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Debate Score:1087
Arguments:518
Total Votes:1384
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DO GODS EXIST??

YES

Side Score: 526
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NO

Side Score: 561
9 points

I believe in one God so I guess my answer should be no with Gods plural.

I have no proof of the existence of this one true God but I know I feel it all around me and see it in my children and try to reflect it in my actions. I do not go to church on Sunday and I do not think its necessary to worship God in building a with others.

Side: yes
7 points

You do have proof my friend. Let your faith be reinforced in the proof of his existence that is his work: The magical universe!

Side: yes
anonymous12(7) Disputed
1 point

What evidence do you have that the universe was created by anything sentient?

Side: No
stmac10(59) Disputed
1 point

That the way to do it!... If you don't understand something, or cannot accept that something is as yet still unknown...simplify!! Dumb it down! A big man in the sky with a beard waved a magic wand and ping..universe is ready! having a god of the gaps is great isn't it!

Side: No
jonny 23(7) Disputed
1 point

I believe in God also but how do you not have any proof when there is a bible? how do you see it in your children and feel it around you but you can't take an hour out of your week to go to church and learn more. Get some information from churches and other believers and realize that if you know God is out there than why not worship him?? Why not do what he asks of us? Why not do something good when he's the one whos given you true life?!

Side: No
anonymous12(7) Disputed
4 points

Ok, so the bible is evidence of god? Well, I'm making a new book, and this is what it says:

"THE BIBLE II, ONLINE EDITION: jonny 23 created the universe, life, and everything 20 minutes ago. This includes all of our thoughts and memories, so we do not realize that the universe was created 20 minutes ago. jonny 23 is, in fact, God. Now you, child of jonny 23, bow down in prayer, donate to me, build a place of worship, and blow up everyone who doesn't believe." Now I have evidence. You cannot prove me wrong.

Side: yes
3 points

How does the bible prove god? it's only a book written by humans.

Side: No
usps(363) Disputed
1 point

I don't have proof that everyone else doesn't already have! And I don't believe I need to go to a building to worship! I can do that when ever and wear ever I choose, as for doing what he asks of us....I do!

Side: yes
stmac10(59) Disputed
1 point

'Faith' is what you have in things that don't exist

Side: No
8 points

the debate over the Criteria for existence continues:

-is a lack of physical observation and materialistic experience sufficient to Disprove God's existence?

-is emotional or immaterial experience of God sufficient to Prove it?

here's an argument For the existence of God:

1-god is spirit: therefore immaterial and invisible

2-therefore the existence of God CANNOT BE TESTED by mere lack of physical evidence of his being or residence

(2a-example: the loch ness monster. does it exist? well, can we find it? see it? does it leave 'footprints'? does it show up on sonar? we look for physical evidence of the existence of physical beings, supplemented by deduction and induction.)

(2b-how does one look for immaterial beings?)

3-immaterial, invisible things exist, such as: Purpose, Truth and Falsity, Knowledge, Character, Innocence, Logic, Commitment, and the Emotions.

(3a-this is a short list. most any concept, quality, or abstract thing would qualify)

(3b-materialists would say knowledge, etc, and especially emotions are not abstract but are merely chemicals and electricity in the brain.

this is an insufficient description-

emotions may have a physical cause (i disagree) and a physical manifestation (indisputable) and still transcend them-

knowledge may be stored physically and still be abstract-

form is not matter, yet interacts with it.

commitment, etc, are even less physical.

what of truth? logic? modern science has these as their foundation: having the intent to discover Reality (the True way things are) by methodical, logical means.)

4-therefore, a materialist does not have a complete, comprehensive, exhaustive knowledge of the universe

(4a-and can only describe the physical manifestations of immaterial things, not their essence. just like someone may follow the letter of the law and disobey the Spirit of it. this is the use of a technicality to escape the intent and purpose of a rule)

5-therefore the test of God's existence is not materialistic.

TO BE CONTINUED

Side: yes
5 points

Scientists can induce the same feeling people experience at church

by poking there brains in certain areas with electric things.

Side: Agnostic FTW
4 points

yeah, I upvoted your downvote. You'll notice in religious debates you get downvoted for bringing up pesky facts, but I read the same study. Consequently there are drugs that induce the same feeling as church as well, wonder why church goers are so anti-drugs with that in mind...

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
5 points

I'm sorry guys, but how does a drug that induces feelings prove Gods don't exist? I mean, if I can induce you to "see" a car in front of you, now that doesn't prove cars don't exist, does it?

Side: yes
4 points

Yes.

Anybody who has felt at peace with God would understand His existance.

I need to get back in touch with my spiritual side. That's when I was most content with life.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
5 points

That's odd.

Because I thought I had experienced "His existance"

back when I was indoctrinated,

and I find that I am most content when I shed myself of silly dillusions.

Feeling arguements are for church. This is a debate site.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
3 points

My friend, just because you are most content when you don't believe, doesn't mean Gods don't exist either.

And surely all debate sites can accommodate debates on most matters, feelings included?

Side: yes
Kinda(1649) Disputed
3 points

HAHAHAHAHAAAAA.

If you'd understood his presence like I had you wouldn't even dare to make such ignorant statements.

It was as real as feeling the sun beat on my back. I don't see you dismiss that feeling.

Side: yes
jonny 23(7) Disputed
3 points

God is no silly dillusion! Thank you but most of us agree with the fact that God exsists. Look up your information if your so smart. This is a debate if you can't fricken tell. I disagree with your ignorant statements.

Side: yes
nahga(81) Disputed
2 points

so your proof for a deity is your very own 'feelings?' well that's convenient . my feelings are proof of my feelings.

Side: NO
3 points

Humans make Gods. So Gods exist to humans. ------------------

Side: yes
ljagx(6) Disputed
4 points

Humans also make mistakes. We aren't the only species to make mistakes, yet we are the only species that illustrates false hopes in the medium of religion...

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

We're actually not arguing about whether humans make mistakes. We're talking about whether Gods exist...

Side: yes
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

Yes, human beings conceived gods. that makes said gods no more likely to exist than if they were never conceived at all.

Side: NO
3 points

the title of this debate requires clarification:

What is a God??

Side: yes
2 points

because

->if we are talking about things people worship, such as money, fame, power, winning, pleasure, science, ancestors, idols s.a. bronze serpents, etc

->then we can indeed say that humans make gods, and we are using an old (and still applicable) definition of the word.

humans can choose what they will worship and can therefore "make" their gods

Side: yes
2 points

because

->if we are talking about the God of the bible,

->then we had better leave out the above, because he falls into a different category

->since we can prove his existence, observe his actions, and experience his love

Side: yes
aveskde(1936) Disputed
4 points

->if we are talking about the God of the bible,

->then we had better leave out the above, because he falls into a different category

->since we can prove his existence, observe his actions, and experience his love

Sorry, but your god isn't special. Talk to the Muslims, Hindus, Sheiks, and so on who all feel their gods' love, and can "prove" its existence.

All religions claim to have a powerful truth, claim to offer proof. All religions come up short when their claims about the nature of the universe are tested scientifically. One can reasonably infer that if a religion makes false claims, it is probably man made with no god.

Side: No
0 points

because

->if we are talking about greek gods, or hindu gods, or things such as spirits and witchdoctors, or just plain magic,

->then are we talking about their existence? practicality? scientific verification?

Side: yes
3 points

yes there may be no proof but yes w must ask our selves why does it rain a person who says god is not real would be quiet stupid to think so.then we ask them are you religious

Side: yes
3 points

Depends on your religious views. Polytheism is the belief in multiple gods. Monotheism is believing in a single god.

Side: yes
4 points

Whether a polytheist or monotheist, religion is a tool to control people.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses." Karl Marx

Side: No
Liddy(36) Disputed
2 points

And how does your comment dispute mine?.... Quit following me around.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

Belief in God doesn't mean you have to subscribe to any religion at all.

Side: yes
3 points

Yes god exists. I wasn't sure for a long time but I know that god is real. I have felt the spirit of GOD!

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
3 points

Once when I was a little kid I felt there was crazy clown in my closet with a butcher knife waiting to kill me.

I mean, I never saw the crazy clown, heck, my parents even checked to make sure there wasn't a crazy clown in my closet.

But since I felt the crazy clowns presence, the crazy clown must exist...

._.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

That crazy clown exist and why he didn't do you in with his butcher knife is mystery. The clown and God both exist. Maybe it was God that stopped him?

Side: yes
3 points

I am not religious or anything but I still like to think god exists. We can see god as someone that we should be. We should be kind like god, we should care for others like god. I think that is what god's meaning is.

Although, people say that we can not see, touch, taste, smell, hear god but if we say that, can we see your brain, touch your brain, taste your brain, smell your brain, hear your brain? We can't, unless you have some kind of surgery. And I definitely would not see how a surgery is done so I have never seen anyone's brain. I think it's the same as that.

Side: yes
2 points

I'm sure by "brain" you mean "mind"... does Hannibal Lecter ring a bell? :)

Side: yes
gcomeau(536) Disputed
2 points

..we should kill the population of the world when we get irritated like God, we should play with people for our personal amusement like God, we should slaughter children to send a message to political leaders who are doing things we don't like like God... oh, wait. I'm sensing a problem with this "we should be like God" idea.

Side: No
3 points

There is no proof either way. I belive the description of god disapearing in The Hitchhikers trilogy (cant remember which one of the books) shows the falicy of this arguement. Personally I belive yes god excists. But I haveno proof. However the other side of the arguement has no proof that god does not excist. So really it is just a debate over what people belive. No one has proof.

Side: yes

No proof, other than the complete absence of proof of his existence. But why do you believe in a God you wouldn't know about if your parents had not told of it? Just think about the credibility of his existence for ten minutes, without using the old 'faith' umbrella.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

In the times before communicating with each other could be done as easily as it can be done today, people all over the planet believed in a higher power that created the universe. They independently feel this. There was noone from Africa telling anyone else in Europe or Australia about a god... People still wonder about that higher power today. It's called belief in God and it's not because of anything my mother told me.

Side: yes
3 points

I am his child and its only thru Him that I am alive and reading His word.

Supporting Evidence: Definately (bible.cc)
Side: yes
deepfrykids(47) Disputed
1 point

The bible is not evidence it is merely a story book.. You are indeed right that you are a child though.

Side: No
3 points

Gods, such as Athena, Lotus and all the other Greek gods do not exist. There is only one Majestic, all-powerful GOD and creator, His name being God.

Side: yes
3 points

If the Greek Gods are so ludicrous then what makes your God any different?

Besides, the story of Adam and Eve, with the breathing of life into clay, is actually stolen from the Greek story of prometheus' Children. So, essentially you have unwittingly discredited the Bible.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
0 points

Stolen? So you caught the thief and he confessed? What ever buddy. Did Alfred Wallace steal the theory of Natural Selection from Charles Darwin? Coincidences aren't always the result of foul play.

Side: yes
deepfrykids(47) Disputed
2 points

His first name i believe is actually steve, please request any physical evidence if required.

Side: No
2 points

GODS do exist.....there are many proofs...like receently it was found that a snake is dropping sacred leaveson the shiva's stoopa.......

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
2 points

Not that I even know what the hell you are talking about.

But unless the snake told you he was dropping whatever wherever because god or gods or whatever said to,

I'd say either you're lying, or the snake was acting on some natural instinct.

I mean, I can look up a picture of a unicorn, but I don't consider that "many proofs."

Side: No
RevKristine(209) Disputed
2 points

How is this proof in any way? You haven't determined the snake's motivation. First I'd like to see an article confirming this, then I'd like to see proof of causation.

Side: No
PainNoLove Disputed
1 point

Even if that is true, how does that help? In the Bible, snakes are not scared at all, if anything that would disprove God.

Side: No
Kinda(1649) Disputed
2 points

If you did your research or had any sort of general knowledge you'd know that he doesn't believe in the Bible

Fool of a Took....

Side: yes
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

so you wont even bother with consideration for the existence of a god, outside of that which is written in the bible? no other article of faith or religious claim could possibly hold any validity? why not subject all religious claims to the same rigors of scrutiny? that would at least be a step towards intellectual honesty.

Side: YES

Yeah only one God is real if you real the bible that is all you need to know that he is real because he created the world if you are a Christian and if you don't believe what I am saying just keep listing to other mens theory's. ..................................................................................................

Side: yes
4 points

That is quiet the logic.-----------------------------------------

Side: No
wolfbite(431) Disputed
4 points

What about the part about the unicorns, are they real as well?

Side: Agnostic FTW
ljagx(6) Disputed
3 points

Who wrote the Bible? He didn't. It is someone else's interpretation of who He is, and doesn't express His true meaning. How can you live by that?

Side: No
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
3 points

Holy crap you are a simple creature aren't you?

Hey I have some toast with Jesus' face, it can probably cure cancer wanna buy it?

Side: No
4 points

Of course it wouldn't, that's ridiculous. You didn't throw it away or eat it did you? It by itself wouldn't cure cancer, but it and the potato chip I have shaped as the Virgin Mary may well have cured cancer.

Side: yes
2 points

Everything that humans can sense and feel, exist.

We see a house in front of us, so it exists.

We hear a drum beat, so it exists.

We feel the pain when a rock hits our heads, so it exists.

We taste the sweetness of an apple, so it exists.

We smell the burning steak on the bbq, so it exists.

Some things we can only see the result of its work, like electricity, so it exists.

Some things exist but only in our imaginations, but they exist from generations to generations.

If people say that Gods exist and Gods create the universe and you can't prove conclusively otherwise, then Gods exist!

Side: yes
RevKristine(209) Disputed
4 points

So you are saying that the bright white light that I see sometimes when I'm having a seizure actually exists? And the dog that attacks me sometimes when I'm about to have a seizure actually exists? And the dark shape that follows me for hours before my seizures actually exists? These things are hallucinations caused by an acquired brain injury which caused me to have temporal lobe epilepsy.

If the house in front of us is not a hallucination, it has mass. It is verifiable by scientific means, therefore it exists.

The drum beat is caused by the vibrations of atoms. It is verifiable by scientific means, therefore it exists.

The rock that hits our head has mass and is verifiable. The pain is NOT verifiable. It is subjective. I'm not saying that the pain is not real, I am simply saying that it is an individual thing. A friend of mine has no nerve endings in the palms of his hands, as a child he was playing with blasting caps and one exploded. His hands were saved, and now he pulls roasts out of the oven barehanded as a party trick. The pain is dependant upon nerve endings, which in his case, don't exist.

The sweetness of an apple is determined by its sugar content, and receptors on the tongue and in the back of the nose. The apple exists, the sugar content exists, the taste of the sweetness is subjective.

The burning steak on the bbq exists, the esters it releases into the air while it is cooking hit those same receptors as for taste mentioned above. The esters exist, the smell is subjective.

Things that exist in our imaginations are purely subjective. When they are generational, it is because they have been passed down orally or within writing. Thus people sometimes believe things that cannot be shown to exist simply because they don't question those things that they've been told.

If people say that Gods exist and that Gods create the universe, a definition of "Gods" must be possible and should be provided. If it can later be shown that something other than what was described as "God" or "Gods" created the universe, and if that function was crucial within the description of "God" or "Gods", then the existance of said thing can be shown to be fallacious.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
2 points

RevKristine, If your having seizures, then your possessed by the devil. If the devil exist so does God. This sounds like nothing a good preist couldn't fix.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Ok if you had followed all of the arguments below that one, you'd have seen that I argue for the physical definition of existence as well as the subjective imagined definition of existence. This is because the debate creator had left it wide open for defining :)

Side: yes
ljagx(6) Disputed
3 points

This means that unless there is evidence to prove the non-existence of something, anything could technically exist! Unicorns, magic, even things despised by people like yourself, it all exists.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

Ok, I guess I haven't made myself clear yet. The debate creator has given debaters the freedom to define existence. So what I've actually covered is most forms of existence, not just the physical forms.

A rock exists in real physical form.

Electricity exists in the work it performs.

Fairies exist in the minds of people.

Gods exist in many forms to many different people, so Gods exist.

Side: yes
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

claiming that something exists, doesnt bring that thing into existence. it's existence must be demonstrated with evidence or the default is to assume it is nonexistent. ontological arguments for existence fail. ppl once said the earth was flat, and that diseases were caused by demons. these claims are obviously false. if we imagine something, it does not mean the thing exists. concepts exist, but no concept is said to have talked the universe into existence. you should really think over your arguments before you make them and try to be objective.

Side: NO
2 points

I say its all happening at once...but so that we can not see it in it real state ...like i mean some stuff has already happen and when he thinks its good for us to remember then it happens ...but its really in the past ....

Side: yes
ducky930(6) Disputed
3 points

You're not really debating whether god exist, more like a perception of reality or what reality is. In that case, several things may exist that don't exist now like Harry Potter is a real wizard, there are really 21 continents all the size of Hawaii and God actually exists.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

As crazy as this sounds (and I like far-outness when it comes to gods), I don't think this post argues for or against the existence of gods.

Side: not FOR nor AGAINST
2 points

ONE God exists for sure. BUT, there are no other GOds. My precious Heavenly Father is soooo real and has changed my life. I am on this earth to serve HIM. All other gods such as Allah, Budda, and every thing else is just a chunk of metal or gold or whatever it is. They can't think talk, incourage, Love, punish or anything. MY God is deferent. He is all of those. He lives and HE lives in my heart.

Side: yes
Liddy(36) Disputed
2 points

How do you know your God is a he? Last I heard a "spirit" does not have a physical body... And if we are all created in Gods image, wouldn't that make god both a man and a woman??

Side: No
kellogg(27) Disputed
2 points

a teenage mind will think masculinity and femininity can only be physical descriptions.

also, why couldnt the reference to god's image be to something other than gender, like creativity, etc

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

It's a restriction of the English language (and any other languagues that can only refer to the third person in a gender).

Side: yes
Liddy(36) Disputed
2 points

Posted twice on accident, but I think I made my point. That should get them wheels turning. lolz.

Side: No
vandebater(443) Disputed
1 point

prove it trololol. buddha aint a god he's a prophet buddhists don't believe in a god. allah and "your god" are prreee much the same so what makes allah scrap.

Side: NO
2 points

To say that something other than God created us is absurd. Things like DNA and fingerprints prove this. Do any experiment and see how many different results are obtained. To have every human being different can not happen by random acts of nature. It has to be carefully planned. Proof of a higher power is the fact that all humans are not clones, but rather unique.

Side: yes
2 points

How can you speak of DNA and then say that uniqueness is impossible without a God? The experiments done on DNA prove the exact opposite of your argument. You would know that if you had actually bothered to research your argument.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

Figures don't lie, but figurers do. The facts are what you make them to be.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

You found a TV, you brought it home and you learned how it operates and perhaps you even know how to make now, but that doesn't make the manufacturer of that original TV non-existent. You can't say this is how DNA works and then say that it proves there's no creator! That's just stupid! God created the DNA and its structures and the rules with which it operates.

Side: yes
aveskde(1936) Disputed
2 points

""To say that something other than God created us is absurd. Things like DNA and fingerprints prove this. Do any experiment and see how many different results are obtained. To have every human being different can not happen by random acts of nature. It has to be carefully planned. Proof of a higher power is the fact that all humans are not clones, but rather unique.""

The reason we tend towards difference is not because of careful planning at all. Do you realise how many traits you have? Thousands that just express themselves as phenotypes like hair colour, skin type, etc. Then take into account the number of different variations of traits there are, and the random sorting of traits caused by reproduction, and the fact that we all mutate each time we reproduce. It's little wonder that we almost never find unrelated twins.

Our traits, our DNA isn't even engineered. We can do experiments that demonstrate this. Sorry but you're just wrong in every way. If we were created one should expect conformity, like we came from a factory.

Side: No
2 points

Yes but without s God exists but not other gods.So yes a God exists but not gods.

Side: yes

i believe a God does exist. i do not have the proof to convince the whole world, but i have enough to convince myself, which suits me just fine.

Side: yes
2 points

Of course there is... If there wasnt we all wouldnt be here.

Side: yes
2 points

i woud say that GOD does exist but not gods.

i always give proof after my argument and i would say that if there was no god or super natural power the reasons to live for or give meaning to life would be savage or few while those who belive in god see the future of the world in peace,happines and other thinks..

i gues that if there was no evidence of super natural power neither you or me should have been able to control the savagery of the world..

Side: yes
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

you claim that those who believe in a god see the future of the world in peace. havent you ever heard of the rapture or revelation? an apocalypse is not any rational or peace loving man's idea of peace. it is the utter destruction of the world and all we know. this is what abrahamic faith instills in its subscribers. this is belief in a god. so is the belief that 99% of the ppl who have lived or will ever live, will burn in a lake of fire for eternity. this does not instill anyone with peace. only fear.

Side: NO
2 points

Ok tell me this if god didn't exist what set off the big bang, what made suns, galaxies, different forces that build a structured universe that follows rules, who set those rules? it can only be god, and if I'm wrong and everything was just a quiescence and after death everything is just black and surrounded by darkness, i think id rather die have faith in that through my life if i have followed a lie but Ive done good things then death doesn't seem all that bad. at any rate knowing that there life after death is hope for all man kind that shouldn't really be turned down, but i think that god does exist because the universe is to big to be one big coincidence.

Side: yes
2 points

I believe in one god and if people say "wheres the proof that there's a god" i am going to make another point which is "wheres the proof that there isnt"

Side: yes
Akulakhan(2960) Disputed
3 points

You can't prove the lack of something.

Side: No
stmac10(59) Disputed
2 points

wheres the proof that there isnt

The burden of proof is on the believer. Can you disprove that I have a dragon in my bedroom? If I made such an absurd claim would you blindly accept it as true without using some sort of logic or reasoning?

I believe in one god

If I was to say with a straight face that I believe in fairies, everyone would think I was insane. I would have no real friends, wouldn't get a proper job, would never be taken seriously. For some reason though, it is socially acceptable for you to believe in your invisible friend.

Isn't it convenient that you believe in the exact same god that you were brought up to believe in? The exact same one your family believe in? The exact same one you were taught about in school? The one they spoke about at your church? What are the odds!!? Out of the thousands of gods who have been revered around the world by thousands of cultures over thousands of years...it just so happens that the god of your time, and your community is true! Turns out (with no additional knowledge or anything else to go by) that Zeus wasn't true, neither was Vishnu or Tenrikyo or Allah or Agdistis or Ah Puch or Ahura Mazda or Alberich or Amaterasu or An or Anansi or Anat or Andvari or Anshar or Anu or Aphrodite or Apollo or Apsu or Ares or Artemis or Asclepius or Athena or Athirat or Athtart or Atlas. What a stroke of luck for you!?

(I can go through B-Z for you if you wish)

Side: No
2 points

i think some sort of god(s) is out there, but i don't think its the god of any man made religion.

Side: yes

Do Gods exist? Yes. The definition of god is

#3: a person or thing of supreme value

Therefore, anything that you value is a god. This is true whether you are to stupid to comprehend this. The facts and just the facts. Gods do exist.

Side: yes
1 point

We are speaking of #1: a life-giving, all powerful intelligence. Do not sully this debate with semantics.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

Though out history idols have been claimed to do just that. Semantics, no. Just the way it is.

Side: yes
1 point

Proof that God exists:

Courtesy of debater Kellogg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr5lY0TcdAw

Side: yes
3 points

That is not proof.

That is a video that plays with words and disregards its own assertions over time, space and matter.

The first argument:

Nothing created everything (impossible)

or

Something ALWAYS existed and created everything that is created.

If this 'Something' exists outside of of Time, Matter and Space then it does not exist. Matter and Space are essential to existence.

If time cannot be infinite, then nothing can, because time cannot be escaped. If God has existed forever and will always exist, then time must be infinite. However, the video has proved that it is not, so therefore God cannot be eternal, because eternity is impossible if you exist outside of time. The argument also falls down on the creation idea. If god exists without time, then it does not mean He is eternal, it posits that He has never been, because he has had no time to be in.

Or, if the physical restrictions and the 'something' are extant, then I submit an alternate theory to that of a sentient God.

I say a something exists outside T,M and S. (Sentience is not necessary, as this is physics).

1. It has had no time to be, and has no time to be eternal either. To be eternal requires infinite time, which is does not exist. If you exist outside time, then you do not exist at all.

2. It has no matter. By definition then, it must either be energy or nothing. Energy moves to, or becomes matter.

3. If there is no space to be in, and this is before space was created, then we must assume this energy is all there is.

4. We must now put aside the 'outside time' part for this energy to exist at all.

5. So, all of the universe exists as this energy, which has no space around it, but must have an area of space equal to it's volume, so it is space.

6. Energy can become mass in a number of ways, including under heat and pressure. As the energy exists without a medium , it must be radiation: heat energy. Having all the universe's energy in such an 'infinitely' small space would create pressure (theoretically, anyway). This would convert energy to matter.

7. Matter has more volume than energy , so expansion is required. Do you recognize what this is leading up to yet?

8. Every molecule in the universe being created at once would result in a very, very fast expansion. In fact, this during this expansion, we witness the creation of Time, Space and Matter.

So there you have it. The Big Bang, completely God free, and operating (mostly) within the physical restrictions laid out by the video. If you want to worship this energy as a deity then go ahead, but I doubt it would care.

Christ (ha ha), I'm going to bed. I look forward to your inevitable, but nevertheless welcomed refutation.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
0 points

Matter and Space are essential to existence

Yes for us. No for God.

..eternity is impossible if you exist outside of time

What do you mean? Eternity is a timeless value. Its very definition is outside of time. It's not a very long time, or even a very very very long time. It's timeless.

So there you have it. The Big Bang, completely God free, and operating (mostly) within the physical restrictions laid out by the video.

Ok, nice. Energy, where did that come from? Oh, it must have always existed for your theory to be "ok", but time is not infinite, so oops! I dunno dude, if you can actually disprove God's existence, you'd probably win some sort of World Science Award or something... the whole world actually wants to know ;)

Side: yes
1 point

Natural Selection - What does it select and how it decides? What is the Intelligence that allowed to come to a conclusion?

If we see few selections:

1. Week are Protected - Ex. Mammals overtook Dinosaurs

2. Wicked are destroyed - Ex. Evil civilizations always got destroyed

3. Planned Execution - Wonderful success rate (absolute no wast)

4. Beauty beyond description - Needs great skill set to achieve it!

If this is done by Intelligence, How do we describe it? God!!!!

Amazing you got it :)

Side: yes
1 point

they exist because of people's belief in them. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////,,

Side: yes
aveskde(1936) Disputed
1 point

they exist because of people's belief in them.

So Freddy Crougar and Zombies exist too?

Side: No
0 points

yes because people believe in them. which is exactly what i said. i didnt say everyone believes in everything, at that point nothing would really matter, would it? But what i am saying that if you believe in something enough, you tend to make it real. people who think that zombies are real probably see zombies. people who believe in ghosts enough probably see ghosts.

your mind is very powerful. if you believe that you are sick, you can make yourself very ill. and that is a fact.

Side: No
1 point

Interesting question... But somehow, i believe, you have formulated it wrong... Does God exist? No one/nothing can prove it, but why should that minimize God's existence? God exists, but not as many people thinks... God exists for people who believes in God.

Side: YES
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

so then. god exists in a room where there is a believer. if a nonbeliever walks into that room, does god cease to exist? our beliefs dont cause gods to materialize. youve obviously never heard of mental illness or delusion. your argument is atrocious. i mean that in the kindest way.

Side: NO
1 point

stupid big bang theory

is a myth they have to be a myth nobody ever heard or seen a book about the big bang theory

Side: YES
1 point

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.

Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

existence of GodThe Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has wide margin between its boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

proof of GodWater is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

proof of GodNinety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

existence of GodThe human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.

The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.

2. Does God exist? The universe had a start - what caused it?

existence of GodScientists are convinced that our universe began with one enormous explosion of energy and light, which we now call the Big Bang. This was the singular start to everything that exists: the beginning of the universe, the start of space, and even the initial start of time itself.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow, a self-described agnostic, stated, "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."9

Steven Weinberg, a Nobel laureate in Physics, said at the moment of this explosion, "the universe was about a hundred thousands million degrees Centigrade...and the universe was filled with light."10

The universe has not always existed. It had a start...what caused that? Scientists have no explanation for the sudden explosion of light and matter.

3. Does God exist? The universe operates by uniform laws of nature. Why does it?

Much of life may seem uncertain, but look at what we can count on day after day: gravity remains consistent, a hot cup of coffee left on a counter will get cold, the earth rotates in the same 24 hours, and the speed of light doesn't change -- on earth or in galaxies far from us.

existence of GodHow is it that we can identify laws of nature that never change? Why is the universe so orderly, so reliable?

"The greatest scientists have been struck by how strange this is. There is no logical necessity for a universe that obeys rules, let alone one that abides by the rules of mathematics. This astonishment springs from the recognition that the universe doesn't have to behave this way. It is easy to imagine a universe in which conditions change unpredictably from instant to instant, or even a universe in which things pop in and out of existence."11

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery...The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."12

4. Does God exist? The DNA code informs, programs a cell's behavior.

existence of GodAll instruction, all teaching, all training comes with intent. Someone who writes an instruction manual does so with purpose. Did you know that in every cell of our bodies there exists a very detailed instruction code, much like a miniature computer program? As you may know, a computer program is made up of ones and zeros, like this: 110010101011000. The way they are arranged tell the computer program what to do. The DNA code in each of our cells is very similar. It's made up of four chemicals that scientists abbreviate as A, T, G, and C. These are arranged in the human cell like this: CGTGTGACTCGCTCCTGAT and so on. There are three billion of these letters in every human cell!!

Well, just like you can program your phone to beep for specific reasons, DNA instructs the cell. DNA is a three-billion-lettered program telling the cell to act in a certain way. It is a full instruction manual.13

existence of GodWhy is this so amazing? One has to ask....how did this information program wind up in each human cell? These are not just chemicals. These are chemicals that instruct, that code in a very detailed way exactly how the person's body should develop.

Natural, biological causes are completely lacking as an explanation when programmed information is involved. You cannot find instruction, precise information like this, without someone intentionally constructing it.

5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.

I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

proof of GodI didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God revealing himself to us.

Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

proof of GodHe said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."14 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."15

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.16

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."17 This is God, in action.

existence of GodDoes God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."18

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.

This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her]."19 If you want to do this, but aren't sure how to put it into words, this may help: "Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen."

God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, "I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand."20

Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way.

Side: YES
0 points

Concept: God is the being that had always existed and created everything.

Constraints: God cannot be sensed by our humanly senses, or if we could sense God it appears that God doesn't want any contact with us. Using reasoning alone we have faith in God's existence.

Evidence: The existence of matter and the set of rules that govern how everything relate to everything else to form the universe and everything in it. In other words, the existence of order.

Reasonings:

The existence of matter - Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else.

Order - There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness.

Side: yes
2 points

Nothing cannot produce anything, so something/someone must have always existed to create everything else.

Can the something that always existed simply be the universe?

Order - There are rules that govern how things behave, everything behave according to a set of rules, there is absolutely a rule for everything in this universe. It is completely void of chaos or randomness.

Actually, order is an illusion, existence only moves towards balance because nothing can exist for long with imbalance. Balance means that something is in the optimum state that requires no change. The balance, in the long run, that the universe is moving towards means death for all life. Suns will go explode, some forming black holes and sucking matter away with them. The only true balance is emptiness.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

Can the something that always existed simply be the universe?

No, because the universe is matter, time and space, all of which are not infinite. That's what "always existed" means.

Actually, order is an illusion, existence only moves towards balance because nothing can exist for long with imbalance. Balance means that something is in the optimum state that requires no change. The balance, in the long run, that the universe is moving towards means death for all life. Suns will go explode, some forming black holes and sucking matter away with them. The only true balance is emptiness.

Very poetic, but for now the "illusion" of order holds true and God is responsible for it.

Side: yes
0 points

I believe in a balancing power in the universe; a spiritual entity that governs all of life. The term "God" is suitable for this. I do not believe that this God simply snapped it's fingers and created life, the universe and everything in a matter of seconds, however, I do believe in a balancing force, and a place beyond life after death.

Side: yes
0 points

Want proof? The proof is in those stories about your grandpa, grandma, great grandpa, great gradma, mom and dad. The story of God was told the same way, passed from one generation to another.

If you are determined to not believe in God; than those are only tall tales that you have been told about your own family, by the same token. You never witnessed anything before you were born and therefore your own history does not exist. If you came from nowhere, that means you do not exist. Want only logic, proof and that which you have only seen for yourself?

Side: yes
0 points

God does exist i can prove it by simple questions, 1-how did humans come to life, 2-how did that happen?

3-From where did the materials come from?. I can go on when your done answering these three simple questions.

other stuff is Muslims book, the quraan, that book is 1400 years old and it said that the moon was divided to two half and combined, and not long ago like 5 to 10 years ago, scientist just discovered that..., it is impossible for any human to write a book like that with all the knowledge it contains, it itself can prove it was sent by god to us.

Side: yes
2 points

What you're saying does not prove that a christian god exists at all, you are not proving anything. I don't believe in 'God', mainly because there is an overwhelming amount of evidence he DOES NOT exist. I don't care if you believe in God or not, but if you are going to argue that he exists at least have a valid argument.

Side: No
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

your questions dont prove the existence of a god. they are simply appeals to ignorance. more logical fallacy. only objective evidence could demonstrate the existence of a god. your questions only lead to more questions. you cant see that because you possess not the objectivity to examine them.

Side: NO
10 points

You are asking human beings whether an all-powerful, all-knowing, everlasting being exist. There is no proof either way.

Side: NO
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

Yes there IS proof. The proof is in the evidence that is the universe. It is so perfectly formed and complex that it must be designed by a being. That being is God.

Apparently people call this theory the Watchmaker Theory. Check it out! There are arguments against this theory, but you'll find that they can't prove that God doesn't exist. The other thing is these rebuttals are easily countered.

Side: yes
SilentSound(117) Disputed
6 points

Sorry to inform you, but that's not proof. How do you know that being that you believe created the Universe isn't a flying spaghetti monster that likes little children?

As far as your statement "There are arguments against this theory, but you'll find that they can't prove that God doesn't exist."

It is not non-believers job to prove God doesn't exist, simply because that is an impossible task. Religion has a history of changing when new evidence is found (Fossils, Earth revolving around the sun, etc.)

Side: No
Madicken Disputed
4 points

Complex things like a god can't come before simple things in a natural world, that's makes god supernatural and there are no supernatural things in the natural world. And if god is more complex than the universe then he must have had a creator as well and that creator had to have a creator and so on and so on in infinity.

Side: No
aveskde(1936) Disputed
4 points

At NVYN:

The fine tuning argument is a tautology anyway. At the core it states that if things were different [constants of the universe] then things would be different [the universe].

The reason the universe appears fine tuned is because: we evolved to fit it. You wouldn't argue that because a fluid fits a glass perfectly that the glass was designed for the liquid.

Side: No
ReichPride(49) Disputed
3 points

Wouldn't the fact that the universe is "so perfectly formed and complex" just prove evolution? Think about it everything space happens from chemical reactions the motion of things throughout the universe. It HAS to be so perfect and complex because of the billions of years of things colliding and such. The only god that exists is time.

Side: SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY
selfgov(89) Disputed
2 points

Why oh why is there so much bickering about this? One side hates the term natural while clinging to intelligence. The other abhors the term intelligent and insists (yet doesn't truly believe) that everything is natural.

Sounds like the issue has to do with definition, not necessarily reality.

The faithless half of this debate see the same universe we do. They just don't feel the attachment to it that we feel. I am pretty sure that it is faith that makes the difference.

What amazes me though is the fact that what you have faith in and what I have faith in seem very much opposed now-a-days.

You likely have faith in god or Jesus or some other weird old school religiousy thing.

I have faith in naturalism. My understanding of evolution led me to believe that we are natural and I now believe it so deeply it can be considered faith.

Once I realized that, it took about two weeks for the universe to shoot me in the head with big logic gun. Ever have thoughts that take your breath away?

Anyway, I have felt an incredible connection and attachment to the universe as a whole ever since.

How you and I define god when we write our descriptions down on paper, might not mesh well. But if we get to talking I bet we could find quite a few analogues between the two.

In fact, I bet I could convert you :P

Side: yes
ROCK(19) Disputed
1 point

hw can u say that???????? do u really know whether any proofs are there????????

Side: yes
SilentSound(117) Disputed
5 points

None that we have. On a topic like this you see the word "believe" a lot. You can't say God exist because it is your personal belief, there is no logic reasoning that can be used to explain the idea of God. On the other hand, you can't say there is no God, because they have no proof of his non-existence.

Side: NO
joey123670(12) Disputed
4 points

The bible, for one thing, is real. You can close your eyes, and open it. It's still going to be there

Side: yes
hahasuccerzz(3) Disputed
1 point

Obviously gods don't exist. You're right. Only the one true God exists.

Side: YES
7 points

Well ignoring the definition of "existence" used on the other side, where stuff we imagine exists in that it is in our head,

No, there's no such thing as a god or gods or any divine being in a religious sense.

I mean, sure you could say that to an ant we are quite god-like, so I suppose it is possible somewhere in this vast Universe there could be some thing which would in comparison be god-like.

But a god as in looks over us, or created us, or goes around playing tricks on people like Loki or something,

nope, afraid they don't exist.

Side: No
5 points

And if there were, you would see him. The world is based on observations, not perceptions.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
3 points

The fact that one doesn't "see" Gods, doesn't mean Gods don't exist.

There's something I'd like for you to consider:

there are approx 6 billion people on Earth, and you can't possibly see them all in your lifetime, you only read about them on the newspapers, magazines, see their images on TV, hear about them from others, and guess what? that's still not all of them! You're not likely to see or touch all of them in your life-time. So, do they exist?

Side: yes
6 points

Yes, because despite the fact that we can't see them, there is still evidence of their existence, in the fact that there are censuses conducted in most of the countries around the world.

If you gave me the name of a specific person, I would ask you for proof, and if you could provide none, then I would have no reason to believe you.

Even this isn't a good example, however, because there is a big difference between saying certain people exist, and an all powerful all knowing creator of the universe exists. I know that it is possible for people to exist because I've seen quite a few of them. Never have I encountered anything that even closely resembles what might be described as a god.

This once again brings us back to the beginning...if there is a god show me evidence.

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
2 points

You saying God doesn't exist, doesn't make it so. Back up your words with solid proof. Can't be done, to claim there is no God is just one man's uneducated opinion. Means little here and less to the rest of the world.

Side: yes
iamdavidh(4869) Disputed
2 points

You saying God does exist, doesn't make it so. Back up your words with solid proof. Can't be done, to claim there is a God is just one man's uneducated opinion. Means little here and less to the rest of the world.

See, I can do that too.

Side: No
6 points

Look at this logically. How can there just 'be' an omnipotent being, without first knowing, with proof, where he came from and how his power came to be. Why should he not cease to exist, you say? You''re minds keep Him alive, and only that.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
3 points

Oh and he exists whether your mind keeps him alive or not.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

I'm gonna use lawnman's example of electrons and atoms and say that you can't see these things nor know where they come from, but they exist nonetheless!

Side: yes
aveskde(1936) Disputed
4 points

At NVYN (again):

We know that atoms and electrons exist because we can see their effects. We can measure them. We can even probe them using atomic force microscopy.

This isn't the case with god. No matter how much you pray, or search, there just isn't a shed of evidence to show he's there. In lieu of this people resort to personal experiences like "I feel him!" or "I saw him!" or miracles. But these are all easily explained by our suggestibility, our biases in filtering information, among other flaws in the way we sense things.

Side: No
6 points

this question cant really answer much because its the believes of someone and the opinion of someone.you can't really tell or show that there's a god, there's no proof of neither, either you believe in it or not it's not really something that matters in the life of humans

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
4 points

It matters a great deal to a lot of people (especially the fanatically religious). Some people strap bombs to themselves and blow others up for what they believe to be the calling of their gods. Others reach out to others and help and give try to live a life that's unselfish because they believe it would please their gods. So it actually matters a lot. It matters so much some give their lives.

It makes me think, if we can answer this question conclusively, what would happen? Should we make this a new topic for debate?

Side: yes
mitgag(1651) Disputed
2 points

no gods don't exist

it is our faith in them

we beleive in them because we think they solve all our problems when there is no one to help us whereas in real life this does not happen but since we have prayed and what we want has happened we think they exist

that makes them come alive in our minds

Side: No
6 points

They're the product of human imagination soooooooooooo...............no.

Side: No
5 points

i am torn between believing in him and not having faith. in one case, you have to think; where did the world come from and how did we get here if no one put us here. but on the other hand, we look at all the bad things that happen to Haiti, the children there and the same in Chile. and we also look at these little innocent children that are getting cancer and tumors, and they have done nothing.

therefore, i am on the boarder of believing and not.

Side: Not sure
8 points

if i'm hearing you correctly, you're asking:

"why would a god who claims to be good and all-powerful allow evil?

if he was all-powerful, he CAN prevent evil, and if he's good, he WANTS to prevent evil, so how can he be both if evil exists?"

Side: clarification
NVYN(288) Disputed
2 points

For some answers, you can some here:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t023.html

But basically, there's more good in the world than evil, God is the almighty and we're his subjects and can't see all of his plans... etc...

The other thing is death isn't bad either, it's a part of life like birth and everything else, you can't escape it. Everyone must die, some die of old age, others die while doing things they love, others die accidentally, it's how you live that really matters, it's how we live that separates us because death comes to us all and in death we are all the same!

Side: yes
ReichPride(49) Disputed
2 points

Death does not exist. Only the transfer of energy from human to nature. When you die you become part of the ecosystem your body decays into.

Side: SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY
5 points

God merely exists in peoples beliefs. Without people, or more accurately believers, he would not exist nor be known of. Period.

Side: No
3 points

Touche. He is an idea. That's all................................

Side: No
4 points

If all humans suddenly ceased to exist my bicycle would still exist, a house would still exist, light would still exist, animals would still exist. All these things could be sensed by another animal. BECAUSE THOSE THINGS EXIST WITH OR WITHOUT HUMANS! An animal could not sense god because he doesn't exist.

Side: No
NVYN(288) Disputed
0 points

Yes, God is an idea. But this idea is more believable than the idea that the universe materialized from nothingness.

Side: yes
NVYN(288) Disputed
1 point

That's not true! God made us all, God made the universe. So without us and the universe, God still exists!

Side: yes
Madicken Disputed
1 point

Where is your evidence that god made us all, the universe and that he exists?

Side: No
3 points

Maybe? Maybe not?

Humans are not capable of grasping what is beyond their senses and seeing as the idea of a God is beyond what they can comprehend it is pointless to speculate.

Side: Agnostic FTW