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Debate Score:68
Arguments:36
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Could China beat the USA in a war?

USA

Side Score: 41
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China

Side Score: 27
4 points

If China were to invade the USA they could probably beat our military. However, we would be impossible to occupy due to freedom loving gun owners(like myself). If the USA wanted to invade China, we would have a very tough time beating their massive military but we would have an easy time occupying them afterwords due to their docile populous. This is all assuming that it would be a conventional war of course. In a nuclear war both sides would obliterate each other.

3 years ago | Side: depends
Uspwns101(436) Disputed
6 points

China would never be able to invade the USA how would they get there troops here when we control the oceans and the air destroying all their ships before they get here and once they did they would be screwed. In a nuclear war China would be incapable of obliterating us because they lack the nukes to do so. They dont even have enough to wipe out the whole country. We however have enough to destroy China easily.

3 years ago | Side: USA
korii(8) Disputed
2 points

debate is about facts, elaborate more,for Wat shows that china can easily defeat the USA , because USA can one thing to defeat them and that the brain

3 years ago | Side: China
Uspwns101(436) Disputed
4 points

WHAT????!!!!! Make some sense man and now i must fill space.

3 years ago | Side: USA
3 points

China's military at this point is not even double the size of the US military our technology and numbers in every manner except infantry is incredible. The USA would simply have to use blitzkrieg to destroy China. Our military is also far more experienced than the Chinese military and the training disparity is massive. The only way China wins is a war of attrition which we simply would not allow. The US would have complete control of air and sea and it wouldn't ake long with our ridiculously powerful airforce to destroy the Chinese infantry.

3 years ago | Side: USA
Axmeister(4299) Disputed
5 points

"China's military at this point is not even double the size of the US military our technology and numbers in every manner except infantry is incredible."

It doesn't matter how big your infantry is, all China needs to do is conscription and the US will wish they're still a colony.

"The USA would simply have to use blitzkrieg to destroy China."

Or China would simply use Blitzkrieg to destroy you.

" Our military is also far more experienced than the Chinese military and the training disparity is massive."

U.S military haven't fought a real war in years, you've merely attacked smaller nations, the "experienced" soldiers are probably as skilled as the chinese soldiers.

"The only way China wins is a war of attrition which we simply would not allow."

I'm sure China can easily source allies in Asia, allies that could include Russia, India or Japan. At the moment they also seem to have the power to bail out the Eurozone. I don't think you could wear them down of resources.

"The US would have complete control of air and sea and it wouldn't ake long with our ridiculously powerful airforce to destroy the Chinese infantry."

You exaggerate America's power. You may have military bases across the globe but China's military is far more powerful and organised. Here's a link to show it:

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/18419

2 years ago | Side: China
3 points

USA without a shadow of a doubt. Not only do they have a larger support base among other countries and far more useful allies, but that aside they outclass China in many ways.

Economically China is heavily dependent on exports, most notably the USA. If the USA goes to war with China, one could assume they would stop all economic tradings with them and if they did, China would spiral into economic chaos. China is also simply unsustainable at the current period of time in comparison to the USA and would not be able to finance a war (especially considering that their economy is beginning to stagnate). It should also be noted that in social terms the USA has an advantage over China. Not only are many Americans patriotic, but they live in reasonably nice conditions, whilst many Chinese live in poverty. Quite simply, Americans would have more to fight for whilst it could be argued that in the midst of war many Chinese would question the ability of their Government to provide for them. Not only would this social breakdown lead to potential cracks from the inside out, but also lead to a less motivated country (something that is very important in wartime situations). One could also argue that the technological advances in the US are also superior to that of China. Some of you may argue 'but China has so many men!', which is true though in this day and age a million men can be killed from a few bombs without loss from the bombers. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying manpower is not important but in modern warfare it is not AS important as it was in history.

2 years ago | Side: USA
3 points

better weapons better tactics and much more better in building weapons faster than china and also in World War 2 USA had shemans against panthers and we still won.

2 years ago | Side: USA
2 points

This would be an extremely hard war to fight, because literally, all the things here are made in China. If we are with war with them, they are likely to cut off the trade, and therefore limiting the U.S supplies.

But america is my home, so I'm gonna have to side with the USA...

3 years ago | Side: USA
2 points

Exactly. And this is a BIG mistake, outsourcing of production.

2 years ago | Side: USA
link6065(732) Disputed
2 points

Not if the goal is to unify the globe. .

1 year ago | Side: China
1 point

It's a matter of logistics and force projection. The US has the means to mobilize and deploy hundreds of thousands of troops anywhere in the world in a matter of weeks. Moreover, they can sustain those troops as they have the logistical infrastructure to feed, fuel, and equip those soldiers indefinitely. The US has an incredibly powerful navy and airforce. In order to carry out a full invasion of the US, China would have to mobilize millions of troops, ships, and planes and hope the US doesn't notice via satellite else it interfere. They would then have to send this huge invasion force to the US inexplicably defeating the largest, most well trained and armed navy and airforce in the world. They would also need to have a huge supply fleet and infrastructure and resources to fuel the undoubtedly drawn out land war for the mainland. They would need to sustain their invasion fleet for multiple trips, unless they're going to build enough boats/planes for 750,000,000 soldiers. As things stand, China would be hopelessly outmatched if they attempted an invasion. I think the question is would China succumb to the US's superior airpower and logistical expertise if the US were to invade.

1 year ago | Side: USA
1 point

Not sure why you guys think Chinese infantry superiority would somehow trump US technological superiority. China just recently got their first Air Craft carrier and they bought it. US Naval force projection coupled with air superiority would prevent a massive invasion across the pacific which would be damn hard to cloak for the amount of troops China would need in order to have a successful invasion of the US. Not to mention in this scenario a Chinese invasion of the US would trigger NATO provisions for mutual self defense, as well as the US-Korean defense treaty. China would not just be fighting the US if they were to invade they would be fighting South Korea, the Philippines, and all of NATO....It should be noted the US and NATO members are China's biggest trading partners, the economic effect of an embargo from these two members would absolutely cripple the Chinese economy.

We are also forgetting China doesn't even have the navy necessary to even begin to undertake such an operation as an invasion of the United States, and the test bed for any Chinese attack against US interest is Taiwan, of which China will not invade due to US Naval Superiority in the region which would make an invasion near impossible to supply, and that is WAY closer then the US West Coast.

Numerical superiority in ground infantry can only get you so far. Without combined arms fire (major US military doctrine) it becomes damn near useless. It's great to have 1 million men fighting 300,000 as long as those 300,000 aren't calling in naval bombardment, coordinating with armored cavalry, air strikes, and artillery bombardment. It's a force multiplier effect and China currently has no answer to US Naval supremacy in the region especially not US Air Craft Carriers.

Besides both the US and China are nuclear powers, and even if it came to that the US could possibly limp on after a Chinese nuclear strike considering the disparity in nuclear arms is massively stacked in the US's favor, 1.2k warheads compared to ~250.

1 year ago | Side: USA
1 point

usa is the most powerful country in the world and just all the hilarious chinese mind it

30 days ago | Side: USA
2 points

Now before I start don't get me wrong i'd rather the usa win but it's about a 23% chance. China has a poulation of almost 1,400,000,000. 1/6 of the worlds population. The usa has only 300,000,000. Normally about 2% of a countrys population is in the army one way or another. But in. A war-time draft it cold be around 20-55% but with china's communist like government they could force on every able-bodied person to fight. About 70% so you can do the math youself and see that it would most likely be china to win. However it's very unlikely for a one on one war between any 2 countries especially these two the most popular among the world

2 years ago | Side: depends
1 point

Not only that but if the US was to invade China they'ld almost definatly take the route through neighbouring country's and with China's infulence as the flagship for Asia the US could find themselves at war with one of the most powerful continents in the world.

At this moment, China is also one of the only country's in the world who might be able to bail out the Eurozone, they could easily have countries like France and Germany (maybe even Britain) supporting them.

2 years ago | Side: China
Majorlowe(1) Disputed
1 point

"With China's influence as the flagship for Asia, the U.S could find themselves at war with one of the most powerful continents in the world"

You're joking right? China constantly bullies it's neighbors. The only ally they really have in Asia is North Korea, most Asian nations would most definitely side with The United States of America. One of our closest allies, despite WWII, is Japan, we also have The Philippines (U.S Territory) and Taiwan as well, plus many others. Those that are neutral, could end up siding with the U.S. Money talks, and the U.S is the richest nation in the world. And that is known internationally. It is also known that we have the most powerful and most advanced military in the world. If you were small nation caught up in the mix, who would you side with? I definitely would not want to be an enemy of the United States.

Also, China is not the only country that can bail out Europe. The U.S is technically the only one who can bail them out. You do realize that China owns only less than 8 percent of the entire U.S debt right? 2/3 of the U.S debt belongs to the U.S Government themselves, as well as American Investors, Banks, Civil Service workers and Military personnel through their pension plans. China's GDP is half the amount of ours. Oh and China has it's own set of debt as well, trillions by the way.

1 year ago | Side: USA
tjones101(1) Disputed
1 point

ok before you go to the math understand in was a us marine a us navy seal and a us green beret i have been all over the united states yes its population is only 389,624,126 and yes asia has over 3,987,645,126 yes there military is strong yes the do have nuclear warheads alot of them. but im going to tell you now in examplw in war world 2 at the end we launched to nucelar warheads that were atmoic on 2 diffreent countries in asia. no other country ever knew the us had a war head every other countrie pretty much crapped there pants. and just to think back then they thought because were small country they could take us down but the atomic bomb was the deal. i cant say what ive seen in action but i can say that we have the best technology in the world every othe rco0untrie is 50 years behind on the technology we have. but to this day we have devces that other countries have no idea about yes if nuclear war broke out we have 2000 more nuclear waqr heads then any other country besides russia. but our war heads are far more precise than theres the5rs are like the atomic bomb in 1947 our war heads are hydrogen bomb lithium bobms with twice the power as thiers.; also we are the only country that can launch a bowm from 10,000 miles away by touching a button every other country has to mailny fly or mainly operate by ship and be within 500 miles of there target causing us with a hugh warning hours beforee they could launch anyhow. the only possible way for any country to launch a warehead without us knowing hours ahea of time is by highjacking a us plane knowing us flightcodes arms codes and warhead codes and forcing a us captin to ferify by voice wich would niot happen there is no other way without the us knowing hours ahead of time. also just a little info we have technology to litteraly block a warhead launched at us causing it to exp-lode in the air or over seas away from land over 300 miles away like a green lasered electronic force feild that over runs the missle blocked the bomb forces it to explode as soon as it hits the feild line no other country has this technology every other country is us tanks from 20 years ago for gosh sakes. we are technology that causes every country to know not to even try and say they do we have the technology to stop it wich no other country really knows about just like the atomic bowm we launched 2 of them in 1947 ever country didnt even know there was such a thing so if theyn tried again we have technology they do not know about that wou;d be the same instince as world war 2 they would be in shoke of the technology we sercretly have. yes theirarmies are larger who care swe have the biggest air force the biggest navy and the most highley trained maned marines in the world casuing big advantages to the us in the earlie 1900 the united stated gave over 50 war ships to british columbia in exchange for peace between the us and them. we already have the largest navy and we gave 50 ships to british columbbia that we could claim back at any time. the us is the only country to fight in every war we are the only country to have military bases all across the world in war world 2 we had tropps in germany in japan in vietnam in so many diffrent places helping all these countries plus we still beat japan if we would call all of our troops all of our air force and navy with our technology just took all of them instead of fighting in 20 sdiffrent countires at once if we took them all and just attacked assia or africa or anywere there is no possible way for any country continent to stand any chance against us i know is served ive been there .

219 days ago | Side: USA
1 point

I believe they have us greatly outnumbered, I'm not sure how their expertise in fighting may be.

3 years ago | Side: China
2 points

to state china has 500000000 soldiers and they all receive the same training,and all it takes for china to defeat USA is to have a leader like Napoleon Bonaparte 1. no more......

3 years ago | Side: China
Uspwns101(436) Disputed
2 points

Napoleon did not win wars he lost them. If they really want a good leader for their style of battle which is throw troops at them until we win they would want someone like general Grant. He did do incredibly well until his fatal blunders in Russia.

3 years ago | Side: USA
1 point

the most clear factor is population and determination, Chinese are determined people

http://yeinjee.com/asianpop/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/winter-training-chinese-03.jpg check that out

3 years ago | Side: China
Nautilus(620) Disputed
1 point

It doesn't matter that the Chinese outnumber the Americans nearly 4.34 to 1, because the US has a large number of very powerful allies but they also spend much more on military then China does. The US spends 46.5% of the world military spending while China accounts for 6.6%. Not only current spending but the US has the economic capability to spend more than China ever could. The US has a GDP of 14.2 trillion dollars while China's sits at 4.99 trillion. If there ever was a war, the US could spend much more money on it, also the US contains most of the worlds weapons manufacturers and by far the most advanced military technology on the planet. Numbers don't really matter when it comes to modern warfare, the numbers game may have worked up until the end of WW2 as the soviet union almost single handedly won WW2 with while sustaining massive casualties, but now technology and money wins wars hands down if they are committed. All china has going for them is numbers, but the money, technology and powerful allies of the US would almost certainly defeat china.

3 years ago | Side: USA
korii(8) Disputed
1 point

ok fine you brought in you r GDP fine thanks for that but if USA spends that a year then how much does china spend on 500000000 soldiers a year without military equipment ,i mean that is the population of almost africa

3 years ago | Side: China
1 point

The chinese people are just too much to handle. You can't overpower them unless you have some high tech energy based alien multi advanced weapon. The chinese has copied all of the us tech uncluding electronics, weapons etc.

2 years ago | Side: China
1 point

For the nonce , China has risen into a gigantic force that would easily affect global economic balance , as USA does . Judging the aspect of military and financial , it has surely biased towards China ....

2 years ago | Side: China
1 point

For 1, China could create a vacuum cleaner effect by attacking Pacific Nations like Japan and Australia. This would draw the Americans to th Pacific Regions... but only to wear them out militarily. Whilst this primary theater of war is in operation a second and third theater could move from African bases to the east coast of America and West Coast simultaneously. If sufficient American forces are in the pacific to fight the Chinese the U.S homeland would be more vulnerable to a Landing party by sheer Numbers alone.

1 year ago | Side: China

They have been hacking us for over 30 years and we didn't even know it. A simple cyber attack.

219 days ago | Side: China

The hacking industry has evolved crazily, and we are not nearly as skilled as China is and they have the worlds best Computers, also Compared Chinese power as in weapons and Tactics.

Kung-Fu is taught to all of the chinese in the military Vs. American Martial arts which is taught to all the special forces

China: An AK variant vs. US M8 Carbne, there is a reason the usa changes weapons very few years because their last one wasnt good enough, the AK never gets changed and its easy to use

188 days ago | Side: China


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