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GOD CREATED MAN MAN CREATED GOD
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DID GOD CREATE MAN OR DID MAN CREATE GOD?

WAS IT A GOD OR SOME FORM OF SUPREME BEING THAT CREATED MANKIND OR DOES GOD NOT REALLY EXIST BUT RATHER A STORY OR IDEA CREATED FROM THE IMAGINATION OF MAN?

GOD CREATED MAN

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MAN CREATED GOD

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6 points

Let me give you the answers for all

Theists - God created Man

Atheists - Man created God.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
6 points

Miracles happen daily, they defy man's explanation through logical and scientific means, to choose to ignore them and not credit them to a higher authority isn't logical or scientific. Hundreds of millions of people testify openly to communication with God, to dismiss this as mass hysteria is preposterous. Every species on the planet created with a similar genetic code. The probability factor is astronomical even allowing for millions years, random events could not have equaled the complexity of this code. Darwin's theory of evolution is also flawed, each species has a unique genetic footprint often less than a fraction of a percent in degrees of separation. It is far more likely the modern man survived because they were the most violent and conquering. Every other species or "tribe" simply annihilated every other similar sentient species on earth. There is no concrete evidence of "evolution" today it is still an unproven theory as is the theory of relativity, there are very few science facts much of the entire body of knowledge is theoretical.

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tydane24(2) Disputed
4 points

What miracles are you referring to?

Atheists do not dispute that "miracles" occur, they choose not to attribute miracles to the generosity of a god. It seems more likely to attribute the miracles to human characteristics such as determination.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
6 points

All the way, without any reserves. I am simply not smart enough to create God. I am simply not powerful enough to create God. And I am definitely no wise enough to create God.

Now when it comes to the actual concept of the existence of God, I think you would have to get more specific. As far as a Creator in general, the world speaks for itself. Evolutionary models of the formation of the universe have changed so many times that there is no consistency. The hypothesis of macro-evolution has no substantial evolution that could bring me to a place to say, "Oh! The universe came into existence by itself!"

God created man, and all creation can testify to that.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
5 points

Of course God created man, How would man create God, if God was one who created earth!!!

God was the one created Earth and man, It would make ABSOLUTE no sense if God create earth then created man to create God if God was the one who made the man!!!

READ GENESIS 1 you will find the REAL truth!

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
Kinda(1649) Disputed
4 points

Bullshit. Not just that Genesis is bollocks, but also your argument. You're assuming everybody thinks that God created the earth. ONLY those people believe God created man. However those who think God created the earth also think God created man. Do not mix the two up (which is what you just did)

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
burnjuan(59) Disputed
2 points

There is no proof that any gods exist. There is, however, much evidence that humans do indeed exist.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
banned999(143) Disputed
1 point

WASN'T GENESIS CREATED BY MAN?

YOU ARE ASSUMING THAT GOD CREATED EARTH THEN MAN. WHAT IF EARTH WAS NOT CREATED BY GOD AND THAT GOD WAS JUST THE CREATION FROM THE IMAGINATION OF MEN?

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
veronica(53) Disputed
2 points

Look everybody, we have an evolutionist. He believes that the Earth just happened to show up revolving around the sun after a 'big bang' happened... which begs the question... where did the bang and the primortial soup and everything that you can come up with that happened first where did all of that come from?????? Genesis is the first book of the Bible written by Moses, a man on the Earth. God spoke to Moses and told him what to write. Moses wrote what God spoke to him, so the author is God. ~! V

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
5 points

god is omnipresent and omnipotent and we even believe. first of all i don't know why you have this doubt because if man had created god then why can't we able to see him?so it is god who created man.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
itypicalgame(1) Disputed
4 points

You make your whole argument look stupid. The quote is "Did god create man, or did man create god" "Did man create god" IS NOT the literal definition as "God create man", it means men invented god in their mind. There is no god, billions of people believed in different gods. Gods are a children's explanation for things they can't understand. If there is god, who created god? Who created god's creator? The idea of god is not logical, its just an idea, a business, a lie to explain things you dint know. Fire is not made by gods, it is made by the collision of oxygen and co2, lighting is not made by Zeus, it is made by the flow of electrons in the skies. I do not fully support revolution but i can say with 100 percent certainty THERE IS no god. If anything at all karma makes more sense. Keep in mind that some things even the human brain cant understand, because we simply do not have the capacity.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
2 points

Ok I'm not gonna pose as an expert on the subject but rather as one using common sense reasoning. Now, no matter how far we go back in HIS-story MAN has always been the one who has advised us that there is a God, man says that He (God) created the universe(s) the heavens, the earth all the planets and ALL that exist ANYWHERE. ALL books of religion or submissions to any God were written by men said to be inspired by God, again words of a man. Whenever we cannot explain something the religious man says that these are the works of God, or the Devil of course. rather than simply saying that WE just haven't figured it out yet. Les go again, The great book (The Bible) states that no man has seen God yet we gender IT as a man who sits on a throne what does that say? I mean how do we know HE sits if He's not a man we cant see spirits can we? Nor can we gender a spirit? Isn't it law that you must have male or female properties to be gendered? Genesis states that Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden of Eden. What walks besides some type of actual being? Also Genesis states that God created man in (HIS) image. Ok define image: A reproduction of a person or object, esp. a sculptured likeness. It then states that we are after (His) likeness ok define likeness: The state, quality, or fact of being like; resemblance. Or how about God being Almighty and all powerful, omnipotent and omnipresent is the creator and sustainer of everything yet (he) still is a jealous God? come on family mind up and accept the reality that the only God ever known to man is: MAN!!!

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
RuSure(9) Disputed
0 points

Let us analyse this quickly...

Your very first statement:

1.) You make your whole argument look stupid.

The BIBLE has got one verse for this (actually way more)...

Psalms 14:1 (KJV).

1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2.) The quote is "Did god create man, or did man create god" "Did man create god" IS NOT the literal definition as "God create man", it means men invented god in their mind. There is no god, billions of people believed in different gods.

The emphasises is not on a mindset but on the word create. The word create literally means to make SOMETHING from NOTHING. The word make defines the action of taking SOMETHING and turning it into SOMETHING ELLS. So this idea of create being the very concept of God is flawed in itself.

However I must admit that before something can be created, there must be an idea or a concept.

Including the idea of trying to proove that there is no God. The reason for people making believe that there is no God is purely because of the fact that they want to rule their own world and will not bow to the need to be obedient or subjected to a Higher Power such as a God.

There is a saying that goes that you are a slave of the one whom you subject yourself to.

Now this is very true when you think about this logically, isn't it...?!

Now I ask you this, do you work? Whose slave are you?

Repeat it after me..."My Bosses Slave I am".

Now imagine that...

3.) Gods are a children's explanation for things they can't understand.

This is very true come to think about it. Do you know why children accept God WAY easier than you? Because there minds are not polluted.

» Things that pollute our minds are things like:

Un forgiveness.

Bitterness.

Oppressed childhood.

I'm pretty sure that a persons history speaks volumes,... don't you think.

Romans 12:1-2 (KJV).

1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

4.) If there is god, who created god?

God means supreme and if you are supreme then you are the first and the last, the beginning and the end and also the author of faith.

The first and the last beginning and the end...

Revelation 22:13 (KJV).

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

The author and the finisher of your faith...

Hebrew 12:2 (KJV).

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

No other "so called god" ever made these statements...

Amassing isn't it?!

5.) Who created god's creator?

The term God is associated with creator because that is what even you would agree to, am I correct?

That is why God is the source of everything and nothing came to be without His will and purpose. God does not need man but man needs God in order to exist. If you proclaim that you do not need God, then it is as good as you saying that as fallible as you are as man, you are superior to He who holds everything together.

Look up the word Laminin and you will see what I meen.

In the deepest reaches of space there is a galaxy called the sumbrero galaxy in in the middle of it there is a black hole and inside this black hole there is something called the x-structure... look it up.

6.) The idea of god is not logical, its just an idea, a business, a lie to explain things you dint know.

The only lie is the fact that you are not willing to try it for yourself because you are to afraid to admit that you were wrong all along.

Look at a rose and you see the perfection.

Look at the sky, how beautiful it is and you will see a canvas that is not only beautiful but ever changing and pure.

Look at the human eye and you will be marvelled at the fact that there are about 1 000 000 nerve endings in it. Who could have joined them together I wonder?

Look at a children when they is born. How pure, how innocent, how caring, how loving and how fragile they are. Isn't it sad to think what happened to that very same child when grown-up.......

Creation is perfect until man inter fears and it has got the loudest voice, shouting from all directions to us as humans the Vrase, "CAN YOU NOT SEE THE MANIFESTATION OF POWER?"

Can you not see the hand of a power that far surpasses our mere understanding...

Can you not see how precise He is in everything He does.

Do not look at humans but look at what they are able to make.

Architecture...Cars...Aeroplanes...Cities, towns suburbs and everything they make and when you compare this to creation it is evident as daylight that there is something way more Superior than man out there.

I don't even have to continue with the rest of your post as I rest my case by the following...

Genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth...

[And you did not believe because you cannot see God].

So God had a plan:

John 3:16 So this God sent His only son for mankind to see because man claims that seeing is believing and He died for you all men so that they may be saved and live with Him forever after time is fulfilled because He LOVES YOU SO MUCH.

He is the author and the finisher of your faith (Heb. 12:2) if you will allow Him.

All that you have to do:

Romans10:8-10 (KJV).

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Take a step of faith:

Romans 12:3 (KJV).

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

[this faith is just enough to accept Him]

2 Corinthians 10:15 (KJV).

15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly.

[your faith will grow]

Ephesians 4:13 (KJV).

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

It was predestinated by God for you to read this and the question to you is this... Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour...?

Before you answer this I have one last scripture for you...

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV).

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

It will not be easy. Do not let anybody lie to you.

The BIBLE doesn't call it the narrow road for nothing...

From:

Evangelist Cornelius H. Müller.

Contact me on:

[email protected]

or

+27 81 852 3322.

+27 74 585 3311.

Fax2 E-mail:

+2786-571-4054.

Galatians 6:2 (KJV).

2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Luke 22:32 (KJV).

32. But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Never hesitate, to reply...

Ο ΘΕΌΣ ΝΑ ΣΑΣ ΕΥΛΟΓΕΊ ...

(O THEÓS NA SAS EV̱LOGEÍ) ...

GOD BLESS YOU....

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
dacey(1046) Disputed
2 points

If this is the case then for all of the faith you have in your god and for what you believe it to be why do you call it a him? Bcause nothing to see, but LIFE itself, is enough for me to see that man created god.and if you believe jesus will come again then expect to find him in a mental ward.just imagine some long haired dude wrapped in a sheet popping up out of no where proclaiming to be the lord in this day n age.As for how omnipresent and omnipotent you claim this god/creator of all things, to be,begs the questions?why create and ignore such a hostile enviroment.why not omit the evil,why punish a world of misguided uninformed peoples that have been divided into such varied degrees of existence.why allow for sin only to allow for forgiveness ,why allow for hate only to allow for love why announce one god but allow for all gods? I can keep going but why allow myself to be condemned as blasphermous.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
5 points

Yes, God created man. It says it planely in Genesis. On the sixth day of Creation, God took the dust of the earth, fashioned it as Himself, and breathed the breath of life into him... Adam. From then on, man duplicated himself thru babys. ~! V

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
DarciDebrett Disputed
4 points

Veronica, your argument is illogical, and you are distracted with a sort of scripture quoting tourette’s. Scripture quoting is not an argument unless you can prove that the God of that scripture exists and you cannot prove that the God of that scripture exists by quoting that scripture. That is the fallacy of begging the question - assuming the initial premise.

God exists because the Bible says he exists, and the Bible is must be believed because it is the word of God.

Or A is true because B is true; and B is true because A is true.

Write some of your own and you will no doubt see how that sort of reasoning makes no sense.

I’ll go first: I am good looking because my mother says that I am good looking; my mother says that I'm good looking because I am good looking.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
RuSure(9) Clarified
2 points
Side: GOD CREATED MAN
4 points

www.mikebratescu.blogspot.co.uk

It's nice to come back here and know what people think about all this .. I just copied all this page ...

God MADE man , it is plainly explained in the hebrew texts ... God MADE man and everything out of MATTER , God did not CREATE anything .

So first of all it helps to envision God as a great Architect , a Supreme Engineer , a Genious of Genious genetic engineer and designer , etc etc..

The habitual thinking of a God who pulls out doves from the hat is ... hilariously stupid and non scriptural...

On the other hand ,lately, researchers have shown how the human DNA genom is encoded in just 46 chromozomes unlike 48 as all other planetary primates. Obviously this raised another wave of controversies and argumentation , expecially when the scientsts pulled out mistakes done in this genetic engineering or if you want to call it "cration" , that's ok . But if you ask a genetician he can show you and explain you that we are NOT perfect , biologically . It intrigues me how in fact we are a bit of a virus compared to other species which perfectly adapt into the envirionment and that without distroying it. Let us be honest , we humans have extinguished many other species , fair enough for other species to bite back sometimes... The God of the Bible endlessly worked ,fought to bring about the time when we live in ballance to ourselves and as well to other species and possibly , maybe , to him . Either you look at this from religious perspective, either from an atheist perspective , we humans are just distroying this planet and distroying ourseves in enless fight for evolution , adaptation , individual win over the others , just like animals , lets say it , we resemble perfectly the animal instincts of preservation and evolution , fight for survival and adaptation even if that means downgrading of another human. How does that go with the bible logic ? It doesnt . If you are a christian you still go to a examination to obtain a job , when you get the job and another one remains unemployed , do you abandon thatfor him ? No...

If you are a believer you still struggle to have what we call the best "level" , the best job , the best wife , the most healthy and longly life , power over your enemies , you see ? , these are simply the evolution instincts made religion.

Does that make me a non believer , no , I still believe in God , but not that way :

I just see Him a Great Architect .

There are long and endless argumentations , both pro and contra , so obviously the truth is deep between these two.

Neither man created God neither God created man.

God made man , man then developed a totally weird version of the story , in other words , man himself made as well a God ...

www.mikebratescu.blogspot.co.uk

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
TheBogle88(115) Disputed
2 points

Whence the architect? Whence the material? "The God of the Bible endlessly worked ,fought to bring about the time when we live in balance* to ourselves and as well to other species and possibly , maybe , to him." Why did he do this? It seems rather arbitrary or perhaps the twisted models of a deranged and lonely mind.

There is no need for an architect; no need for meaning. Your particular blend of Christianity and Deism isn't a new one and it has been called out for what it really is in the past: a spineless blend of nonsense and noise.

James Randi has a standing offer for $1,000,000 to be presented to ANYONE who can provide empirical evidence supporting an alleged "supernatural" phenomenon. Once this prize is claimed, I'll rethink the possibility of a deity.

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eaglearchitt(5) Disputed
3 points

"There is no need for an architect " ??? Oh ,you believe everything came out of nothing , and organic-organism-organised came out of "chaotic-nothingness -disorganised .... and the world is just good as it is ... right ? Well , that is evolutionism . However you call it. One evolved out of Zero , and Man evolved out of thin air , and everything came out of nothing... Sounds... Very scientific

Maybe you want to talk about the missing link that was never found , missing links , bones and skulls made of plastic , cartonboard , gyps, cement ,wood etc , throughout all museums in the world , Ecce evolutia !...

Is this what you think I don't know ?

In my coment I show that neither "god created man " neither "man created god " .

There are endless , and fair true arguments for both sides , which is why I believe and conclude that the truth is in the middle. What you understand of it is not my business.

"Your particular blend of Christianity and Deism " ???

Did I say I believe God made us ? Do you know what is Christianity ?

Did I say I am a Cristian ? Do I go to church ? Or pray to Jesus ? Or give tithes ?

Does your definition that I am a Christiano-Deist include the Lost book of Enki ?

Do you read the original bible ? Do you also know some science and history ?

How long did you studied this ?

www.mikebratescu.blogspot.co.uk

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
3 points

If anyone doesn't think the bible is true here is something you can ponder...

1) in the bible when there was the great flood, there was the ark and Noah;s family, and the animals, and you should know the story, well Christians who try to prove the ark was real studies how long the rain was where it would of floated and found that the ark would be somewhere in the mountains in Turkey, but the Turkish government will not let them try to find it because they think that they would prove the bible to be right.

2) Watch a movie called the Star of Bethlehem. it is a very good movie, it proved on a non christian program for watching stars that the wise men came and a planet made a crown in the sky near when Jesus was born and The planet actually stopped It is crazy accurate! Please watch it it is very cool!

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

How would Man create God? He is all powerful and mighty. God created man, Genesis 1:27

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
DarciDebrett Disputed
2 points

I submit that, the question: did man create God? more probably means: did man create the concept of God?

Scripture cannot be true because scripture says it's true: a premise cannot support itself.

Do you not believe this as it applies to the Qur’an.

How about when you were a child?

Did a parent ever ask you to do something, to which you replied "why?" and they said "because I said so."

It is the same fallacious reasoning.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
mgteseniar(1) Disputed
2 points

you miss the point...you assume that god created man that we are today.....its man created god in there own mind. every thing you read and hear today about religion is man said.. even the bible....Man wrote the bible..man decided what was gonna be put in the bible....you can't prove there's a god...you only know what you read and what you've been taught you hole life...so why wouldn't you believe ?? and this goes for every one..you can say god created man in his own likeness...defind..likeness...humans have been here over 2 million years...you think we look like humans 2 million years ago!!!! of course not!!!!! it make you wonder about Adam and eve.....what they really look liked????

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
simsoy(10) Disputed
1 point

well that would mean that people invented the idea of there being a God.

Side: Neither
JesusFreak(174) Disputed
3 points

Genesis 1:1- "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth."

Doesn't get more plain and simpler then that.

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dacey(1046) Disputed
1 point

just as they have created umm everything else through thier imagination!

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
2 points

God created man and anyone who says other wise is badly mistaken. Nobody created God.

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tydane24(2) Disputed
2 points

Great use of logic and support in your argument for the creation of man. There are people like myself with doubts and you simply voicing your opinion without any support, however justified, is elevated thinking at its best.

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JesusFreak(174) Disputed
2 points
Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

ok ...you idiots out there that keep quoting gen. 1 ...the book itself is written by Man ...changed by man and fought over by man it has aslo been proven that the man known as Jesus Christ was not an only child like your so called book of truth says but that he had brothers and sisters...and the noah story is really a story that was written on mesopotamian pottery...so keep this "read genisis 1" crap out of this discussion..its a book written by man! I mean c'mon dean koontz writes great books but they arent considerd holy!

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
2 points

If you read the bible in Genesis, God created man and all living things

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tydane24(2) Disputed
2 points

How can you site the bible in Genesis as a source for your argument that God created Man. Of course it is going to support your claim because it is a book that was written to voice the "word of God" through Moses.

That is circular reasoning. For example : How do you know God created man? Because Genesis said so. Who wrote Genesis? Moses as he was relaying Gods message.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
KatieMarie(288) Disputed
2 points

Hunni, I was placing it from a CHRISTIAN point of view, not yours. Im not speaking on everyone else's pov. Keep reading your bible...... I think you may need it.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

According to 2 Timothy 3:16,17 All scriptures are inspired By God..

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Cynical(1946) Disputed
2 points

Okay. Prove that verse is correct.

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
2 points

If you believe that God is not real then why do you have to have to come all this way just to prove your point. Then from the way that I am thinking it shows that your not really sure about yourself. This is what ignorance does to some for example your parents say don’t be sleeping around because you might get pregnant but because you want to have proof you go out and try it, consequences would be that you get pregnant. Same thing here God has provided these holy books for us to try and understand them and do exactly as we are told, we choose to be ignorant and do something else. There are more things that science had not proven than what is in holy books but foolishly many still believe in something that does not give you ALL the proof, because the signs that prove that the world is coming to an end are all there and even happening for our very eyes to see but because of arrogance we choose not to understand what is helping us. Saying that because you believe in a religion make you not think broad is absolute nonsense because religion helps you think in a way that cannot be described and people who seem to know everything don’t have that. You don’t even have one mind about your belief because “todays its this, tomorrow its that” I mean say one thing and stop changing it because of SCIENCE.

Since science explains EVERYTHING why doesnt it tell you thats there is something called a brain and that you should use more often instead of trying so hard by coming up with all of this crap!

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

I don't know which view I follow right now, so here it goes:

Man COULD have created God, just as man has created many gods before; pick a period of ancient history and they have many gods to explain things.

Man wants an explanation for the world around them, what happens after death, and wants to know there is a purpose for them. The bible offers answers and reassurances, and was penned by men with 'inspiration' from God.

Also, it's difficult to ignore evolution of all the species around us, not just ancient hominids. How would you explain it, from a God created man point of view?

And please give a well thought out answer, read up on evolution before you argue so you have a viewpoint from a different angle.

Also, this isn't a topic that will be solved. Some believe, and that's fine, and some don't and that's great too. Don't condemn someone for having a different view.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

Lets forget religion or christainity for now....lets view this from nature....how was the first man created? Did he have parents? Who were the first parents? If they werent created,how were dey made?..no sort of evolution story can describe this...then how come there are factors like time,air,day and night, cant you understand that man can never create anytin dat has life in it...if man cant create man, how can man create God?..God is real,christ is the only way to salvation, we are here arguing because he is supernatural. the well arrangement of nature according to its duties and purposes can explain God's existence from ages to ages...lets not go back to history, lets judge with this age,the 'computer century'...are you aware that every scientist or atheist at some junctures in thier experiments realise they cant go any futher?..this is because our brain has been restricted to a certain knowledge of nature..this means that someone or something of higher manipulation or authority or power has devised this....therefore who ever claims to have created the heaven and earth, man,animals and the waters is God for no man can make such a claim...all those who believed there was no God forgot that dey will die someday and turn to dust, these are God's words,yet no man can change it..

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

every human has a tendency to write capital"I" because he thinks he is great or he is the one of the most intelligent species on earth but this is not the truth. the god has created our world and if you think that man has made GOD then why do my opponents come all this way to tell about

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

First of all we should accept- God does exist. There is an invisible power in, out and around the universe. Can a fish ignore the significance of water? Can we survive without air? And that too how long? We never see air,we always feel it. We don't need to see God. Just feel Him. We never designed our own anatomy. Then who? That's God.Believe it or not!

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
2 points

Did Adam ever say "Da Da"? or was he created with a perfect Hebrew vocabulary minus the names of the animals ( I mean it was "Hebrew" wasn't it? We can consider it a possibility? Whatever it was, I bet Nimrod was talking it before he became a babel-ling idiot) Do you think God wanted Adam to name the animals so he could see what he was dominion over? Or was it because he knew Adam was pretty damn good at nailing the 1st one when he spotted what was about to plunge the world into darkness. I'm putting my money on the latter.

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2 points

Isn't it painfully obvious and the only way to make any sense out of this mixed up retarded world that it is yes to both? The thinking that only one can occur simultaneously is what is bringing us closer to extinction. If the Universe and everything in it happened by accident, I ain't buying it. And Adam naming Eve "Eve" isn't a dead giveaway that woman was gonna be the "fall guy" what is? That's not God in my book, he would not be part of any set-up. Well Man would set-up man if he thought he could get something out of it and can even blame somebody else in the process. Man might have saw it coming but Eve knew who REALLY was boss and it wasn't the guy naming names. EVERY GOD TALKED, WRITTEN,THOUGHT,IMAGINED IS FROM THE HUMAN MIND. THE TRUE GOD HAS YET TO REVEAL ITSELF WHATEVER IT IS AND HUMANS DO NOT YET EVEN HAVE A CONCEPT OF WHAT THAT MIGHT BE. SO LETS QUIT THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS RIGHT NOW IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW AND FOCUS ON SAVING THIS PLANET AND EVERYTHING ON IT BECAUSE THERE AIN'T NO JESUS COMING AND THAT IS WHAT HE WOULD WANT US TO DO ANYWAY

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God did create man. The Bible is emphatic on this statement.

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and Quran also says... "created man out of congealed blood"

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many will say that humans have created concept of GOD. but what about every religion, i mean every religion have its own law, and GOD. but what if every religion is worshiping the same god in different manner.

On the second hand plz tell me that if god created the universe, then who created god???

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Basically, I believe humans are the result of breeding from apeman and an alien.

The Alien being called God, Came to this planet a million or so years ago.

I can not believe we have evolved into humans just by natural development alone.

Apes are similar to us in shape but nothing like us in any other way.

Ancient astronauts created us from an ape man creature. Ancient humans called them God.

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All of you are missing the point, from both sides. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE ! Christ is the ultimate evidence of God. Christ left us with an overwhelming amount of evidence of his existence. The many written accounts are just one example validating his existence. Tens of thousands of original ancient manuscripts of Christ have been discover. If we believe in other great men of history based only on a handful of manuscripts, then we would also have to believe in Christ the same way. When we believe in historical figures such as Columbus, Lincoln, Caesar, Aristotle, Napoleon and Alexander the great and so on, none of us were there to see them. Our belief is based only on the written accounts of eyewitnesses. We firmly believe that these famous men did indeed exist even though we didn’t see them. If we wanted to know what these men were like we would have to study the written testimonies and make a judgment. If we really want to know who Jesus was we also must look at the written testimonies. If we reject the many written accounts of eyewitnesses who saw Christ then we would also have to rule out the testimonies of other great men. If we set aside the testimonies of Jesus Christ as God and at the same time we believe in Julius Caesar as king then we are prejudice against God.

Christ is the only man in history who claimed to be God. No other world religious leader, such as Buddha, Confucius, or Mohammed ever made this claim or ever made a claim as God. Christ is the only one. Not only did Christ clam to be God, but he also was the only person who rose from the dead. Islam, Muslims and other great religions have no such leader that even comes close to the level of Jesus. When Christ claimed to be God, his claim must either be true of false. Either he was a liar or the truth. He either must be God or something else. If we say that Christ is not God then we are automatically affirming that he is a liar. He did not leave us with any other option. If he is the central figure of the human race, then how in the world can you call him a liar, or a revolutionary, crazy, nuts, insane, or just a mere prophet, or a great teacher. He had to me more than that. You can call him anything you like, but no matter what label you put on him, please look up the definition and see if it applies to this man. If we label him as a lunatic then why didn’t they laugh at him and admitted him in a nut house. You would think that a man who had no education, no power, and no loyalty of wealth or ascendants of great kings can make such an impact on the world. Did we make him up, did we create him in our minds, and is he imaginary. Not only are there thousands of manuscript about this man there are countless of other secular writings describing this man at that time. He did exist! And if you believe that...... then he was more that a man. That is how we know God exist. Jesus is not imaginary.

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Cuaroc(8712) Disputed
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Christ is the ultimate evidence of God.

if that's the best evidence for god that's pretty pitiful evidence.

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anosh(3) Disputed
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no...christ did'nt died..allah protected him and he was called in sky...they only killed the body not soul

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FUCKYOUALLYOUALLARERETARDSSUCKMYDICKFUCKYOUGODSREALSUCKADICKGOBURNINHELLFUCKYOUALL

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man created god. not only as a way to gain rulership and power but also as a scapegoat for the benefit of their own conscience.As far as the bible goes, it is just another book . this applies to all religions

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RuSure(9) Disputed
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Let us look at your statements one by one...

1.) You said "man created god".

This is an insult to your opinion of humanity if this is what you believe because, if man created God, then man is God, by your statement and if man created God (and God is man the creator of God) then who created You...?!

Now let's look at the logic behind this statement...

If you as a human cannot create a tree, a bird or a bee; who created man (the human, you and I) wasn't it perhaps God...?

Here is what the Oxford dictionary has got to say about man:"These are the characteristics of people, as opposed to God, ... (especially in being susceptible to weaknesses):

they are only human and therefore mistakes do occur. This my dear friend is called "the risk of human error".

I guess you made a huge error in your first statement?

2.) You claimed that man created god "not only as a way to gain rulership and power but also as a scapegoat for the benefit of their own conscience".

If man had the ability to create God, it would be my guess that man was ruler from the beginning and was powerful already. This statement has got nothing to do with a scapegoat but has got rather to do with your conscience that condemns you when you think about God.

3.) As far as the bible goes, it is just another book . This applies to all religions.

As for this "common book" as you alleged it to be, is the ONE book that has got no flaw in its contents, as far as History, the present or the future is concerned. By the way, everything that is written up in this Book is being fulfilled as time goes by... Making it not only the most accurate History Book of all times but also the most trusted futuristic Book ever written as well as the most accurate History Book ever written as History unfolds word for word, title for title and line for line as it grows older by the minute. IT IS ALSO A FACT THAT THE BIBLE IS THE MOST SOLD BOOK IN THE HISTORY OF ALL BOOKS EVER WRITTEN and yearly millions of BIBLES are given away for free...!!!

As for the most interesting part of it all...

The word History is a compound word that consists of two basic words and when looked at individually yet spoken together, it does not change the meaning of the Word.

Because it has been, still is and will always be about "His Story" and not about that of a man.

Jerimiah 29:11-14 (KJV).

11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the Lord, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.[s] 12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. 13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart. 14 And I will be found of you, saith the Lord: and I will turn away your captivity, and I will gather you from all the nations, and from all the places whither I have driven you, saith the Lord; and I will bring you again into the place whence I caused you to be carried away captive.

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Tim17(103) Disputed
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Dude, he means man created the idea of god. Are you really that close minded??

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cushman(2) Disputed
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Your statement: "By the way, everything that is written up in this Book is being fulfilled as time goes by... Making it not only the most accurate History Book of all times but also the most trusted futuristic Book ever written as well as the most accurate History Book ever written as History unfolds word for word, title for title and line for line as it grows older by the minute." The actions of men in this world are fully predictable and the writers of the Bible understood this. Technology is what makes people think man can fix anything, do anything. That is "The Great Deceiver", the "anti-Christ". Sinning against that which brought us here, this Earth. But, since we got Heaven, that's not a problem is it?

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I find it funny that some of you are saying "I couldn't create a God, man can't create a God". No one is saying they or someone else created with their own hands, a physical or spiritual being that exists in a temple, or lives in the heavens. "Man created God" means that human kind created the idea that something greater exists beyond us and named it God.

Your only argument that God exists is based on man-made books. All of your "proof" is coming from the best selling BOOK ever. That's all it is; a book. A great guideline for how people should live and do right by humankind. It may possibly be an account of events that went down and people that may have truly existed. It is still not evidence that this God exists.

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Please google the Big Bang Theory and pay attention to the entire description of how we came to be.

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minusu2(2) Disputed
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You may be able to create the thought or image of what A God may look like to you from a t.v. or comic book stand point, but you cannot create the power of that which God is, becuase you can only speculate. That thought that you have created in your mind also means that there is something that you believe in, you are just conflicted about it because of all the noise from other peoples perceptions of what God may or may not be like.

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I love this line that you wrote...very profound!

"Man created God" means that human kind created the idea that something greater exists beyond us and named it God.

Perfect!

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It is very likely that man created the concept of gods and other spiritual forces. Under no circumstance has the existence of a god or gods been backed by strong evidence or well-tested theory. The more specific the conception of a god, the more detailed the stories about what that god did or does, the less evidence there is to support the claims.

Even more so, scientific inquiry, experiments, and research have demonstrated that many claims are flat-out false.

Most people of a religious persuasion rely on the flimsiest of "evidence" or philosophical arguments to defend their beliefs. Almost in every case, the religious individual would never accept the same level or sort of evidence/arguments from another person defending their beliefs.

For instance, speaking with many on the question of their faith I have heard the same argument for why they believe what they believe: faith itself. They have "faith", they believe deep-down that it is true...therefore it is.

Now, who would ever accept such an argument when it doesn't pertain to their own beliefs? Also, they don't have much of an answer for when I ask the obvious follow-up: "What about the faith of opposing religions?"

All evidence points to "god" as a psychological construct. It's likely that the construct has helped many types of humans survive; an adaptation perhaps. People who believed in a god were more likely to survive, for whatever reason. That's why the concept is still around, the people who have a tendency to believe in it still exist.

At some point, though, people will probably grow out of the idea of god. The individuals who stubbornly cling to outdated beliefs that are no longer useful may find it difficult to adapt to an increasingly scientific and knowledge-based world. Whosoever does not buck religion may end up extinct.

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i signed up because of your argument. fantastic argument indeed

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wow what a fantastic contribution.spot on in every degree.

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minusu2(2) Disputed
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So when a new born baby smiles or laughs before being told what joy and happiness is does that mean that, that is only a psychological construct? Human beings have taken absolutely good things and turn them negative time and time again throughout history like you are doing now for the simple satisfaction of winning an argument or challenging something that is outside of there comprehension with ignorant passion. Man believed he could fly before he could prove it, so why not believe in God or a power of creation. Should we simply stop without further investigation. If every human being in the world did that we would still be living in caves, hunting and gathering for every meal. To say that God is all good I do believe is a misconception, because the construction of this universe (which I'm sorry, but I must say that there is a creator judging by its complexity) is set up for violence and negativity as well as creation and good. I do believe that certain Christian views have been manipulated it that manner, but ultimately God does exist. Just as you ask for proof, I must also I ask you to prove that God doesn't exist. Until you can do that we are at a stalemate and if someone chooses to believe and have faith they are just as incline to doing so as you are to not having belief and faith. If you don't believe in God, then why take the time to stand against those who believe in God? You must believe in God otherwise you wouldn't have spent so much time trying to prove your point. To say there is no God you are admitting to the thought of God, which means that you acknowledge God, and therefore meaning that you do believe in some aspect. Now that we have established that you do believe I think it's time that you recognize the fact that humans didn't materialize out of thin air. Which means????

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what makes man different from his fellow organisms on earth?

curiosity.

the search for knowledge,technology,and answers.

from the beginning of man`s, we were searching for answers about life`s greatest mysteries.

when we looked up in the sky, when we tried to find order in the world that was all we knew,it was answers that we were looking for.

in those times, we didn't have what is now called "science".

the smartest were those who spoke well and were very charismatic.

and we called these men prophets.

some of them did things that science could explain partly.

but, back then it was magic.take a car back to the bible and it is magic. but we were not satisfied. we wanted to know the source of this magic and use it.

and so along history,some if not a small part of those we called prophets, used our curiosity.

they told us stories,and myth,that made us shake.

they told us how to reach for the source of what we used to call magic.and each had a different story.some of them manipulated us, trying to make us work for them,worship their philosophy.and surprisingly,we still do.in the middle ages you would pay the priest for redemption.

most and worst of all, they promised us one more thing:

the thing we wanted most of all, hope.we were eager to find what is in the after-life, and they supplied the answers.they would show us the path for heaven, and surprisingly it would depend on us following their ways.we were manipulated.

and who ever not doing so, will go to the opposite place,to infinite suffer. check the sources, the idea of "hell" is not so ancient.hell was the answer. who wasn't affected by the hope for heaven, would be used with the fear to go to hell.

it was those religions that spread out the most. propaganda in the old times would go hand in hand with a sword and a religious book, all over history.

some say religion helped to make the world moral. we don't need heaven to be moral.we need to be moral for other,not because otherwise we will go to hell.you can be a full,moral person without religion.

we wanted god.we needed him for hope,and answers.they gave it to us.brutally. the answers that we looked for now partly exist. we call it science.we no longer need the idea of god.

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You have to always think, what if man did create god. Then who created man? And of course if god created man then who created god?

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This is my opinion and I'm completely entitled to it. I am not forcing others to believe this, so do not be rude. Remember that.

I think, personally, that man created God. I've been raised as a Christian, so I know the faith pretty well. The Bible is a book, written by numerous authors that tell us what is supposed to be "The word of God." There is no proof however, that God exists. (There also isn't any saying he doesn't.)

I believe that God was created because of all the unexplainable things that happen. Because we are human, we automatically want to classify things, but we couldn't, so we built God. If something so extraordinary, so unbelievably epic, to the point where it was our Creator existed, we'd never have anything unexplainable at all. If you don't know why something happened, and no one else on Earth did either, you could simply say, "It was the act of God."

As humans, we need something to believe in. Whether it be God, or evolution, we need something to believe in. Because we don't want to be insignificant. Because we want to believe that things will get better. We want to have hope. We want to think that someone is watching over us, taking care of us. We don't want to be alone.

So, I think, God was created by man, so we could have an explanation for the unexplainable. Because we can't prove anything, really. We want to believe because it is easier than saying there is no answer.

Believing in God gives us a sense of calmness, that there just might be purpose to our life. He gives us hope.

But... Is it really a bad thing?

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OK I'm not going to pose as an expert on the subject but rather as one using common sense reasoning. Now, no matter how far we go back in HIS-story MAN has always been the one who has advised us that there is a God, man says that He (God) created the universe(s) the heavens, the earth all the planets and ALL that exist ANYWHERE. ALL books of religion or submissions to any God were written by men said to be inspired by God, again words of a man. Whenever we cannot explain something the religious man says that these are the works of God, or the Devil of course. Rather than simply saying that WE just haven't figured it out yet. Les go again, The great book (The Bible) states that no man has seen God, yet we gender IT as a man who sits on a throne what does that say? I mean how do we know HE sits if He's not a man, we cant see spirits can we? Nor can we gender a spirit. Isn't it law that you must have male or female properties to be gendered? Genesis states that Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden of Eden. What walks besides some type of actual being? Also Genesis states that God created man in (HIS) image. OK define image: A reproduction of a person or object, esp. a sculptured likeness. It then states that we are after (His) likeness OK define likeness: The state, quality, or fact of being like; resemblance. Or how about God being Almighty and all Powerful, Omnipotent and Omnipresent and is the creator and sustainer of everything that exist yet (He) still is a jealous God? come on family mind up and accept the reality that the only God ever known to man is: MAN!!!

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IF God exists, where was he before he created the world?

IF we where created in his own image, then we are similar to him, we need to procreate to have children, who procreated to have him?

In our world nothing is unique, there is 2 or more of everything why is there only 1 god? Does he have no friends, colleagues?

Who taught god to create this world?

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without a doubt man created God and bloody cults too imho

:D

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man definatly created god, and fuck who ever did that. It was prolly some greedy bastard who found out it was an easy way to get money.

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the god is only the imaginary of we people.if anyone do good work then we say him god for example lord rama did great work for our earth.so, we say him god.and many peole many myths about him.

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There are many religions, and they all have mistakes, and not small ones for what I've seen, and have not looked into many religions but the ones I have just have to many flaws in them.

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Man created gods to explain what they could not explain and as a means to assuage primitive fear of the unknown.

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I think man had created GOD because if man is there, then only god is there.Man worships GOD, if he stops worshiping GOD then no will ask the God!

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Sheep or Shepherd which one are you?

Shep·herd

a. a herder of sheep (on an open range); someone who keeps the sheep together in a flock

b. One who cares for and guides a group of people, as a minister or teacher.

Sheep

a. A person regarded as timid, weak, or submissive.

b. One who is easily swayed or led.

Hey next time you are stuck in traffic and you sit there waiting for the traffic to move just remember what you are.

and for the BIG BANG theory to exist in science it means it is still happening (I E Science proves theories by showing that they repeat not just happen only once) So unless you believe in multiple or parallel Universes {Like Fringe } this theory is as believable as the Bible (Codex Amiatinus written in 692)

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Great question but I think some are taking it literally - to create god doesn't mean it actually exists. Man created Santa clause and the Easter bunny did man also create the existence of a higher power because he could not explain what was going on around him or understand where we came from? We all saw the planes hit the towers but yet some people still believe it was something else that caused them to fall. Only god can answer this question when or if she decides to answer it Up until this point it is a creation of man because god has chosen not to contact us or show us who he/she really is in the literal sense

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Almost none of the creationist posters has any substance in their arguments besides "Genesis said so." As some on the side of Man Created God have pointed out, this is circular reasoning.

If you really do not accept the possibility of evolution and you believe that scientists are brainwashing the public, please consider this hypothetical scenario: Assume you were diagnosed with a deadly form of cancer, which could not be treated effectively with chemotherapy or radiation, which however can be treated using genetic therapy(Such methods have not been developed, but are being reviewed by the FDA). If you decide to treat yourself with genetic therapy, you would be condoning the theory of evolution, which is the root of the treatment. Therefore, either you put your faith in God and hope for a "miracle", or you accept the theory of evolution by taking the treatment. Which would you choose? Just something to think about.

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The hebrew verb bara does NOT mean to create.

If you read a little hebrew and look on the other verses where the verb "bara" is written your hair will rise...

When the septuagint was translated the greeks used the word "poieo " which means "to MAKE" ...

The word "create" as you just read it , was introduced by the Latina Vulgata.

Please see this article :

www.mikebratescu.blogspot.co.uk

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Back when man was wallowing in the mud, and language hadn't even been developed where was God?

The answer is most likely non existent.

When man wanted control over his fellow man but was too weak to accomplish it on his own, he then created a being more powerful than himself to help accomplish the goal.

Thus God was created.

What I mean is that, with no solid evidence we don't know if God is real or not, but with no solid evidence but everyone claiming he exists, we know that the idea is very real. That idea was made by man.

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Primitive man had no understanding of nature. Remember, long before science the human brain could not fathom the laws of nature. It must have been very frightening to witness something like an eclipse of the sun when day turned into night and you can only imagine the sheer terror wrath by a devasting earthquake or other major natural disaster. Unable to explain these natural phenomena, man looked towards the heavens and thought there must be a being or creature responsible for these occurrences and they believed that if they could somehow appease this thing that perhaps they might be spared a calamity. Thus it was through fear and ignorance that man created god.

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Man created God when man had evolved enough to develop the power of reason...the characteristic only man possesses. The creation of God explained the unexplainable so calmed the intuitive fear carried heavy by the beast. Since there is no definitive time for which the two species along the lines of evolution could actually be named "man", there is no moment in time when man magically started to exist. Were Neanderthals man? We know a Neanderthal female bred with a Homo sapien male...was this the beginning of man? Of did man begin to exist when the first Homo sapien had a brain cell capable of reasoning? The latter, of course, would indicate that those of us who still carry DNA from Neanderthals would be less than human...

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GODS

In the beginning, according to words of our “god“, we rationalize, we, all life of God’s creation, we’re all in a garden of no self-awareness, no knowledge of good and evil. Because of our weakness, we became self aware, a human curse. We are cast out of the garden, leaving all the other non-humans safe in their garden. We feel we need back into this pleasant state because the humans of this world make hell on each other. How do we get back? To get back, there MUST be a god, he controls the garden. If so, we must define all the ways to do this. The Bible.

It HAS to be the word of god because that’s the only way we can float this idea to ourselves. We believe anything man touches is corrupted. Look at the centuries of ill treatment to the Jews by their conquerors. Centuries of slavery. Can you imagine what that is like to a people, to their dignity, to their love of family. Totally unfathomable. Generations of nothingness. "God would do this? It MUST be a test. God might do that sort of thing. Look at JOB. This life sucks. Bingo, afterlife, we can win over the domain of man by taking him totally out of control of where we can go when the pain is over. God is our heavenly father and by god, we win over our earthly pain. Is this bad? No, I don’t think so. It’s only what men, outside of a perceived “Garden”, will seek to do. Something that a dog or bird doesn’t have to be concerned with doing.

Defining the meaning of life is “Being Human 101“. We got ourselves kicked out, now how do we get back? WE are men that think we can fix anything. Flaw #1

Look at our world today, technology is the great fixer. It clouds our truth. Technology, according to my mouth is the “Great Deceiver”, our false GOD. He is here. We think we can save ourselves, which, while being noble, is quite a fallacy to religious people. We believe in it, which is ourselves, to meet any challenge. To believe otherwise is like saying in church, “There is no god“.

It’s hard for me to believe that this all knowing creator would enjoy seeing us do our deeds and try to find our way back to the his garden. Woodstock. This sounds too much like the reasoning of man, the source.

This is the why it is said, WE created God. We give him manly reasoning, because we are men. If we could think like god, we would not be in our predicament. Oh, divine hand of god told these men. Really? I could have come up with that one. Enjoy the FERVOR. Got my fire proof suit on, after all, I am human.

I'm NOT trying to change anyone's faith, just don't feel threatened when you encounter those unlike you. I have had my first 18 years of life going to church at 10am Sunday for Sunday school and 11am to 12pm in the regular service and again that night, 6pm to 7pm and 7:30pm on Wednesdays. I know all the theories. Don't feel you need to just show me the way. I'm 63 now. Had I not been exposed this soon in life and had "seen the light" much later after being "lost" and corrupt, then found the tools of religion to give me hope, I feel I would be on the other side of this issue, arguing God created Man.

Created is being confused with parents, a religious sort of thinking. Missing the argument completely, so we are forever engaged in this chicken and egg debate, floating on the surface of self-hypnosis and missing what is right there deep, "too deep", off the your antiquated radar system. We don't pretend to try to find the exact moment it happened, that's not important. We think, therefore we are, therefore, there is God.

Anyone who proposes to speak to Words of God, leaves me with the visual impression of a chimp in an Armani suit holding something and making noise.

All that said, I do believe in a power or reality that we cannot possibly comprehend. We try, oh yes, but so far, I have heard nothing but words from people who are terrified at the thought that life will end and they will be held accountable because that's the way MEN think, not Gods.

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From a purely Public Relations viewpoint, if Jesus would not have rushed off so quickly after the victory, the impact might have went a little better Just puzzled. This is not anti-religion at all, if you find it that way, I apologize, and there's the door. There's no point.

Age 1-18 I went to church every Wednesday night at 7:30 and twice on Sunday and Sunday school. I don't need the Word or saving, been there done that. Just so we understand where we stand.

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Good day to everyone on both sides of this debate. I will do my best to keep this short as possible.

After reviewing comments from both sides, I have come to the conclusion that "We have to take responsibility for ourselves." Remember that we are a short time on this planet. No, it was not possible to come here on our own, but we surly do not require no assistance to leave here. Agreed?

So many of us are making decisions based on an automatic response to past stimuli - we are not consciously aware of our intent, nor are we matching the intent with our gut instinct. If you have a gut instinct to not do something, do not go somewhere, then you don't do it -- and honor it -- and honor your Self.

Now as you can see, I have chosen the side that MAN CREATED GOD, nevertheless I believe in an UNKNOWABLE, UNTHINKABLE, INCOMPREHENSIBLE (TERRIBLE POWER), that no THING could live in IT'S presence, less known to begin to phantom or understand it. Man has created God(s), but what created man is not hard at all to discover if you only apply yourself and get your nose into some good books. You will begin to discover who this supposed God really is. It's not that hard to find out, but if you don't know, I cannot tell you. You got to find this out for yourself!

Furthermore, to even speak about it or express these words in one way or the other brings a physical life in danger. Did you see the movie, "Lord of the Rings", when the hobbit put on the ring, the evil eye could see the hobbit? Well it's something like that and none of us should play around with religious ideas without guides or assistance. It is more dangerous then you know and something beyond our grasp...it's dangerous, including the people who deal with religions! I can't go into the details as to why but take this one from me. (research Archons)

Therefore, it is logical that we cannot really speak about "IT", because our brains do not have the capability to grasp nor understand "IT". The bible itself calls this blasphemy and demands that no one should compare nothing in this life to "IT", which simply IS(NESS).

NONE OF US KNOW! Period. Only at this point of recognition does one place their self in a position to perhaps approach more understanding. Total understanding will never occur in this lifetime. Please face this fact and come to terms with it. DEAL WITH THIS FACT, THAT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN THIS LIFETIME!

Now, this destroys the working faith of believers simply because they have not taken responsibility for their selves, nor their individual personal understanding and belief. Any faith or religion which claims that it is the ultimate truth is from it's very basic false and absurd! I say again, the first sign of a false belief is that it claims to be the only way. You must "think" about this and don't allow yourself to be further deceived or live your life out in a lie.

It's not so much as to what we believe but more so as to why we believe it. Can you relate to that statement? Only a intelligent mind and open heart that possess the responsible freedom of self determination to be truly self-confident and free to unconditionally be responsible for one's self, without be coerced to accept some higher authority. What we are looking for, we already are! Now just do greater things and be a better person, without the mind games and attachments. Got it?

As far as wanting to be saved, I know it's a real touchy subject. If you want to be saved, that's fine. But, between now and the time you do get saved, be responsible for yourself, and teach people and children around you to be responsible for themselves. Passing a belief or religion on to anyone enslaves that person, and in most cases for the rest of their life. This is not doing anyone a justice, rather staggering their personal and individual growth.

We are supposed to become a race of leaders - not a race of sheep. We are supposed to be chiefs and nobody should fall behind or be better then the next person. We are all evolving together, one planet, one people and one love.

In closing, I would like to "Thank- You" for reading my comment on this debate and hope that many of you see what I have to say as a profound message. Please don't ignore each other. We are awesome. Every one of you is awesome. Don't buy into what you have been told (in cultural social reality). It is a lie. You are awesome. But as far as religions and "savior scenario's" is concerned, it has been put into our belief systems to dis-empower us. So free your mind of ghost, dogmas and games which get us nowhere. May you all have a productive and prosperous‎ New Year with good intentions in 2014. {TheOneWhoIs}

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1 point

I want to choose on the middle side... but... there's just no such option (I think)

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
0 points

neither it waas the big bang and then we evolved from other things (not aps they are a common ancester) so yeh

Side: Neither
banned999(143) Disputed
0 points

WHEN I SAY DID MAN CREATE GOD, I DON'T MEAN PHYSICALLY CREATE A BEING KNOWN AS GOD, BUT RATHER WAS THE CHARACTER GOD CREATED FROM THE IMAGINATION OF HUMANS?

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION.

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Humans are animals on Earth just as fish and birds and mammals are. I don't understand why people think that there is something special about them that gives them the privilege to have a god to look after them. What separates humans from other animals is the ability to be creative, and therefore the ability to create god. Modern god/gods are completely imaginary just as the ancient Greek, Celtic, Egyptian, etc. gods where. Religion is simply a series of fairy tales made to explain what people didn't understand. The result: making up an invisible man to blame for everything you can't explain.

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JesusFreak(174) Disputed
1 point

Evolution is a religion.

Merrian-Webster dictionary

religion - a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

now that you know what religion is lets look at how that applies to evolution.

http://www.icr.org/article/455

Evolution defies science.

http://scienceray.com/philosophy-of-science/science-proves-evolution-a-plain-theory- never-reality/

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Here is an interesting question... for those who believe God was once a man (I know you're out there!)

If God was once a man, and the God of that man was once a man, who was the first man to become a God?

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
shorty8876(13) Disputed
1 point

The Creator, The Father, God was never claimed to be a man, Jesus Christ was created by God as his son on earth. God in flesh, simply a form that man could interact with. Jesus Christ died on the cross and was resurected. The concept of a triune God is well documented. To claim the contents of scripture, you must take the time to research the subject. I urge you to read the Bible as a publication, you may find it fascinating and educational.

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Its all about communication dude. I NEVER claimed to believe in that... IN FACT I was trying to DISPROVE that God was once a man. Learn to communicate.

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deepThinker(49) Disputed
2 points

And you would know this how? John1:2 read in context John 1 shows who Jesus was proclaimed to be! You must remember that you a little under 2000 years removed from that time period. If you approach from that viewpoint it would be enlightening.First it needful to realize that apart from few meager sentences we would absolute nothing Jesus. This means that we virtually dependent on the bible to tell who or what Jesus claimed to be. Reasons for how or why the new testament (NT) was written and who or what Jesus actually is are mainly speculation without authority. This issue has been compromised by thousands of religious group trying give you their interpretation (belief) of the NT. So in order to proceed further you need to SHUT OUT ALL THE NOISE and focus on the Biblical record exclusively. Most of the NT is in form of letters so you will be coming in middle of some one else's conversation on top that since it was written on scrolls the wording is brief and chuck full info making hard to read. Now that laid out the approach you are to take you must watch out that you are misreading what is there (remember there are over a thousand religious groups and growing: SO IS THIS EASY TO DO).

Two precautions to take in order not to read into the Bible your own thoughts are: 1) Use the local context first then limit yourself to the author's context (meaning the same scroll) then the historical context (meaning only the scroll that would be available to the author). 2) Use grammar to decide issues. I have done this for many years and I can tell what found briefly(without going into proof):1) Jesus claims to be God (that is why the Jews e him crucified). Quote from Jesus are limited but they can be found but it does matter any way because you're totally dependent the author anyway. 2) The old testament (OT) does support his claim(in a religious sense i.e. fulfillment, theological agreement...).

My understanding of Jesus and his claims (mainly from the NT authors) has lead me to the conclusion that established religion is contrary to the NT. These differences are significant as far as the NT is concerned. But to go over would require a complete Biblical study to compare it with established religion ( i.e. I would draw you conclusions from the bible then compare with modern religion). These conclusion should not surprise you because people only tried unstained the Bible 400 after it was written; that's like trying piece together history of how live was during the founding fathers of the U.S. after that history was destroyed.

When I use to believe these things I've would confronted religious authorities with the evidence leaving completely speechless. But amazingly no one listen to me at all. It is ironic that the Bible predict this very thing; it's one of the few predictions that are fulfillment so post-biblical that they could not be written after the facts. However I now believe that people want to believe something before they find out the facts this colors everything they think about Jesus or the bible in general. I find it passingly strange that those claim to follow the Bible make no effort to learn what says. So as an atheist when people come to me with some religion it looks laughable because I know they don't listen to what it says in the first place. At least I would have respect for them if I know they were trying to understand but I can quickly spot the real thing when I see it. I think religious people can learn allot from the efforts are taken with double blind testing during clinical trials. Something so persuasive on both sides and so filled with a placebo effect on one's emotions when left unchecked produce almost complete inaccuracies. The sum effect of all this is leave one confused that why your only hope understand properly is to SHUT IT OUT to stop the confusion. Once infected with their confusion you may have no hope to understand your target subject; its that difficult.

The best thing you can do is TAKE YOU BIBLE CLOSE THE DOOR AND SHUT IT OUT. & DON'T BET AGAINST 2000 YEARS OF RELIGIOUS CONFUSION YOU WON'T WIN.

Here are few start key verses you shouldn't forget: John 1 but the whole point is John 1:2 John 6:62 compare with John 1:2 same scroll context this shows that title son of man is same as the title son of God.

Galatians 1:1the key phase is "not through a man" right now you don't want to know what this goes against. 1 John4:1-6 key phase "in the flesh" to understand how contemporaries understood the compare it to the same phase in Philippians 1:22-25. Colossians 2:9-10 compare with Col 1:19 the key word & phase here is ""fullness of God' & "dwell" here the point is that this confusing passage is talking about The Holy Spirit remember you have to piece this together. Isaiah 53 key prophecy of Jewish rejection(Isaiah53:1&3;&4;), death (Isaiah53: 8), death with sinners present (Isaiah 53;12), resurrection(Isaiah53;12), and in (Joseph's who was) rich tomb among unbelievers (Isaiah53:9). It is really remarkable that was written 800 years before the NT and word for word confirmed by the Dead Sea Scrolls. This is not everything by no means but it's a start. There is a hell allot could have added here.

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dacey(1046) Disputed
0 points

no. jesus was born to mary and joseph. jesus was then used as a tool in a cruel game of chinese whispers.

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RuSure(9) Clarified
0 points

Here is an interesting question... for those who believe God was once a man (I know you're out there!)

If God was once a man, and the God of that man was once a man, who was the first man to become a God?

Come and let us analyse this for a moment because I know that this is not what you ment to say...

At first you said and I quote "for those who believe God was once a man (I know you're out there!)".

Ok so here I am...

First of all God was never a man before He became God.

That is what your statement is saying right...

"for those who believe God was once a man"...

God created man in His image and in His likeness and that also proves that God existed before man. In actual fact God created the heavens, the earth, day, night, separated seas from land, all the plants etc. the sun moon and stars, the birds the fish and everything in the seas, all the animals and on the final day that He actually worked (the sixth day) He created man in His likeness and image.

Now this shouldn't be a shock to you.

There was only one incident where God took upon Himself the form of man.

Why would a God do this?

Here is something I wrote in another post here on CreateDebate and I trust that this would be the beginning of a new ideology if you could grasp it...

[And you did not believe because you cannot see God].

So God had a plan:

John 3:16 So this God sent His only son for mankind to see because man claims that seeing is believing and He died for you all men so that they may be saved and live with Him forever after time is fulfilled because He LOVES YOU SO MUCH.

He is the author and the finisher of your faith (Heb. 12:2) if you will allow Him.

All that you have to do:

Romans10:8-10 (KJV).

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Take a step of faith:

Romans 12:3 (KJV).

3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

[this faith is just enough for you to accept Him]

2 Corinthians 10:15 (KJV).

15 Not boasting of things without our measure, that is, of other men's labours; but having hope, when your faith is increased, that we shall be enlarged by you according to our rule abundantly.

[your faith will grow]

Ephesians 4:13 (KJV).

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

It was predestinated by God for you to read this and the question to you is this... Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour...?

Before you answer this I have one last scripture for you...

Deuteronomy 30:19 (KJV).

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.

It will not be easy. Do not let anybody lie to you.

The BIBLE doesn't call it the narrow road for nothing...

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Evangelist Cornelius H. Müller.

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Galatians 6:2 (KJV).

2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Luke 22:32 (KJV).

32. But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Never hesitate, to reply...

Ο ΘΕΌΣ ΝΑ ΣΑΣ ΕΥΛΟΓΕΊ ...

(O THEÓS NA SAS EV̱LOGEÍ) ...

GOD BLESS YOU....

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
1 point

'First of all God was never a man before He became God.'

Then my question isn't directed at you. The question is meant for people who do believe God was a man. You didn't answer the question, only questioned the premise of it. The whole point of the question was to make those who do believe God was a man to second guess their beliefs. As though this silly question reflects my beliefs... lol. Are you illiterate or that blinded by desperation to get your message out? For the record I do believe in God, and am offended that you assumed otherwise.

Side: GOD CREATED MAN
0 points

taking into consideration that each religion believes in its own god, how come the christian god is known as god but all other religions gods have names;considering the word god, according to the dictionary,quote, GOD,n[ME.god,godd;AS.god,god;akin to L.G.god;M.H.G.got;Ice.godh;Sw.gud;Dan.gud;Goth.guth,god. The word is common to teut. toungues,but not identified outside off them.It was generally in plural, and neuter.It was applied to heathen deities and later,when the teutonic peoples were converted to christianity,the word was elevated to the christian sense.There is no conection between god and good in form, nor was the conception of goodness prominent in the heathen conception of a deity]

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
0 points

in todays world everything needs proof

if god created us where's da proof????????????

nd if v created him i.e., not physically but his stories den der r a lot of of proofs egs, religious books.......who was da 1 2 write these books

v humansdid write it

how did they come 2 know abt what had happened in da past?

it definately proofs dat man created god

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RuSure(9) Disputed
1 point

in todays world everything needs proof

if god created us where's da proof????????????

If man created God, who made that lovely little baby on your profile pick? Did your husband do it? Did you do it?

Are you sure...?! GENUINE...!!!

Did your husband use a scissors to cut the two sells in two after they became ONE? Two complete sells became one right? So after becoming one he cut the one into two identical sells and both remained whole and not two halves or one sell that was destroyed. Right...?

Or did you do that?

And either one of you's did this until the was just enough sells like there should have been according to your baby was genetically structured 100% perfect.

Do you really think that you or your husband has the ability to perform such miraculous wonders.

So how did you and your husband get it right?!

Common, out with it... Why don't you share with us your secret on evolution because I'm very sure that the most brilliant minds in the scientific world would pay you billions to know!!!

Do you want proof that there is a God out there?

DO YOU REALLY?!!!

Can I proove it to you by just asking you only one question.......?

Ready?

Do you own a mirror?

Romans 10:1-10 (KJV).

1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. 5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

You should never doubt that there is a God.

The voice of creation is shouting to you through God's perfection and grace.

The only question is, will you listen to its voice and change your mind...?

God loves you so much that He made His Son come to earth so that those who believe that seeing is believing would accept Him but the sad story is that they did not so they crusified Jesus and God's plan became manifest so that Jesus payed the price once and for all so that you don't have to pay for your own sins.

All you have to do is to confess with your mouth and believe with your heart that Jesus is the Son of God that came to earth to die so that you can Live.

Now change your mind and confess Him and live.

1 John 1:8-10 (KJV).

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Deuteronomy 30:19-20 (KJV).

19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: 20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

For the rest of your questions you can mail me...

From:

Evangelist Cornelius H. Müller.

Contact me on:

[email protected]

or

+27 81 852 3322.

+27 74 585 3311.

Fax2 E-mail:

+2786-571-4054.

Galatians 6:2 (KJV).

2. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Luke 22:32 (KJV).

32. But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Never hesitate, to reply...

Ο ΘΕΌΣ ΝΑ ΣΑΣ ΕΥΛΟΓΕΊ ...

(O THEÓS NA SAS EV̱LOGEÍ) ...

GOD BLESS YOU....

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Cuaroc(8712) Disputed
2 points

Now i have challenge for you.

Ready?

Prove without the use of holy scriptures that a god any god will do exists.

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dec8jelly(151) Disputed
1 point

dear only one dat i wud like to say is dat......

I DONT HAVE A HUSBAND M NOT MARRIED YET ND NOT EVEN ELIGIBLE YET CUZ M STILL 17

nd sweety....dont u think dat dese words were written by some human so my point still stands rite.......

nd plz mind wat ur sayin cuz i didnt like da 1st part.....

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KatieMarie(288) Disputed
0 points

We are mostly adults on here. We dont use "da" "r" "den" and "der" spell out the words, or go back to middle school.

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dec8jelly(151) Disputed
0 points

i'm sorry katie!!!!!!!!!!!

i just type them cause i'm comfortable in typing them

ill consider your advise and spell out the words from next time

Side: MAN CREATED GOD
-1 points

A simple story. No need for the meandrine moonshine of 'erudite intelligentsia'. Just take yourself back in time & examine unvarnished facts.

Please acknowledge that the primitive mind was bound to generate quite naturally, mythological imagery of an Elysian nature. Also, one must accept that the relative ignorance of early humans, coupled with understandable fears of the unknown, provided those individuals seeking power over their fellows (a natural human trait) with the conditions to set up as Medicine -Men - Witch-Doctors - Sorcerers & Soothsayers etc, all claiming to have insights & contact with a 'Power' - of sorts. So began the blight of Shamanism.

As time unveiled the past, these facts have not been fully appreciated, hence the ensuing rash of Religiosity has not been branded for what it really is - an early conceive, of ignorance & apprehension, perpetuated through millennia by impostors - preying on credulous naivety.

The natural process of evolution, via many devious pious paths, has now landed us with the present crop of Archbishops - Ayatollahs - Rabbis - Popes - Imams - JWs plus a host of other hypocritical sect leaders, incessantly brainwashing the largely unthinking masses with their ridiculous & childish 'Holy Beliefs'.

The Billy Grahams of the World, gifted with gab & showmanship, use their 'bewitching powers' to prey on the gullibility of the artless.

Yes indeed, in modern form, the Witch Doctors are STILL at it. - Mountebanks all!

Supporting Evidence: What a Wonderful World (www.absurdbelief.info)
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