man created god. not only as a way to gain rulership and power but also as a scapegoat for the benefit of their own conscience.As far as the bible goes, it is just another book . this applies to all religions

I find it funny that some of you are saying "I couldn't create a God, man can't create a God". No one is saying they or someone else created with their own hands, a physical or spiritual being that exists in a temple, or lives in the heavens. "Man created God" means that human kind created the idea that something greater exists beyond us and named it God.

Your only argument that God exists is based on man-made books. All of your "proof" is coming from the best selling BOOK ever. That's all it is; a book. A great guideline for how people should live and do right by humankind. It may possibly be an account of events that went down and people that may have truly existed. It is still not evidence that this God exists.

It is very likely that man created the concept of gods and other spiritual forces. Under no circumstance has the existence of a god or gods been backed by strong evidence or well-tested theory. The more specific the conception of a god, the more detailed the stories about what that god did or does, the less evidence there is to support the claims.

Even more so, scientific inquiry, experiments, and research have demonstrated that many claims are flat-out false.

Most people of a religious persuasion rely on the flimsiest of "evidence" or philosophical arguments to defend their beliefs. Almost in every case, the religious individual would never accept the same level or sort of evidence/arguments from another person defending their beliefs.

For instance, speaking with many on the question of their faith I have heard the same argument for why they believe what they believe: faith itself. They have "faith", they believe deep-down that it is true...therefore it is.

Now, who would ever accept such an argument when it doesn't pertain to their own beliefs? Also, they don't have much of an answer for when I ask the obvious follow-up: "What about the faith of opposing religions?"

All evidence points to "god" as a psychological construct. It's likely that the construct has helped many types of humans survive; an adaptation perhaps. People who believed in a god were more likely to survive, for whatever reason. That's why the concept is still around, the people who have a tendency to believe in it still exist.

At some point, though, people will probably grow out of the idea of god. The individuals who stubbornly cling to outdated beliefs that are no longer useful may find it difficult to adapt to an increasingly scientific and knowledge-based world. Whosoever does not buck religion may end up extinct.

what makes man different from his fellow organisms on earth?

curiosity.

the search for knowledge,technology,and answers.

from the beginning of man`s, we were searching for answers about life`s greatest mysteries.

when we looked up in the sky, when we tried to find order in the world that was all we knew,it was answers that we were looking for.

in those times, we didn't have what is now called "science".

the smartest were those who spoke well and were very charismatic.

and we called these men prophets.

some of them did things that science could explain partly.

but, back then it was magic.take a car back to the bible and it is magic. but we were not satisfied. we wanted to know the source of this magic and use it.

and so along history,some if not a small part of those we called prophets, used our curiosity.

they told us stories,and myth,that made us shake.

they told us how to reach for the source of what we used to call magic.and each had a different story.some of them manipulated us, trying to make us work for them,worship their philosophy.and surprisingly,we still do.in the middle ages you would pay the priest for redemption.

most and worst of all, they promised us one more thing:

the thing we wanted most of all, hope.we were eager to find what is in the after-life, and they supplied the answers.they would show us the path for heaven, and surprisingly it would depend on us following their ways.we were manipulated.

and who ever not doing so, will go to the opposite place,to infinite suffer. check the sources, the idea of "hell" is not so ancient.hell was the answer. who wasn't affected by the hope for heaven, would be used with the fear to go to hell.

it was those religions that spread out the most. propaganda in the old times would go hand in hand with a sword and a religious book, all over history.

some say religion helped to make the world moral. we don't need heaven to be moral.we need to be moral for other,not because otherwise we will go to hell.you can be a full,moral person without religion.

we wanted god.we needed him for hope,and answers.they gave it to us.brutally. the answers that we looked for now partly exist. we call it science.we no longer need the idea of god.

You have to always think, what if man did create god. Then who created man? And of course if god created man then who created god?

This is my opinion and I'm completely entitled to it. I am not forcing others to believe this, so do not be rude. Remember that.

I think, personally, that man created God. I've been raised as a Christian, so I know the faith pretty well. The Bible is a book, written by numerous authors that tell us what is supposed to be "The word of God." There is no proof however, that God exists. (There also isn't any saying he doesn't.)

I believe that God was created because of all the unexplainable things that happen. Because we are human, we automatically want to classify things, but we couldn't, so we built God. If something so extraordinary, so unbelievably epic, to the point where it was our Creator existed, we'd never have anything unexplainable at all. If you don't know why something happened, and no one else on Earth did either, you could simply say, "It was the act of God."

As humans, we need something to believe in. Whether it be God, or evolution, we need something to believe in. Because we don't want to be insignificant. Because we want to believe that things will get better. We want to have hope. We want to think that someone is watching over us, taking care of us. We don't want to be alone.

So, I think, God was created by man, so we could have an explanation for the unexplainable. Because we can't prove anything, really. We want to believe because it is easier than saying there is no answer.

Believing in God gives us a sense of calmness, that there just might be purpose to our life. He gives us hope.

But... Is it really a bad thing?

OK I'm not going to pose as an expert on the subject but rather as one using common sense reasoning. Now, no matter how far we go back in HIS-story MAN has always been the one who has advised us that there is a God, man says that He (God) created the universe(s) the heavens, the earth all the planets and ALL that exist ANYWHERE. ALL books of religion or submissions to any God were written by men said to be inspired by God, again words of a man. Whenever we cannot explain something the religious man says that these are the works of God, or the Devil of course. Rather than simply saying that WE just haven't figured it out yet. Les go again, The great book (The Bible) states that no man has seen God, yet we gender IT as a man who sits on a throne what does that say? I mean how do we know HE sits if He's not a man, we cant see spirits can we? Nor can we gender a spirit. Isn't it law that you must have male or female properties to be gendered? Genesis states that Adam and Eve heard God walking in the garden of Eden. What walks besides some type of actual being? Also Genesis states that God created man in (HIS) image. OK define image: A reproduction of a person or object, esp. a sculptured likeness. It then states that we are after (His) likeness OK define likeness: The state, quality, or fact of being like; resemblance. Or how about God being Almighty and all Powerful, Omnipotent and Omnipresent and is the creator and sustainer of everything that exist yet (He) still is a jealous God? come on family mind up and accept the reality that the only God ever known to man is: MAN!!!

IF God exists, where was he before he created the world?

IF we where created in his own image, then we are similar to him, we need to procreate to have children, who procreated to have him?

In our world nothing is unique, there is 2 or more of everything why is there only 1 god? Does he have no friends, colleagues?

Who taught god to create this world?

without a doubt man created God and bloody cults too imho

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man definatly created god, and fuck who ever did that. It was prolly some greedy bastard who found out it was an easy way to get money.

the god is only the imaginary of we people.if anyone do good work then we say him god for example lord rama did great work for our earth.so, we say him god.and many peole many myths about him.

There are many religions, and they all have mistakes, and not small ones for what I've seen, and have not looked into many religions but the ones I have just have to many flaws in them.

Man created gods to explain what they could not explain and as a means to assuage primitive fear of the unknown.

I think man had created GOD because if man is there, then only god is there.Man worships GOD, if he stops worshiping GOD then no will ask the God!

Sheep or Shepherd which one are you?

Shep·herd

a. a herder of sheep (on an open range); someone who keeps the sheep together in a flock

b. One who cares for and guides a group of people, as a minister or teacher.

Sheep

a. A person regarded as timid, weak, or submissive.

b. One who is easily swayed or led.

Hey next time you are stuck in traffic and you sit there waiting for the traffic to move just remember what you are.

and for the BIG BANG theory to exist in science it means it is still happening (I E Science proves theories by showing that they repeat not just happen only once) So unless you believe in multiple or parallel Universes {Like Fringe } this theory is as believable as the Bible (Codex Amiatinus written in 692)

Great question but I think some are taking it literally - to create god doesn't mean it actually exists. Man created Santa clause and the Easter bunny did man also create the existence of a higher power because he could not explain what was going on around him or understand where we came from? We all saw the planes hit the towers but yet some people still believe it was something else that caused them to fall. Only god can answer this question when or if she decides to answer it Up until this point it is a creation of man because god has chosen not to contact us or show us who he/she really is in the literal sense

Almost none of the creationist posters has any substance in their arguments besides "Genesis said so." As some on the side of Man Created God have pointed out, this is circular reasoning.

If you really do not accept the possibility of evolution and you believe that scientists are brainwashing the public, please consider this hypothetical scenario: Assume you were diagnosed with a deadly form of cancer, which could not be treated effectively with chemotherapy or radiation, which however can be treated using genetic therapy(Such methods have not been developed, but are being reviewed by the FDA). If you decide to treat yourself with genetic therapy, you would be condoning the theory of evolution, which is the root of the treatment. Therefore, either you put your faith in God and hope for a "miracle", or you accept the theory of evolution by taking the treatment. Which would you choose? Just something to think about.

The hebrew verb bara does NOT mean to create.

If you read a little hebrew and look on the other verses where the verb "bara" is written your hair will rise...

When the septuagint was translated the greeks used the word "poieo " which means "to MAKE" ...

The word "create" as you just read it , was introduced by the Latina Vulgata.

Please see this article :

www.mikebratescu.blogspot.co.uk

Back when man was wallowing in the mud, and language hadn't even been developed where was God?

The answer is most likely non existent.

When man wanted control over his fellow man but was too weak to accomplish it on his own, he then created a being more powerful than himself to help accomplish the goal.

Thus God was created.

What I mean is that, with no solid evidence we don't know if God is real or not, but with no solid evidence but everyone claiming he exists, we know that the idea is very real. That idea was made by man.

Primitive man had no understanding of nature. Remember, long before science the human brain could not fathom the laws of nature. It must have been very frightening to witness something like an eclipse of the sun when day turned into night and you can only imagine the sheer terror wrath by a devasting earthquake or other major natural disaster. Unable to explain these natural phenomena, man looked towards the heavens and thought there must be a being or creature responsible for these occurrences and they believed that if they could somehow appease this thing that perhaps they might be spared a calamity. Thus it was through fear and ignorance that man created god.

Man created God when man had evolved enough to develop the power of reason...the characteristic only man possesses. The creation of God explained the unexplainable so calmed the intuitive fear carried heavy by the beast. Since there is no definitive time for which the two species along the lines of evolution could actually be named "man", there is no moment in time when man magically started to exist. Were Neanderthals man? We know a Neanderthal female bred with a Homo sapien male...was this the beginning of man? Of did man begin to exist when the first Homo sapien had a brain cell capable of reasoning? The latter, of course, would indicate that those of us who still carry DNA from Neanderthals would be less than human...

GODS

In the beginning, according to words of our “god“, we rationalize, we, all life of God’s creation, we’re all in a garden of no self-awareness, no knowledge of good and evil. Because of our weakness, we became self aware, a human curse. We are cast out of the garden, leaving all the other non-humans safe in their garden. We feel we need back into this pleasant state because the humans of this world make hell on each other. How do we get back? To get back, there MUST be a god, he controls the garden. If so, we must define all the ways to do this. The Bible.

It HAS to be the word of god because that’s the only way we can float this idea to ourselves. We believe anything man touches is corrupted. Look at the centuries of ill treatment to the Jews by their conquerors. Centuries of slavery. Can you imagine what that is like to a people, to their dignity, to their love of family. Totally unfathomable. Generations of nothingness. "God would do this? It MUST be a test. God might do that sort of thing. Look at JOB. This life sucks. Bingo, afterlife, we can win over the domain of man by taking him totally out of control of where we can go when the pain is over. God is our heavenly father and by god, we win over our earthly pain. Is this bad? No, I don’t think so. It’s only what men, outside of a perceived “Garden”, will seek to do. Something that a dog or bird doesn’t have to be concerned with doing.

Defining the meaning of life is “Being Human 101“. We got ourselves kicked out, now how do we get back? WE are men that think we can fix anything. Flaw #1

Look at our world today, technology is the great fixer. It clouds our truth. Technology, according to my mouth is the “Great Deceiver”, our false GOD. He is here. We think we can save ourselves, which, while being noble, is quite a fallacy to religious people. We believe in it, which is ourselves, to meet any challenge. To believe otherwise is like saying in church, “There is no god“.

It’s hard for me to believe that this all knowing creator would enjoy seeing us do our deeds and try to find our way back to the his garden. Woodstock. This sounds too much like the reasoning of man, the source.

This is the why it is said, WE created God. We give him manly reasoning, because we are men. If we could think like god, we would not be in our predicament. Oh, divine hand of god told these men. Really? I could have come up with that one. Enjoy the FERVOR. Got my fire proof suit on, after all, I am human.

I'm NOT trying to change anyone's faith, just don't feel threatened when you encounter those unlike you. I have had my first 18 years of life going to church at 10am Sunday for Sunday school and 11am to 12pm in the regular service and again that night, 6pm to 7pm and 7:30pm on Wednesdays. I know all the theories. Don't feel you need to just show me the way. I'm 63 now. Had I not been exposed this soon in life and had "seen the light" much later after being "lost" and corrupt, then found the tools of religion to give me hope, I feel I would be on the other side of this issue, arguing God created Man.

Created is being confused with parents, a religious sort of thinking. Missing the argument completely, so we are forever engaged in this chicken and egg debate, floating on the surface of self-hypnosis and missing what is right there deep, "too deep", off the your antiquated radar system. We don't pretend to try to find the exact moment it happened, that's not important. We think, therefore we are, therefore, there is God.

Anyone who proposes to speak to Words of God, leaves me with the visual impression of a chimp in an Armani suit holding something and making noise.

All that said, I do believe in a power or reality that we cannot possibly comprehend. We try, oh yes, but so far, I have heard nothing but words from people who are terrified at the thought that life will end and they will be held accountable because that's the way MEN think, not Gods.

From a purely Public Relations viewpoint, if Jesus would not have rushed off so quickly after the victory, the impact might have went a little better Just puzzled. This is not anti-religion at all, if you find it that way, I apologize, and there's the door. There's no point.

Age 1-18 I went to church every Wednesday night at 7:30 and twice on Sunday and Sunday school. I don't need the Word or saving, been there done that. Just so we understand where we stand.

Good day to everyone on both sides of this debate. I will do my best to keep this short as possible.

After reviewing comments from both sides, I have come to the conclusion that "We have to take responsibility for ourselves." Remember that we are a short time on this planet. No, it was not possible to come here on our own, but we surly do not require no assistance to leave here. Agreed?

So many of us are making decisions based on an automatic response to past stimuli - we are not consciously aware of our intent, nor are we matching the intent with our gut instinct. If you have a gut instinct to not do something, do not go somewhere, then you don't do it -- and honor it -- and honor your Self.

Now as you can see, I have chosen the side that MAN CREATED GOD, nevertheless I believe in an UNKNOWABLE, UNTHINKABLE, INCOMPREHENSIBLE (TERRIBLE POWER), that no THING could live in IT'S presence, less known to begin to phantom or understand it. Man has created God(s), but what created man is not hard at all to discover if you only apply yourself and get your nose into some good books. You will begin to discover who this supposed God really is. It's not that hard to find out, but if you don't know, I cannot tell you. You got to find this out for yourself!

Furthermore, to even speak about it or express these words in one way or the other brings a physical life in danger. Did you see the movie, "Lord of the Rings", when the hobbit put on the ring, the evil eye could see the hobbit? Well it's something like that and none of us should play around with religious ideas without guides or assistance. It is more dangerous then you know and something beyond our grasp...it's dangerous, including the people who deal with religions! I can't go into the details as to why but take this one from me. (research Archons)

Therefore, it is logical that we cannot really speak about "IT", because our brains do not have the capability to grasp nor understand "IT". The bible itself calls this blasphemy and demands that no one should compare nothing in this life to "IT", which simply IS(NESS).

NONE OF US KNOW! Period. Only at this point of recognition does one place their self in a position to perhaps approach more understanding. Total understanding will never occur in this lifetime. Please face this fact and come to terms with it. DEAL WITH THIS FACT, THAT YOU WILL NEVER KNOW IN THIS LIFETIME!

Now, this destroys the working faith of believers simply because they have not taken responsibility for their selves, nor their individual personal understanding and belief. Any faith or religion which claims that it is the ultimate truth is from it's very basic false and absurd! I say again, the first sign of a false belief is that it claims to be the only way. You must "think" about this and don't allow yourself to be further deceived or live your life out in a lie.

It's not so much as to what we believe but more so as to why we believe it. Can you relate to that statement? Only a intelligent mind and open heart that possess the responsible freedom of self determination to be truly self-confident and free to unconditionally be responsible for one's self, without be coerced to accept some higher authority. What we are looking for, we already are! Now just do greater things and be a better person, without the mind games and attachments. Got it?

As far as wanting to be saved, I know it's a real touchy subject. If you want to be saved, that's fine. But, between now and the time you do get saved, be responsible for yourself, and teach people and children around you to be responsible for themselves. Passing a belief or religion on to anyone enslaves that person, and in most cases for the rest of their life. This is not doing anyone a justice, rather staggering their personal and individual growth.

We are supposed to become a race of leaders - not a race of sheep. We are supposed to be chiefs and nobody should fall behind or be better then the next person. We are all evolving together, one planet, one people and one love.

In closing, I would like to "Thank- You" for reading my comment on this debate and hope that many of you see what I have to say as a profound message. Please don't ignore each other. We are awesome. Every one of you is awesome. Don't buy into what you have been told (in cultural social reality). It is a lie. You are awesome. But as far as religions and "savior scenario's" is concerned, it has been put into our belief systems to dis-empower us. So free your mind of ghost, dogmas and games which get us nowhere. May you all have a productive and prosperous‎ New Year with good intentions in 2014. {TheOneWhoIs}

I want to choose on the middle side... but... there's just no such option (I think)

neither it waas the big bang and then we evolved from other things (not aps they are a common ancester) so yeh

Humans are animals on Earth just as fish and birds and mammals are. I don't understand why people think that there is something special about them that gives them the privilege to have a god to look after them. What separates humans from other animals is the ability to be creative, and therefore the ability to create god. Modern god/gods are completely imaginary just as the ancient Greek, Celtic, Egyptian, etc. gods where. Religion is simply a series of fairy tales made to explain what people didn't understand. The result: making up an invisible man to blame for everything you can't explain.

Here is an interesting question... for those who believe God was once a man (I know you're out there!)

If God was once a man, and the God of that man was once a man, who was the first man to become a God?

taking into consideration that each religion believes in its own god, how come the christian god is known as god but all other religions gods have names;considering the word god, according to the dictionary,quote, GOD,n[ME.god,godd;AS.god,god;akin to L.G.god;M.H.G.got;Ice.godh;Sw.gud;Dan.gud;Goth.guth,god. The word is common to teut. toungues,but not identified outside off them.It was generally in plural, and neuter.It was applied to heathen deities and later,when the teutonic peoples were converted to christianity,the word was elevated to the christian sense.There is no conection between god and good in form, nor was the conception of goodness prominent in the heathen conception of a deity]

in todays world everything needs proof

if god created us where's da proof????????????

nd if v created him i.e., not physically but his stories den der r a lot of of proofs egs, religious books.......who was da 1 2 write these books

v humansdid write it

how did they come 2 know abt what had happened in da past?

it definately proofs dat man created god

A simple story. No need for the meandrine moonshine of 'erudite intelligentsia'. Just take yourself back in time & examine unvarnished facts.

Please acknowledge that the primitive mind was bound to generate quite naturally, mythological imagery of an Elysian nature. Also, one must accept that the relative ignorance of early humans, coupled with understandable fears of the unknown, provided those individuals seeking power over their fellows (a natural human trait) with the conditions to set up as Medicine -Men - Witch-Doctors - Sorcerers & Soothsayers etc, all claiming to have insights & contact with a 'Power' - of sorts. So began the blight of Shamanism.

As time unveiled the past, these facts have not been fully appreciated, hence the ensuing rash of Religiosity has not been branded for what it really is - an early conceive, of ignorance & apprehension, perpetuated through millennia by impostors - preying on credulous naivety.

The natural process of evolution, via many devious pious paths, has now landed us with the present crop of Archbishops - Ayatollahs - Rabbis - Popes - Imams - JWs plus a host of other hypocritical sect leaders, incessantly brainwashing the largely unthinking masses with their ridiculous & childish 'Holy Beliefs'.

The Billy Grahams of the World, gifted with gab & showmanship, use their 'bewitching powers' to prey on the gullibility of the artless.

Yes indeed, in modern form, the Witch Doctors are STILL at it. - Mountebanks all!