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 Conservatives want to inflict a nanny state on us. (14)

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Conservatives want to inflict a nanny state on us.

Conservatives want to inflict a nanny state on us. Not a kind and caring one but a cruel and controlling one. Sex before marriage? NO! Gay sex? NO. Gay marriage? HELL NO! Oral sex even between heterosexuals? NOPE. Straight butt-sex? ICK! Alternative religions? SATANISTS! Secularism? WAR ON CHRISTIANS! No spanking of children? BEAT THE LITTLE FUCKERS! Multi-multilingualism? NO COMPRENDE COMPADRE!

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It's true that in the sexual department, Conservatives are pretty lame.

But nanny state has to do with the left and right wing spectrum of economics. And no, Conservatives are far from it.

i will not dispute all your points, though. wrong debate.

Side: Not Really
hmicciche(660) Disputed
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What exactly is the role of a nanny?

It is to be a proxy for a parent, both in providing care and nourishment but also to provide training and guidance. The social conservatives want to be a harshly restrictive and punishing nanny. This is indeed the right debate. Fuck the social conservative nanny state!

Side: Fuck the social conservative nanny state
ThePyg(6738) Disputed
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you're just spinning a term to add to your own benefit. The term nanny state was created to describe the role that government plays when trying to provide completely for the people, only creating a dependent society.

Side: Not Really
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This is a ridiculous strawman resolve.

Most conservatives don't want to ban gay sex or strauight oral or anal sex or sex before marriage. They may find it immoral but they don't want to ban it.

There are almost no conservatives who want to ban alternative religions.

Keeping the spankinbg of children legal isn't nanny-statish at all - parents can decide themselves if they want to spank their children or not.

Having English as official language doesn't have anything to do with the nanny state.

Not allowing gay marriage doesn't have anything to do with teh nanny state either.

You can do better than that, Hadrian.

Side: Not Really
hmicciche(660) Disputed
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"Social conservatism is a political or moral ideology that believes government and/or society have a role in encouraging or enforcing traditional values or behaviors based on the belief that these are what keep people civilized and decent."

"Social conservatives in many countries generally: favor the pro-life position in the abortion controversy and oppose embryonic stem cell research; oppose same-sex marriage and other marriages social conservatives consider the establishment of to be contrary to traditional marriage; and the nuclear family model as society's foundational unit; oppose expansion of civil marriage and child adoption rights to couples in same-sex relationships; promote public morality and traditional family values; oppose secularism and privatization of religious belief; support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution, premarital sex, non-marital sex and euthanasia; and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency." [1]

Resist the social conservative agenda. They are trying to recruit and convert and pervert our children. Fuck the social conservative nanny state!

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism

Side: Fuck the social conservative nanny state
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Volker, how can you say that not allowing gay marriage doesn't have anything to do with the nanny state, it is just one more example of the government making your most personal decisions for you. See my expanded argument below.

Side: Fuck the social conservative nanny state

Absolutely, conservatives like to pretend that they are for less government but the truth is that they want to make our most personal decisions for us.

Yes, Volker, I’ll agree that conservatives are no longer actively trying to prohibit premarital or gay sex, but they fought tooth and nail against the reversal of the laws that did, it wasn’t until 2003 that the sodomy laws were taken off the books, and then only because the Supreme Court struck them down. Even after that, Texas tried to argue that the court decision only applied to heterosexual sex acts, it took further court action to decide the issue. In all likelihood none of this would have happened with our current, more conservative court.

And while it’s true that most conservatives are not trying to ban alternative religions, they are actively trying to make Christianity the state religion. Thirty or forty years ago, most Christian conservatives at least paid lip service to the idea of separation of Church and State. These days they are openly fighting against it. Many, probably most, conservatives are arguing that the US was founded on Christianity and that it is a “Christian nation”.

Many items on the conservative social agenda are basically religious issues. Gay marriage is being resisted because homosexuality is an “abomination”. Churches that that believe in Gay marriage are denied the right to practice their religious beliefs.

Abortion is also basically a religious issue. It’s difficult to profess that at the moment of conception the zygote is morally equivalent to a human being is you don’t invest it with some property more than the few cells that makes it up. That something is the soul, a religious concept if ever there was one.

I live in perhaps the most conservative state in the Union, South Carolina. Here, I can’t go shopping until after 1:30 on Sunday afternoon because the conservative local government officials think I should be going to church, presumably a Christian church since the Sunday “holy day” is a Christian concept. I also can’t buy alcohol on “the Lord’s day”.

When the government makes your most private and personal decisions for you, and when it encroaches on your decisions in matters of conscience, I consider that more, not less government.

Side: Conservatives want more government
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Fuck the social conservative nanny state!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Side: Fuck the social conservative nanny state