will always be a way of those images being placed into the wrong hands and used against the person in the future.

Side: No