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 Conservative values - right to life, reduce debt, respecting State's & individual freedoms (54)

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Conservative values - right to life, reduce debt, respecting State's & individual freedoms

You would think listening to those on the Left, that Conservatives are the lowest form of human life. Now I woud like to know what part of a Conservative's plank is so terrible whereby no Liberal would ever vote for them.
Lets look at the hideous beliefs of these vermin......

Respecting an unborn Baby's right to life...... hang that pathetic Conservtive from the nearest tree!

Having a huge concern over our 18 Trillion debt and our children's future..... sterilize that no good Conservative's children!

Respecting every person's right and freedom to dissagree when their family owned business is forced to cater things that are at odds with their faith, race, sex, etc. and respecting a State's rights to not change their marriage laws...... force that Conservative African American business to cater a KKK convention, and force every state to allow bigamy!

I could go on, but I would like to know what Conservatives have done so terrible to make you say you would never vote for them.






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You would think listening to those on the Left, that Conservatives are the lowest form of human life. Now I woud like to know what part of a Conservative's plank is so terrible whereby no Liberal would ever vote for them.

I have never heard liberals describe conservatives this way. We have heard you describe liberals that way though.

Lets look at the hideous beliefs of these vermin......

I can't imagine why they would hate you. You sound so lovable.

Respecting an unborn Baby's right to life...... hang that pathetic Conservtive from the nearest tree!

You hate birth control which is the only shown to reduce the number of abortions.

Having a huge concern over our 18 Trillion debt and our children's future..... sterilize that no good Conservative's children!

You refuse to understand the debt at all. You think PBS is the equivalent of nice cars and vacations. It really is the same as a doctor throwing 2 pennies a month into a wishing well.

Respecting every person's right and freedom to dissagree when their family owned business is forced to cater things that are at odds with their faith, race, sex, etc. and respecting a State's rights to not change their marriage laws...... force that Conservative African American business to cater a KKK convention, and force every state to allow bigamy!

You are on the side of oppression here. It had better explained to you over and over again and you still don't get it. Why wouldn't people hate you. Oh and you describe Christianity as the KKK when they deal with gays. So, you either hate Christians so much that you describe them like complete jerks, or you hate gays as much add horrible racists hate blacks.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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That was a whole lot of nothing.

You describe Conservatives the the way I just decribed.

I never said a thing against birth control.... gee why do I ban you?

To cut a huge debt like i said, every unneeded spending needs to be cut.

I won't even address your ludicrous remarks about Christians.

Another wasted post like this and it's ban time.

Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
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That was a whole lot of nothing.

In other words, you don't want to hear the explanation for why you are hated. I believe I mentioned that already.

You describe Conservatives the the way I just decribed.

No I didn't. I didn't say you were evil or that the rest of your ideas have no merit.

I never said a thing against birth control.... gee why do I ban you?

You don't want to discuss the one thing that is known to prevent abortions.

t a huge debt like i said, every unneeded spending needs to be

Your examples are worthless though. I ask you what is the point of saving 2 pennies a month and you bring up vacations and nice cars. Not even standard cars, nice ones. You lose your audience when you bring up the pennies.

't even address your ludicrous remarks about Christians.

Stop saying they want to lynch gays. Christians are good people and I will not stand for you saying that they are like despicable racists.

daver(1771) Clarified
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You caught my attention with your comment about not understanding the national debt. Do you understand how liberals view the debt and can you explain it to me.

Actually interested ------------

Mahollinder(900) Clarified
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Liberal here:

most of the federal debt is government owned: a mix of inter-state and inter-agency debt from federal bond issuances. That is, the government owes itself a lot of money. Of the total debt, a significant but not remotely debilitating portion is foreign debt. However, America is owed more in loans that it owes in debt to nearly a 9:1 ratio.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to reduce the debt. But it's not as significant a problem in the way that many conservative republicans suggest it is.

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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Who were you addressing with that question?...........................................................

Let me just be clear. I would absolutely vote for a conservative if I thought they were the best option. I evaluate my choices carefully, as I hope you do as well. But your premise that all liberals wouldn't even consider voting republican is ridiculous, and once again shows you assuming that everyone who is in the democrat party is identical, one-sided, and agrees with everything everyone else in their party says.

I have huge problems with both parties. I simply find more problems in the republican party than I do the democratic, and I can try to explain some of those problems.

1) First and foremost, the majority of the republican consists of white Christians who use their Christianity to guide most of their life. I was raised Jewish and currently identify as atheist. The simple fact that the conservative party is almost exclusively made up of those who do not reflect my belief systems, it's hard to feel as though they would be able to effectively represent my views. This is a problem with the democratic party as well, but less so.

2) The republican party has created a narrative of "Christian persecution," which to me, is frankly idiotic.

3) From an outward perspective, many members of the party appear childish, and similarly to the democratic party, often do not even attempt to compromise. This has been particularly apparent over the past 8 years. While Obama certainly made a lot of errors, he did try very hard to reach compromises with the Republican party, and was met with a lot of stubbornness, and, in my eyes, many rash and childish responses.

The party also currently appears somewhat weak; they are scrambling to replace a the speaker of the house, their leading candidate is a reality tv-star who clearly does not have interest in being president, and the next most popular candidate is a scientist who ignores/misinterprets 99% of the scientific data accepted by the scientific community.

4) I strongly disagree on fundamental social issues, particularly those in regards to race, sexual orientation, gender, etc.. It's no secret that the Republican party is anti-gay marriage, upset with education on gender identity, and all around not a friend of a majority of LGBT, black, and other non-whtie ethnic groups. That is a generalization, but there are too many social beliefs espoused by the Republican party that just seem completely illogical and ridiculous for me to be able to say I support those stating those beliefs.

5) Economically, I am very afraid of how much control big business and those that control the highest percentage of wealth in this country have over the world. I think big corporations are very bad, and people such as the Koch brothers have far too much power. While the free market is good, I have no problem with the government ensuring that low-income workers can have a fair opportunity to succeed. Those on the right are far too protective of those with large income for my taste, and this is coming from someone who has a fair amount of money himself.

6) I am afraid for the environmental future of our world. This is probably my biggest concern at the moment. There are still plenty of members of the republican party who simply deny the facts, without reason other than the fact that it would temporarily hurt the economy. And those who have begun to accept it still deny that the government needs to do anything about it. That is absolutely freaking terrifying to me. Both the fact that one could deny such obvious evidence and the fact that we may be aware of this catastrophe but not do anything about it is so ridiculously frightening to me that supporting it becomes just that- ridiculous.

7&on;) There are plenty of other issues that I simply disagree with. I think the death penalty is wrong and ineffective. Republicans tend to disagree. I don't think a baby post birth is the same thing as a fetus. Republicans disagree. I don't have a problem with the government working to make lives better for ordinary people. Republicans want the government to do as little as possible. I think it is naïve to keep marijuana illegal and unregulated. A good portion of the republican party disagrees. I think we should have more control on gun use, something that is obvious to me. The republican party wants to stay away from any sort of gun regulation.

And there are so many things that just seem obvious to me that the republican party disagrees with. Of course we should provide government sponsored health care. Of course we should allow marriage equality. Of course church and state should be separated. No duh we need to increase taxes.

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Obviously, there are plenty of problems with the democratic party. But i just have so many fundamental flaws with the republican party that it is simply less likely for me to vote for them. Would I vote for Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio over someone completely inept? Depends on the ineptitude, but it's not a given that I wouldn't. Would I vote for Ted Cruz? No.

outlaw60(15368) Disputed
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"I simply find more problems in the republican party than I do the democratic"

Hillary and Barney can't be a problem ? Are you for real with that !

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"I simply find more problems in the republican party than I do the democratic"

Hillary and Barney can't be a problem ? Are you for real with that !

Right. That was one of my points. Thanks for reiterating it. Of course Hillary and Bernie can be problematic.

I wasn't talking about any specific people, I was discussing the general values/beliefs of each party. And, as I explained in detail, I have a lot of problems with the general values/beliefs of the republican party.

The question of the debate was to explain why I would not vote Republican. That's what I did.

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...can you switch over to FromWithin? I'd actually prefer a real response to this one. xD

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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With all those things you don't like about Conservatives, there was not one issue as important as innocent life being killed, and a debt that will bankrupt our children's future. Do you have any concept of priorities in life?

You spew the same tired lies and rhetoric of how the GOP is only tied to big money rich people and corporations. Have you every heard of George Soros, the BILLIONAIRE Liberal who funds much of the Liberal gendas? Have you heard of the big money from Unions funneling into the Democrat coffers? Did you know that many times in recent elections, corporations gave MORE money to Democrats than they did to repubican candidates? Oh that is ok when it is something you agree with. You are either a huge deceivers of the facts or you are totally ignorant of what is going on. Try watching Fox news and hearing the other side of the story and stop drinking the koolaide. You sound like a talkng head for the Left spewing the same old tired lies.

You talk about the GOP not supporting gay marriage and all around not being friendly to LGBT groups? Maybe you missed it, Hillary and Obama were against gay marriage a few years ago. So what are you saying, that hillary and Obama are complete lieing phonies who only said they were against gay marriage to get elected? Yes THEY ARE COMPLETE PHONIES WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING TO GET ELECTED! The GOP is the much more honest party which has core values that do not change with the poll numbers.

The Democrat party is all around not friendly to Christian expression in public. They are the biggest hypocrites on this planet and excuse their censorship with the lie of separation of church and state. Do you remember Obama insulting Christians when he said they cling to their God and Guns? Gee, how would you have felt if a Republican had made remarks like that to Gays? Republicans are not such bigots as the Left. The Left leaning hollywood rich folks who always support the democrat party love making movies insulting Christians, but that's ok in your hypocritical world.

Economically, you must be the most ignorant person alive not to be very concerned about this HUGE DEBT! Don't lie and say you care if you vote for Liberals. They refuse to even talk about cutting the debt unless it is the military which most of them they hate.

Their only non answer to the debt is always the same.... TAX RICH PEOPLE...lol... Yeh tax the only people who create our jobs right out of the country. There is not enough taxes in the world that can reduce the debt without destroying our economy.

When you prove that the greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere are caused by man(which scientists do not agree on), then the GOP will be more concerned about a bunch of special interest groups who have been trying to stop emmisions for 50 years, long before any global warming and long before the global cooling they were talking about a few decades ago. Spare us all! Gee why are we not so concerned with special interest groups?

The GOP has nothing against Black people and you are a liar to say it.

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With all those things you don't like about Conservatives, there was not one issue as important as innocent life being killed

I think I agree with that.

Democrats who are pro-life do not equate a fetus to an innocent life. As such, saying that they support the death of innocent life is simply wrong. They do not morally support the death of innocent life.

Have you every heard of George Soros, the BILLIONAIRE Liberal who funds much of the Liberal gendas?

Yes, and as I've said, I have many problems with the democratic party as well.

But at least those on the democratic party are talking about trying to get this big money out of politics. I'm doing my best to focus on values/beliefs of the parties, not exceptions/particular people on either side.

Try watching Fox news and hearing the other side of the story and stop drinking the koolaide.

I don't watch live tv news. I get my information from newspapers, online news sources, and I look at both liberal and conservative news sources.

You talk about the GOP not supporting gay marriage and all around not being friendly to LGBT groups? Maybe you missed it, Hillary and Obama were against gay marriage a few years ago.

As I said, I am trying to discuss the general views held by a majority of the party, not by specific people in the party. I don't think you can legitimately argue that the democratic party, as of right now, is anti-gay marriage.

And while this is obviously not always the case, for the most part, I don't care too much about what people have said/have done in the past. I care about their beliefs and values and credibility right now, because Hillary Clinton from 2000 isn't running for president.

The GOP is the much more honest party which has core values that do not change with the poll numbers.

The GOP has changed massively over the years, as have the Democrats.

The Democrat party is all around not friendly to Christian expression in public.

The Democratic party is majority Christian. They simply support the first amendment, and view, as I do, that an excess of Christianity imposed by the government/state (in public schools, on our money, etc.) infringes on those who do are not Christian. Of course you're allowed to preach in the street. Of course you can't make preaching a part of public school curriculum.

Do you remember Obama insulting Christians when he said they cling to their God and Guns? Gee, how would you have felt if a Republican had made remarks like that to Gays?

How is that an insulting remark? And what exactly would a republican be saying in your hypothetical?

Economically, you must be the most ignorant person alive not to be very concerned about this HUGE DEBT! Don't lie and say you care if you vote for Liberals. They refuse to even talk about cutting the debt unless it is the military which most of them they hate.

I do care about the debt. I care a lot. And democratic candidates are talking about it. Just because you aren't hearing doesn't mean they aren't saying it.

We currently spend almost as much on our military as the rest of the world combined.

Trying to reduce that isn't the same thing as "hating" the military.

One of the quotes by Obama that I actually like quite a bit: "I'm not against war. I'm against dumb war."

Their only non answer to the debt is always the same.... TAX RICH PEOPLE...lol... Yeh tax the only people who create our jobs right out of the country. There is not enough taxes in the world that can reduce the debt without destroying our economy.

Right now, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Clearly the 'job creators' aren't doing much to help the shrinking middle class. Wealth inequality is disastrous. What is the solution from the right?

When you prove that the greenhouse gasses in our atmosphere are caused by man(which scientists do not agree on)

Scientists absolutely agree on this. Find me a credible scientist who does not believe climate change is affected by human activity.

long before any global warming and long before the global cooling they were talking about a few decades ago.

We've learned more, and things have gotten worse as time has passed.

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That highlights another key problem i have with the conservative party: This inability to change and grow. We are constantly learning more about the world, and about politics, and about what works and what doesn't. Meanwhile, the republican party continues to talk about the morals they hold strong to, and values that were true hundreds and thousands of years ago. I want to support people who evolve, who analyze, who think. Not people who simply have "core values that do not change with the poll numbers." Those poll numbers often change as people learn more, and find new opinions. As public opinion changes, it's often because people have learned more, and hopefully, those in charge have learned the same things.

The GOP has nothing against Black people and you are a liar to say it.

Didn't mean to say that they did, if I did, I'm sorry. I merely meant to point out that a majority of black, LGBT, immigrant, and other non-white/straight people tend to be democratic.

If any fool tells you that Democrats only want to tax the 1%, you are a fool to believe him becuase we have already seen that Democrats were fine with tax increase for people making $250,000 per year. Those were the "RICH" people who had to pay more!

"If you like your doctor and like your insurance plan, you can keep them"

"You will save $2500 per year with Obamacre premiums"

Democrats are liars and will say anything to get a bill passed or to get elected.

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I really dont know much about conservative policies but you seem to only be able to promote them by knocking the opposition. Are their policies really so hollow? Why not make a debate for once that promotes them in their own right?

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Well that was actually a post where you did not mindlessly insult me. What happened?

I just gave you the priority issues for Conservatives. They believe every innocent life deserves protecting. They want to stop this hideous debt before our nations goes the way of bankrupted Europen nations. They believe in our Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. Those freedoms being Guns, free speech, freedom of religious expression, freedom to diisagree with Government and not be forced to do things against our beliefs.

These are not hollow policies. They used to be the opinions of the vast majority of Americans until this hideous progressive movement came along and told us we could no longer express our Christian heritage in public. That was basically the beginning of the end for the America we once knew because from then on the sexual revolution replaced what once was a moral foundation lifting up good common sense moral values. That moral foundation being replaced with if it feels good do it, and you are no longer responsible for your irresonsible choices in life. You can now demand that tax payers support you no matter how irresponsible you are.

When I knock the opposition, I am explaining what they support and how it is killing this nation's core values.

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Not all conservative values are bad but many violate the rights of people that don't have the same ideology as they do. Abortion is one of those ideological differences because the group of cells sucked out at 13 weeks and less (most abortions) is not a life by definition.

Now when it comes to the county being in debt 18 trillion that is not a good thing at all but the blame lies on all members of the government administration. This is not just a Democrat or GOP caused debt. they both share equally in the mess.

I'm in agreement with the fact that government should not be able to force people in business to serve people they don't want to. It should be the decision of the business owner. On that note I also believe that states should not be able to have laws have a bias based on race, gender, religion, ect. State marriage laws should not be permitted to be gender bias in any state.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
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Why do you bring up 1st trimester abortions when the Democrat party sanction any abortion at any stage for any reason? Do you have any idea how ludicrous your excuses?

Who cares if the majority of abortions are 1st trimester when late term abortions are common place and now we find out that Planned Parenthood is even selling baby's organs taken from the aborted Babies. Does that sound like a group of cells to you?

The GOP has tried many times to ban late term bortions (unless life of mother, etc. ) only to have the Democrats stop them.

Conservtives have been talking about cutting that debt for decades but people refuse to elect them to get the job done. People would rather elect RINO Repubicans or Democrats who care more about pandering to the voters and giving them free stuff.

Yes both sides have helped create the debt, but Conservatives want to cut the debt.

Democrats have doubled the national debt in 7 short years!

So you must be for every state to be forced to allow bigamy? If you think state laws should not be biased against people who want to marry, you must allow ALL groups of people to be allowed marriage rights. That would include a man having 20 wives!

smilinbobs(590) Disputed
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In many states first trimester abortions are the only ones that are legal. That is a large part of the reason most abortions performed are in the first 13 weeks. I am not a proponent of elective late term abortion.

Conservatives talk about cutting the debt then start two wars in foreign countries, unfortunately wars cost more money than all of the social programs that they claim they want to cut. The truth is that Bill Clinton did more to cut spending than either Bush so it is not a Dem or GOP one sided activity. Both sides are equally at blame. Bush added huge amounts of government spending with new branches of government enforcers the TSA, NSA, huge increases in internal intelligence gathering positions. That is a multibillion dollar increase in spending. Neither political party is better or worse than the other.

As for bigamy as long as all parties are in agreement with the terms of the legal contract (marriage certificate) then there should be no reason to limit the contract to two people.