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Debate Score:80
Arguments:68
Total Votes:88
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Criminals are born or made???

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Side Score: 31
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MADE

Side Score: 49
1 point

Let’s see if I can provoke someone.

All men are criminals at birth. It is axiomatically obvious no man needs to be taught how to be a criminal.

Any takers?

| Side: born
TERMINATOR(6718) Disputed
1 point

A detailed knowledge of 'mental illness and the law' may convince you otherwise.

| Side: Made
iamdavidh(4850) Disputed
1 point

Actually a detailed knowledge of law and mental illness would only further his point.

| Side: Both
lawnman(1104) Disputed
1 point

You can follow the debate betwixt David and I. Therein you shall find ample evidence that is contrary to your baseless ad hominem accusation.

I am not going to debate whether or not I can debate, by knowledge, this question!

| Side: born
iamdavidh(4850) Disputed
1 point

I'll play.

If one is unaware of laws, it is impossible to break them. If an infant kills his mother it is not a crime at all, simply a baby doing something. In this case something bad.

Therefore one must first be taught what laws are in order for them to be considered criminal upon breaking them.

So one can be born with another's subjective view of immorality, but one cannot be born with another's objective view of criminality. Counter intuitive as that seems.

| Side: Both

In the United States of America a six year old cannot be prosecuted.

| Side: Made
MirandaD(12) Disputed
1 point

well, infants can't even lift their own heads up, much less kill somebody.

an infant is a child under a year old.

maybe a toddler, who is under five years old, could.

but after five i'm sure you understand that you shouldn't kill, unless you have some sort of mental illness.

so technically you couldn't be born a criminal.

you could be born to grow up a criminal, but not born a criminal.

| Side: born
lawnman(1104) Disputed
1 point

Leave it to me to approach a question from an un-common perspective. I am glad you are willing to “play”; I presume both of us have a pocket full of quarters. :)

First and foremost I understand the term ‘criminal’ is an accusation. The accusation may be valid according to written law, but that doesn’t mean that the law itself is not criminal, nor does it mean it is criminal. For indeed a society of cannibals may, by its written moral laws, incriminate any person who refuses to consume human flesh during a High-Holy day; yet in another society the refusal to consume human flesh is in agreement with written moral law.

In an effort to forego the subjectivity of written moral law… which law shall we reference in answer to this debate as a universally accepted and objective law?

Murder is a crime?

| Side: born
1 point

They are born to do so.Each persons are born with a special different thing.For some people they are born to be criminals

| Side: born
aveskde(1903) Disputed
1 point

They are born to do so.Each persons are born with a special different thing.For some people they are born to be criminals

If that's the case then I should be in real trouble. My mother and father have had run-ins with the law, my mother especially. My extended family has at least one sociopath, at least one gangmember, and many vultures.

| Side: Both
2 points

One isn't a criminal until one is branded as such by society.

| Side: Made
2 points

If a child is born into the 'bad' part of town and its taught how to steal, the child will steal.

| Side: Made
1 point

Well most Criminals are made but there are diseases that make people criminals such as psycho people with no conscience. they are mostly made though

| Side: Made
2 points

As a biologist, I don't believe there are too many traits that a human being can possess that are purely genetic or purely from the environment. I believe criminal tendencies could have a small basis in the genetic code of the individuals, but the environment in which they are raised is what makes them act the way they do. The good news is that our futures are not determined by our genes. It is completely possible to overcome our genetic disadvantages.

| Side: Both

Criminals are made by the type of environment and life experiences.

| Side: Made
1 point

First a person feels a lack, then when that lack is felt a need is born. The person tries to find an essence to fill that need, whatever fills the void at the time whether it be good or bad it makes the person feel satified and fulfilled. Therefore if bad a criminal is made.

| Side: Made
1 point

This type of debate is poorly worded. It isn't really a matter of clear distinction between "born" implying genetics or "made" implying behaviours.

At the most rudimentary level our personalities are a combination of biochemical pathways and ion cascades. These exist because the required proteins and enzymes are held within genes. So it can be said that all our personalities are born into us because our genes are inherited by our parents. But it isn't that simple, because genes have specific expression requirements. This is where the environment is crucial.

So the real answer is that yes, all criminal behaviour is genetic, and even worse certain criminal behaviours or disorders leading towards criminal behaviour seem to be especially inherited and not simply related to common genes. However, the environment is the other half which will either cause those genes to remain dormant, or activate them for expression, leading to the ultimate criminal behaviours.

So it isn't a black and white issue. Criminals are a combination of both.

| Side: Both

The majority of criminals become criminals as a result of their upbringing. Gangs, abusive parents, poverty - these can all lead to crimes varying from vandalism to mass murder.

The minority of criminals are born that way. They are psychopaths, mainly. They can kill unremorsefully, but most never commit a crime in their life. They are the ideal serial killer because they can kill without regret. Their superior intelligence and mastery of manipulation can lead to them never being apprehended. If they are caught, it will be after they've killed many times more victims than the average serial killer.

| Side: Made
aveskde(1903) Disputed
1 point

The minority of criminals are born that way. They are psychopaths, mainly. They can kill unremorsefully, but most never commit a crime in their life. They are the ideal serial killer because they can kill without regret. Their superior intelligence and mastery of manipulation can lead to them never being apprehended. If they are caught, it will be after they've killed many times more victims than the average serial killer.

Psychopathy (Dissociative Personality Disorder and related) applies to both the retarded and very intelligent, with little middle ground. However, the disorder doesn't make these people automatically cool-heated and in control, this is an exception. The majority of people you and I call sociopaths and psychopaths are hot-tempered, and get into trouble because of a lack of patience and seeming inability to be successful.

Hollywood likes to portray them as collected, however, but just remember that this is a very rare exception.

| Side: Both
TERMINATOR(6718) Disputed
2 points

applies to both the retarded and very intelligent, with little middle ground.

Ed Gein could be considered a retarded psychopath, but I believe him to be a sociopath. It is more likely for psychopathic criminals (serial killers, not sure about others) to have a high IQ than a low IQ.

The majority of people you and I call sociopaths and psychopaths are hot-tempered

Speak for yourself! I correct almost everybody when they incorrectly refer to somebody as a psychopath.

I for one know the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath, plus I also know various other psychological factors.

Hollywood likes to portray them as collected, however, but just remember that this is a very rare exception.

I realize that. I am, however, collected. However, being an INTJ predispositions me for some form of collected attitude.

| Side: Made

They are made cool because they choose to go on the wrong path themselves you can be born with a parent teaching you the right thing then when you are on your own drugs,sex the streets can mess up your head then you choose to murder.

| Side: Made
1 point

A child is born innocent, the way society is, the peer groups and the way they are brought will reflect the way the turn out.

so I would say defo made

| Side: Made
1 point

I think that criminals are made, they might have a streak of bad when they are born but its the community they grow up in which makes them into criminals

| Side: Made
1 point

It is where the criminal is born and how the criminal is raised. That is what makes a criminal.

| Side: Made
1 point

Criminals are made not born , what you live is what you learn.

| Side: Made
1 point

you can become a criminal by what you learn, and grow up in.

just like, if you grow up in an abusive environment, you'd be more likely to abuse others, it is more likely that if they grow up learning crime, and abuse, and in a broken home with alcoholism and drugs, they'll grow up to live in a similar environment, but that isn't always the case.

not all people who are criminals are made that way,

they can just grow up to be a criminal.

i don't think a child is a criminal when they're born, because infants can't think for themselves.

even if they have a good home life, it doesn't mean they'll end up a law abiding citizen.

| Side: Made
1 point

I won't bother writing a massive epic that takes 5 minutes to read. I'd just like to say that I agree with the arguments on this side of the debate. people probably can be born criminals, but it's the environment they grew up in that really makes the difference.

| Side: Made
1 point

normally parents, relatives, friends abuse a child or is brought up in a bad community

| Side: Made
1 point

These people are not born this way.

They grow up to it.

I'll go to the psychopaths subject?

Ed Gein, Dahmer, Bundy.

In their first childhood years they were normal.

But they started getting lack of attention.

First, they start killing/torturing small animals.

Second, have odd/sexual thoughts about their own mother.

Third, their first murder is committed.

It is sort of a long process they usually don't became a Criminal or Murderer till adulthood.

I believe until the age of 6-8 a child fully understands the difference for right and wrong. Therfor they are not liable for whatever they do until then. Their parents should have taught them while young.

The environment also helps between the parents.

| Side: Made
1 point

We are all products of our environment. I think it comes down to the individuals way of thinking. Our minds are very powerful. Mostly, it is the weak minded who adopts criminalistic tactics. Don't get me wrong though. Individuals with a sound way of thinking can also partake in criminal activities. Society is a huge contributor in the development of ones mind. This is why I say society/environment plays a big role if one becomes a criminal or not. We still have a choice though. Will I go through with this, or not? It's the choice of the individual.

| Side: MADE
1 point

Look no one can be born with a "killer" trait. Sure they can be born angry, selfish, stone-hearted but those things only help. Those traits together don't create a murderer. Murderers become killers because of stuff like parents, bullying, raping, government etc.

| Side: MADE
-4 points
aveskde(1903) Disputed
2 points

Criminals are made from being raised by single mothers. 70% of prison inmates were raised by single feminist mothers who are so confident that they don't need a man.

So by your reasoning, a century ago there shouldn't have been prisons because all (the vast majority of) mothers were married.

| Side: Both
zombee(1023) Disputed
1 point

I like how you presume to intimately know the mindset and intentions of an entire demographic with one sweeping, callous, incorrect generalization.

While your conclusion is flawed, that statistic is more or less correct. Although the studies I found referred to single parent homes, not specifically single mother homes, the majority of them are probably single mother homes as single father homes are relatively uncommon.

However, I believe the gender of a parent in a single parent home is irrelevant when it comes to this; at an age when an infant is learning to empathize and connect with other humans, a single parent is probably working very hard to pay the bills and may not be around to offer as much attention as they want. There is a link between sociopath behavior and early childhood neglect, as a part of their brain simply may not develop correctly when they do not have the opportunity to physically and emotionally bond when they need it.

In addition, a child of a single parent home that is struggling economically faces other obvious disadvantages that have little to do with gender. Single parent homes are likely to be poorer than two parent homes, so that is the correlation there.

Children of single parent homes are at risk for many problems, criminal behaviour included, no matter which parent is missing. The fact that single mother homes are far more common gives the false impression of being the cause, rather than a co-occurrence.

| Side: Made
iamdavidh(4850) Disputed
1 point

... so you don't think the father ever is the one to leave? That every single mother is a feminist? You are either 7 or a moron.

| Side: Both


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