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I Would Still Be Happy I Could Never Be Happy
Debate Score:48
Arguments:44
Total Votes:48
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Could You Really Be Happy In Heaven?

This is a debate for those who believe in the existence of Hell:

If you make it to Heaven but your spouse doesn't, could you really be happy in Heaven knowing that your spouse is down there suffering every day while you are up there in Heaven without your spouse by your side?

I Would Still Be Happy

Side Score: 24
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I Could Never Be Happy

Side Score: 24
2 points

By definition of heaven, I would have to be. 0.o

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
1 point

I believe that as human animals we create our own heaven or hell here on earth and when we are dead that's it - journey over.

So let's try and make this life the best we can as its the only one we are going to have.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
ewan146(7) Disputed
1 point

As I don't disagree with any of your points raised, I don't think you give reasons for the argument at hand. I also think that the points raised would be more useful on the other side of the debate

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
DKCairns(870) Disputed
1 point

Religion is based upon faith and belief so I claim the same right in my own existence and happiness.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

How long are you going to have it? So you believe you came from nothing and are returning to nothing? So nothing matters and all you really have is nothing?

I say you can't make yourself un-exist in death and you think you are going to prove that you un-exist in death.

You are right, you could never be happy in heaven because you can't get there the way you are going. All you can get is death the way you are going, and if you think that's heaven and that's what you want, that's what you will get...and you won't like it after you get it, in fact you will wish to the God you have rejected that you could get out of it but you never will because you are choosing it and your choice will be final soon if you don't reconsider what you are doing to yourself. You are propelling yourself away from God into Hell forever and God is trying to save you from it....but who knows, maybe I'm wrong, maybe God gave up on you and has already let you go your own way forever.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
DKCairns(870) Disputed
1 point

You have to believe that god exists to validate your argument.

Human animals created God/Gods/Deities/ Religion etc etc out of a need to give meaning to our existence.

I and many others do not need that to give meaning and happiness to our existence

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
1 point

My sins are forgiven, I'm happy now because I know it but the happiness I have now is nothing to compare with the happiness I will have throughout eternity in heaven when I am forever changed to be exactly like Jesus after my body of sin is destroyed and I will never sin again. I will forever give all the honor, glory, and praise that is due to my Creator who died in my place to be my Savior, and I will enjoy all the blessings of His Kingdom serving Him in perfect joy and freedom with nothing but love for Him and for all things, people, and creatures in His Heaven, when all discord of discontentment is forever consigned to the Lake of Fire from which no cries will be heard but the smoke of their torments will rise forever as a testimonial to God's goodness for making a way to forever keep His heaven free from discord forever and ever and ever......and there will NEVER be another rebellion against God heard among the living, because the living will be in Heaven and the dying will be in Hell where it belongs.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy

Yessssss, I think so..................................................................

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
1 point

If you make it to Heaven but your spouse doesn't, could you really be happy in Heaven knowing that your spouse is down there suffering every day while you are up there in Heaven without your spouse by your side?

Yes because you have your other brothers and sister in Christ and you get to see Jesus. There is no crying in Heaven, and no worry because it's taken away, but I know my spouse would make it to heaven because I plan on marrying someone who is a Christian like myself.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
1 point

Are your ideas about heaven based on hearsay or hard fact? How do the amazing claims of people who say they have been to heaven line up with the Bible's own description? And what will we do once we're in heaven? ... Finding the answers is simple: piece together the biblical details, sift out the popular myths, and you have an amazingly accurate picture of heaven, angels, and the afterlife ... That's what John MacArthur does in his classic, best-selling study with the simple title—Heaven .... http://www.gty.org/products/Audio-Series/175_Heaven < enjoy

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
CutMe(109) Clarified
2 points

Sweety... there is NOT hard evidence for the Bible... after all, you can't say there is if you say it's FAITH BASED.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
1 point

By stating that you would be sad in heaven because you miss your spouse, you saying that you love man more than God.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
2 points

That is, If I had to listen to the likes of Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaegart (sp?), and countless others who seemed to have a direct line to "the man". I'd rather be with Voltaire, Madison, Jefferson, Epicurus, Adams, Paine, Edison, Shaw...etc.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
2 points

You left out Jesus Christ because you are not man enough for Him. Any coward can insult television preachers, or insult me. You can insult Jesus Christ and be heard by the living as long as you have air to breathe. They are not your judges. Jesus Christ is, and you are trampling His blood under your feet and will stand before Him in Judgement He died for you to save you from Hell, none of the people you hold as your equals or inspirations can save themselves from death, let alone save you. You need to be saved or you will be lost. Claiming that you are as good as Jesus Christ won't get you anything but Hell.

God is offering you a direct line to Himself through His blood in Jesus Christ. To get in touch with God you have to admit that you are the one who deserves death and Hell and believe Jesus is God incarnate who took your death so you can be forgiven in His resurrection, and direct your lines (words) toward God and enter into agreement with Him.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
ewan146(7) Disputed
1 point

If you could prove that Jesus Christ lived, was born of a virgin, turned water into wine, died on a cross, came back to life and is the son of God, that would be great, maybe then we'll take you seriously

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
ThinkerLad(267) Disputed
1 point

I'm sorry, but while reading this is immediately presumed that you were mentally ill. Only an irrational, bible-spouting lunatic would write anything as absurd as what you wrote.

You appear to be on a debating forum, yet it would appear as though you have not debated the existence of what you believe in at all. If you were in a debate with Pfsr. Richard Dawkins, you would be one, speechless, two, educated and three given the opportunity to realise that what you call 'faith' is just a fallacy and is actually quite damaging.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
AlofRI(1832) Clarified
1 point

I "left out Jesus Christ" simply because I do not consider him the "Son of God". I admire what appears to be a "man" who truly existed, a charismatic one, apparently, and a man of good. Most evidence seems to reflect tht. The imaginations of zealots, I believe, have blown his life out of proportion and made him a martyr. I'm really glad that he (apparently) had a mostly good influence, both in the Christian AND Muslim religions. It's strange how the zealots of each see his position AND his words in different ways. When you mix thought with "gods", you usually get a lot of radicalism. Obviously there are confused radicals on both sides who get their "thought" from earlier radicals.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
2 points

Unlikely unless you really don't like your spouse.

I don't understand the point of heaven. What could you possibly do for eternity?

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

if you go outside and ask anyone their ideas of joy and happiness , they would talk of the joys they have in this present life (marriage, celebration etc.) but as the saying goes all good things must come to an end. This, you could say, is a trait of bliss. Now if we think of heaven, it happens in the realm of eternity. If we sit down and think about eternity, it is quite scaremongering, an idea of no end, no matter the amount of joy, is a frightening (and thankfully not true) place. Heaven is just hell in the clouds. Secondly the idea that a god could have the right to punish people for death, despite his mass genocide of the whole planet, bar a few people. If we're judging the morals on the bible (and I challenge theists to think of another), then this perfect palace of bliss is full of homophobes, slave masters and the entire westboro baptist church, all of which are not worthy of my company. Thirdly, the nerve of a god to separate family's for all eternity would be, in every sense, an eternity of hell for the family's.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

The only way you can really prove you are not a homophobe is to bend over for them and let them abuse you....unless of course you are not afraid to stand up against them, proving you are not afraid of them by being brave enough to die before you let them abuse you.

So are you bending over, boy?

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
ewan146(7) Disputed
2 points

I don't have to bend over to not be a homophobe, I just have to treat them as human beings, of which they are. I don't think you have a strong grasp of the English language as well, maybe that's something you should take into consideration

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

The question raises a problem for those who believe in the orthodox view that Hell is eternal, but there are many Christian intellectuals who reject the doctrine of eternal hellfire as a polarized opposite of heaven with biblical proofs in support of an alternative more unified outcome.

Two good examples are the theologian Karl Barth and biblical scholar N.T. Wright.

N.T. Wright on Hellfire
Side: I Could Never Be Happy
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
1 point

If there is no Hell, there is no reason for anybody to refrain from doing any evil they feel like doing. There is no reason for them to listen to you because you are teaching that they will be relieved from punishment. By your false teaching, even if they are Muslim murders or sodomizers of dogs and beasts, they are automatically forgiven.

The people you are quoting are teaching doctrines of demons from Hell designed to deceive people into believing they are exempt from punishment in death. The Bible says false teachers will receive extra punishment in Hell for leading people in their heresy, and it is JUSTICE from God.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
J-Roc77(73) Clarified
3 points

Actual quote;

If there is no Hell, there is no reason for anybody to refrain from doing any evil they feel like doing.

You're telling me that the only thing keeping you from offing people for shoes is thinking you will get punished for it?

Your schtick isn't for youth group is it? Is your fire and brimstone bit kind of like a "scared straight" type approach for wayward teens? You have to get them sooner or they will be prone to do things that you wish they wouldn't do; like ask questions.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy
14giraffes(85) Disputed
1 point

If there is no Hell, there is no reason for anybody to refrain from doing any evil they feel like doing….. The Bible says false teachers will receive extra punishment in Hell for leading people in their heresy, and it is JUSTICE from God.

So everyone should be inspired by fear?

According to modern psychology, fear is closely related to cruelty and hatred.

The alternative would be inspiration by love which requires a real transformation of the heart.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

The rich man and Lazarus .... Luke 16:19-31 ..

a testimony of one surprised to be in Hell ...

http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/42-212 ...

full context = http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122#p122

... enjoy

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

Not if someone I love was burning in Hell. I'd be one of those burning in Hell but I know how I'd feel about the ones I care for being hurt. I guess God wouldn't give me much of an option... I heard several Christians talk about how wonderful it would be to be in Heaven watching everyone else burn.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

Hell is the only afterlife I wish for myself and my spouse, I wish to spank her and let her know I am boss for eternity and her to accept me as her one true master, which I will have to fight many souls for the right of being.

In heaven, I cannot be the alpha male as Jesus is overpowered but Satan has some weaknesses and is hated (and heated) enough by God for me to bargain some counter-abilities to overcome him at some point.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

I could never be happy with all that square lot that are 'supposedly' up there. I'd rather be with satan rocking out and having fun

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
1 point

A place in the sky where you can never die? Hell no! The whole point of existence is to die! Immortality is illogical.

Side: I Could Never Be Happy
Jace(4528) Disputed
1 point

There is no point to existence whatsoever, and if there were I doubt it would be for that existence to end. You are describing an inevitability as if it were a purpose, without explaining why that follows.

The inevitability of death does not make immortality illogical, merely impossible. And, of course, if heaven really did exist as the prompt suggests then mortality does not exist and your argument would necessarily conclude the opposite: that mortality is illogical.

Side: I Would Still Be Happy