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Hello A,

Let me put it this way. I watched the body cam video from beginning to end. The thing that blows my mind, is that you and I saw two totally different things.

excon

Side: Unjustified
Amarel(4987) Disputed
2 points

What blows my mind is that neither you nor I have yet described what either of us saw.

Side: Justified
excon(12966) Disputed
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Hello again, A:

Ok.. I'm willing to go through this rigmarole again.. What I saw was an outta control gang of cops.. What did you see?

excon

Side: Unjustified
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I watched both videos, and I have to say, neither one were in the clear. Both were playing the macho game, the cops for not just giving a warning and escalating and the woman for being snide and escalating. If she'd have cooperated then I'd say she's completely in the right and should go after those officers for being so aggressive, she probably still could but now they can justifiably say she didn't work with them and went to push one.

Side: Unjustified
Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Both were playing the macho game, the cops for not just giving a warning and escalating and the woman for being snide and escalating.

You see them both as escalating the issue. Do you see an obligation on her part to not be snide? Do you see them as obligated to only give a warning?

If she'd have cooperated then I'd say she's completely in the right and should go after those officers for being so aggressive, she probably still could but now they can justifiably say she didn't work with them and went to push one.

What do you believe would be the outcome if she had cooperated?

What do you believe the outcome of this encounter should be as it is?

If both parties were wrong in some ways, in what ways were they right?

Side: Justified
Mint_tea(4031) Clarified
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No she's perfectly within her right to say what she did, in fact she kind of said exactly what I was thinking, they didn't find anything and now they are trying to find something. But there is a time and place for attitude. When the police are being pushy you cooperate then bring attention to them by complaining to their superior, you do something other than give them the reason they are looking for.

What do you believe the outcome of this encounter should be as it is? If both parties were wrong in some ways, in what ways were they right?

I believe they had the right to stop her or have her put up/throw out alcohol if it is beach policy that alcohol is banned or can't be consumed. They have the right to request that she submit to a breathalyzer. If she refused then they can proceed as law dictates, if she complies (and she did) and passed then they should have just issued a warning and been on their way.

She was right in complying, and she was fairly right up until she pushed one. Although I could argue that walking away would be resisting but refusing to provide a last name when she has passed the test twice isn't illegal. I think her attitude contributed to events though. It seems to me that both sides could have handled things better but in terms of who is more in the wrong, hmm....she made that tricky when she went to push. What are your thoughts?

Side: Justified
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If he was hitting the back of her head with reasonable force than it was unnecessarily dangerous. He should have just held her head down. Everything up to there was fine though.

Side: Unjustified