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24
41
Ban Guns Keep Guns
Debate Score:65
Arguments:52
Total Votes:73
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 Ban Guns (18)
 
 Keep Guns (31)

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CreateDebate Poll: Gun Laws

I want to hear everyone's opinion. Don't worry I don't ban people for disagreeing with my opinion (Like some others).

Ban Guns

Side Score: 24
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Keep Guns

Side Score: 41

I feel it's an impracticable notion to completely ban guns. The best which could be hoped for is a reduction in legally and illegally held firearms. All those with legally held weapons should be required by law to reapply for renewal of the firearms licence with a stricter criteria being imposed for a reissue. An amnesty for those holding non licensed weapons, and then after a ''cooling off period'' the imposition of severe penalties for anyone ignoring the legal requirement. The initial administration would be costly and impose a strain on the officers enforcing the law as there would be a significant number of die hard morons who would see this life saving measure as an attack on their civil rights and conveniently disregard the carnage this common sense step would avoid. This would still leave millions of guns in circulation but these new rules would make a dramatic reduction and greatly decrease the chances of the mass murders of the citizens of the United States.

Side: Ban Guns
2 points

Ban guns but actually ban them, only criminals having guns is indeed stupid.

Banning should be done thoroughly making it near impossible to get hold of one. It has worked in Australia and Europe for many years but I understand that in USA it may not be so easy.

Side: Ban Guns
GenericName(3429) Clarified
2 points

And how would the United States, a beast clearly very different from the EU and Australia, completely ban guns?

Remember, that would require a Constitutional Amendment that would be opposed by over half of the states in this country, making such an amendment impossible.

Side: Ban Guns
instig8or(3307) Disputed
2 points

I personally disagree with the constitution. All rights should be negotiable.

This debate never stated it was constrained to USA.

Side: Ban Guns
2 points

Ban guns but actually ban them, only criminals having guns is indeed stupid.

That is impossible to do, you can't take guns away completely it's impossible (Unless you have boat loads of money and are a police state).

Banning should be done thoroughly making it near impossible to get hold of one.

It would be very tricky to do that. Since there are such things as other countries. It is quite easy for black marketers to transport a weapon of any kind into another country, simply because they know how to do it. Now I know this may seem a bit off topic but there is a place on the web (Not our normal USA web which can be monitored) known as the deep web. You can access it by downloading a browser like Tor. There you can purchase tons of different guns, from pistols to full on RPGs. On top of that you can purchase any kind of drug, child porn, hitmen, etc, and the majority of this is done in America. Now while America is attempting to monitor the deep web and shut down these sites, for every site taken down one hundred more appear. (I would advise not going onto the deep web, the crazy shit they have on there is coated in viruses. Also it contains very gruesome images.)

It has worked in Australia and Europe for many years but I understand that in USA it may not be so easy.

It hardly worked in Australia and Europe.

Side: Keep Guns
instig8or(3307) Disputed
1 point

It's perfectly doable, just send undercover agents to buy them, piss easy to trick people. China and most of Asia has done it good too.

Side: Ban Guns

Ban guns as this will result in loss of less lives.. What will the Mafia do?

Side: Ban Guns
1 point

1. Guns themselves do not cause death, it is the person shooting the gun. In that case you might as well ban cars, certain foods, etc. Drunk driving kills tons of people a year, with that argument we might as well ban cars.

2. Guns will still be accessible easily through black markets. And banning guns will not make the current criminals give up their guns. It is after all one more law to break. I am damn sure that they could careless about breaking the law due to the fact they are already doing so.

3. Yes while banning guns may or may not lead to less death the number of overall deaths will stay about the same. Because knife deaths will increase.

Side: Keep Guns
1 point

P1: Guns cause death

P2: Less guns will cause less death

C: therefore banning guns will lead to less death

Side: Ban Guns
1 point

1. Guns themselves do not cause death, it is the person shooting the gun. In that case you might as well ban cars, certain foods, etc. Drunk driving kills tons of people a year, with that argument we might as well ban cars.

2. Guns will still be accessible easily through black markets. And banning guns will not make the current criminals give up their guns. It is after all one more law to break. I am damn sure that they could careless about breaking the law due to the fact they are already doing so.

3. Yes while banning guns may or may not lead to less death the number of overall deaths will stay about the same. Because knife deaths will increase.

Side: Keep Guns
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Guns are also used to protect you from dangerous people. Your premises are incomplete, and P2 may be false.

Side: Keep Guns

My vote would be to adopt the Swiss model. Make gun ownership an integral part of national identity but have that coincide with extensive training and national service (not necessarily within a combat role).

We need to change the current social climate around guns away from the survivalists, patriot groups, and people who find them to be fun toys, and try to make people realize it should be a responsibility to be taken seriously.

Side: Keep Guns

Pros:

1. School shooting rates would most likely go down.

2. Gun murder/assault rates would likely go down.

3. Overall murder/assault rate would maybe go down.

Cons:

1. We would be stripping ourselves of a fundamental right.

2. Black markets would not stop selling guns, that would mean that most criminals could still access guns.

3. Criminals will not turn in their guns, leaving the law abiding citizens defenseless.

What I vote for: Keep Guns

Side: Keep Guns
1 point

I think the results in other countries are exaggerated, and the nuances of America will not see similar results if guns laws are created.

Side: Keep Guns
1 point

Banning guns is indeed impractical and quite nearly impossible. Although it will have a lot advantages but that would only be in an idealistic world, not the world in which we live in. Hence in a world where banning guns cannot practically take place there is always a threat to safety. Hence, for the sake of a civilians safety guns are necessary. However, the issuing of the weapon should be closely monitored. As far as children committing violence is concerned that is a whole different issue. Whether you successfully take guns away from them, the issue will not be solved, the violence inside them will keep on growing and nurturing. That is a psychological problem and should be felt it from its very core.

Side: Keep Guns
1 point

For one we have the right to bear arms even if that is just one. Next is just because if they ban guns that wont mean that everyone will listen. If one person has a gun and lets say he went in and broke into a home (just make a scenario) what is there to stop that one person? They don't have a gun but the offender does. Where is the protection that was promised? What is there to stop the person from killing the other? There is absolutely nothing they can do. This could go over and over then next thing you know the crime rate is higher than ever. This will cause more problems than it would for people to keep guns, it will just end up worse than it was and they will make a more urgent matter to take care of.

Side: Keep Guns
1 point

There are only a few who want to "ban" guns. Over 90% want reasonable laws, similar to driving a car or being a licensed electrician! I have always owned guns. I would be happy to go for a license and show that I have some idea of using them safely, and that I am mentally able and have no record of being "unstable". "Criminals will always be able to get guns!" Yep! Does anyone know of a "criminal" who shot up a school or church?? Well, after the fact, of course. Criminals are after MONEY, not schoolchildren! This "mental" argument is correct, as far as it goes, but, America does NOT have that many more unstable people per, capita, than other countries. I DO believe we have more unstable "attitudes" than most, mostly brought on by a belief that freedom is something THEY have, screw anyone else!

Ike said: "When a country holds it privileges above its principles it is in danger of losing both!" We need to think about that.

Side: Keep Guns
TheCapConKid(293) Clarified
1 point

What state do you live in? So I can tell you your gun laws because we already have a lot of states that require permits and some even require registration with police and other agencies.

Side: Ban Guns
1 point

We need our own protection because the police is to slow to responding and there is just not anuff police around to protect people.

Side: Keep Guns