Is Debate.Org, on balance, a better Debating medium than CreateDebate.com?
Debate.Org is better
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Let's see Debate.Org. Debate.Org has 19 forums for all types of intellectual discussions and debate (like the Senate and House debates where everyone can share there opinion) varying from discussing about politics, society, religion to spamming, trolling, your personal life, and just funny things. Let's compare it to CreateDebate.com. A website where Twitter debates happen and everyone can comment basically saying "I'm right. You're wrong." Also a place where the voting is such a failure based on total bias that it makes our voting system look like God gave it to us from heaven. The truth is, Debate.org is a much better "debating medium." Side: Debate.Org is better
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Worried about is being to formal? Forums. Spam forum: http://www.debate.org/forums/miscellaneous/ Funny forum: http://www.debate.org/forums/funny/ Informal debates: http://www.debate.org/imabench/debates/ If you want formality: Most everything else If you want neutral: http://www.debate.org/forums/debate.org/ All CD claims show they are either old users or are not members. Side: Debate.Org is better
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But that defeats the whole point of trolling. You don't make fucking organized forums, and then explicitly state "this is trolling". It saps all the fun out of it. CD on the other hand, well one can click on a serious debate and give a troll answer. There's much more social freedom. Side: Createdebate is better
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Why is this good? Having someone troll your debate when you intend for a serious debate is one of the biggest annoyances of debating. Better to keep the trolls where we can avoid them if we wish. In the words of Terry Pratchett, "you are always going to have crime, and as such it should at least be organized crime." Replace "crime" with "trolling" and you basically have the idea here. Whether or not something is "fun" is subjective and therefore not a valid argument. Side: Debate.Org is better
To be honest, CreateDebate.com has already conceded the argument that we are the better debating medium. Their point is that they are a social networking site. In question to the fellow members of CreateDebate, how many of you have met each other in real life? Side: Debate.Org is better
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All your arguments are "DDO is boring, this is fun!!! This site is so awesum!" But that's not what we're debating. We're debating what is the better debating medium, which DDO obviously is, if this allows for unorganized debates where everyone can post whatever they think. Side: Debate.Org is better
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If you don't like CD. Get the f%%k out. We don't care for your shameless promotion. The regulars on this site like it here, there is a community, and we sometimes like the shallow debates, it's not all about seriousness, there is a fun aspect to this site, that I've not found on other forums. Side: Createdebate is better
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This is not about liking or disliking a site, this is about which site is a better debating medium, and DDO just wins there, if you want more serious and official debates. Here, you make a debates, and every 10 year old kids can come and troll with stupid answers. Sure, have shallow debates, but as a site that is meant for serious debating, debate.org wins. This one is just of poor quality. And DDO has a fun aspect to its site, it's just that the whole site is not the fun aspect. We have the forums and you can make troll debates. Side: Debate.Org is better
"Create - To cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes." {1} "Debate - A formal contest in which the affirmative and negative sides of a proposition are advocated by opposing speakers." {2} So, why should I GTFO when all I wanted to do is create a debate? "We don't care for your shameless promotion." Thanks <3 "The regulars on this site like it here" ... that proves nothing...
"there is a community" How does this help your case at all? Nazi Germany had communities too... "and we sometimes like the shallow debates, it's not all about seriousness, there is a fun aspect to this site, that I've not found on other forums." http://www.debate.org/imabench/debates/ There ya go. Sources: {1}http://dictionary.reference.com/ {2}http://dictionary.reference.com/ Side: Debate.Org is better
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Hey guys guess what http://www.debate.org/opinions/ Side: Debate.Org is better
DDO 1. The site has a much more formal debate structure that allows for opening arguments, refutations, and finally conclusions. Then, a winner is decided from those who vote. 2. The site already has a system like CD called the opinions section in which opinions are simply posted to issues. 3. Since I am on both sites, I can argue that DDO (debate.org) is better because for me, there is not as much regulation on usernames and passwords while there is more here. 4. Different forums based on different topics. CD 1. No formal debates makes CD (Create Debate) boring. 2. This is more like the opinions section of Debate.org. 3. Sign up regulations are worse here. Side: Debate.Org is better
3. Sign up regulations are worse here. lol no their not their not you have to verify your email and cell phone number on DDO you only have to verify email on this one. 1. No formal debates makes CD (Create Debate) boring. you can easily make formal debates if yo want. You can also do 1v1 if you desire. 2. This is more like the opinions section of Debate.org. Actually this is more like group debates instead of opinions. there is not as much regulation on usernames and passwords while there is more here. their are zero regulations on usernames or passwords on this site. Side: Createdebate is better
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This site hardly qualifies as a debate site. It is identical to the opinion section of debate.org (DDO) so therefore, DDO has 3 times the amount of features compared to this site. A debate section (for structured 1 vs 1 debates) an opinion section (exactly like this sites debates) and a forum section (for discussion on absolutely everything) This website would be appealing to people who have an opinion, wish to express it, but doesn't wish to back it up or defend it. DDO on the other hand does not recognise this as debating. That's why the section is called the opinions section.[1] So in answer to the question, its is rather obvious which site is better for debating. If you want the features provided by this site. Go to DDO. If you want to debate, Go to DDO, if you want to discuss anything, Go to DDO. Here's why it is better overall: 1) DDO is superior site for the purposes of debating. Debates can be about whatever you want. In a formal 1v1 debate, the mechanics are decided by the instigator and he/she will challenge another member or make it open to anybody. These challenges are usually accepted extremely quickly. For less formal debating, the opinion section which is identical to the main feature of this site is another option. A topic is posted by anyone, and anyone can respond to it by posting their view on the issue. 2) DDO has better site features When you click on another member on this site, you go to their profile page. On that page, there is limited information and nothing useful. On DDO, information on the person themselves like name, location, age and email (if they want to make that public) is posted as well as detailed information about that person, like hobbies, interests, beliefs, favourite music etc along with statistics and their personal stances on all the 'big issues' in society. This means that people know each other very well and understand other members. 3) DDO has a community I hear it argued that there is a community on this site. However, that can only be argued by people who have never experience life in the DDO community. When one does, it is evident that any sort of community spirit here is lacking. There is even a feature here that allows you to keep track of people you are enemies with... That is the exact opposite of what DDO is. Everyone gets along with anyone. The forums are the place where the community mostly thrives. If one were to place a measurement on the formality of debating, DDO's debate feature would be the most formal, DDO's and CD's opinion/debate feature would be the middle, and DDO's forums would be the bottom. As a general rule, the amount of community spirit you will find increases as you get closer to the bottom. However, this is not possible to do on this site as there is only 1 feature. CD will never experience what it is like to have an open forum with sections for everything and threads made by members for nearly every topic immaginable. Such topics include Lannan's well known Joke Battle thread, Imabenches weekly stupid threads (ah the lol's) the numerous personal threads in the personal forum about advice for everything personal, like a breakup, a death, a certain personal event etc. There is a thread for everything, and everyone participates which inevitably brings people closer together, as would be expected when people are discussing very personal things. This however cannot be done here. The lack of community and the single minded purpose of this site to simply allow people to voice an opinion to others who don't listen is a real shame. For that reason this site should be called createopinion.com As for the topic of this discussion, DDO is without a doubt in the world, a far more superior debating site. Side: Debate.Org is better
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Debate org has serious debates and much more people who actually try to debate rather than this site. For debates of a better quality, you should visit debate.org. Additionaly, the debate.org forums are totally awesome and fun, and we play the best mafia. So yes. Debate.org is better. Side: Debate.Org is better
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While both websites allow for good, intelligent debating, there are core differences: Debate.org allows the person who creates the debate to choose whether or not voting requires voters to type a reason. This reduces votes that are done due to the side the argument is on, rather than the quality of the argument. The votes are not a number, but rather the usernames and what they voted for is open to everyone, reducing biased votes. Debate.org has multiple debate formats: 1 on 1, polls, and opinions. Createdebate has for/against (similiar to opinions, but allows votes), and perspective. However, both websites suit different people. For every argument for one website, you can find 3 arguments for the other. Side: Debate.Org is better
I'm going to post why Debate.org is also very similar to a social networking site. 1. Imabench literally changed this debate from a debate posed for the Instigator to win to a debate about Demonized Nambian Antelopes. http://www.debate.org/debates/Poop-has-DNA/1/ 2. A prom? Have you people talked about a prom? http://www.debate.org/debates/Debate.org-should-have-a-Prom/1/ 3. Ever argue on having 1 or 3 testicles? http://www.debate.org/debates/HAVING-ONE-TESTICLE-IS-BETTER-THAN-HAVING-THREE-TESTICLES-Oh-yes-I-did/1/ 4. Imabench turns a political issue into a laughingstock. http://www.debate.org/debates/16kadams-Tourney-Newt-Gingrichs-Moonbase-Idea-Will-Happen/1/ 5. Chickens vs. Humans. Not that funny but still troll material. http://www.debate.org/debates/CHEESEDINGO1S-TROLL-TOURNEY-Chickens-are-Superior-To-Humans/1/ 6. Castrated to the fullest. http://www.debate.org/debates/All-males-from-ages-13-to-19-should-be-castrated-and-then-uncastrated-once-they-turn-20/1/] 7. Troll debate about Germans sinking the titanic. http://www.debate.org/debates/An-Iceberg-did-NOT-sink-the-Titanic-THE-GERMANS-SANK-IT/1/ 8. This one is okay, http://www.debate.org/debates/Chivalry-is-dead-and-women-killed-it/1/ 9. The title explains itself. http://www.debate.org/debates/ This personally explains everything that you said away. Side: Debate.Org is better
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Clearly you are not understanding the difference between the two sites. Let's break it down. Point #1 CD is a flexible social debating website where everyone can participate in any debate. DDO is a rigid one on one debating website with a structure much like formal debate. Point #2 CD is based on freedom of speech, there are limited rules and virtually no taboo topics. DDO is based on debate topics not freedom of speech. There are more rules as there should be for the rigid structure of formal debating Point #3 We at CD are confident about our site, that it can stand on its own with a deep rooted community and excellent breadth of content. DDO or its users must feel like they need to recruit from CD. You may feel that is just, but you will not find us coming to DDO and creating debates about which is better...why?, because they are DIFFERENT! Side: Createdebate is better
"Point #1 CD is a flexible social debating website where everyone can participate in any debate. DDO is a rigid one on one debating website with a structure much like formal debate." Ok.... "Point #2 CD is based on freedom of speech, there are limited rules and virtually no taboo topics." Which results in debates about Rape fantasies... I don't think that this is a good thing. "DDO is based on debate topics not freedom of speech. There are more rules as there should be for the rigid structure of formal debating" The rules for debating on DDO are mostly set by the Instigator, as seen here: http://www.debate.org/debates/ "Point #3 We at CD are confident about our site, that it can stand on its own with a deep rooted community and excellent breadth of content. DDO or its users must feel like they need to recruit from CD. You may feel that is just, but you will not find us coming to DDO and creating debates about which is better...why?, because they are DIFFERENT!" You seem awfully arrogant. I'm not "recruiting", I'm testing out the debate mechanics. If I were just "recruiting" I wouldn't bother to defend my claim. Side: Debate.Org is better
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1st Point: You can participate in any debate, but against one man. Debates aren't when thousands of people yell at each other and comment on how stupid their points are and make biased claims. Those are just rant. DDO is far more organized and we're implementing team debates soon, so more people can participate. 2nd Point: You can do a lot on DDO. Did you even see imabench's debates? Lol, you can debate everything, as long as it's not outright insulting. 3rd Point: We're not even trying to recruit you. We are trying to DEBATE you, duh... ______________ On an unrelated note, why did everyone just dislike my arguments? They were valid. Side: Debate.Org is better
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We're not even trying to recruit you. We are trying to DEBATE you, duh... Do you really think you can hold a sophisticated debate about something entirely subjective and polarizing? On an unrelated note, why did everyone just dislike my arguments? They were valid. This is akin to walking into Buckingham Palace, calling the Queen a wrinkled old hag, and wondering why people dislike what you're saying. If this was on some sort of mutual website, then the arguments wouldn't be disliked. But you are on our turf, as it were, so be prepared for some shit. Side: Debate.Org is better
Point #1 Just to clarify a bit and add some info: DDO actually has both of these. The Forum on the site function as our "flexible social debating" platform, while there is the one on one debating system where you do the serious debating. The Forum is the more relaxed place to discuss, but doesn't necessarily exclude serious discussions. CD on the other hand, does not have the formal system; there's only one way to debate, which in my opinion easily gets messy. In DDO, we also have something called joke debates; here's an example http://www.debate.org/debates/ Point #2 We do have some rules, yes. But those do not interfere with the common definition of freedom of speech, as far as I can personally see. Example of a controversial and provocative debate: http://www.debate.org/debates/ Point #3 We do not feel the "need" to recruit. It's always fun with new talents though and I believe many of us are proud of our community, thus we want to share it with others. CD is a great site, if you're looking for an informal chat with others about topics you find interesting. DDO is a great site, if you're looking for both an intellectual debate with serious and well-thought response and for those who are looking for a regular discussion. Side: Debate.Org is better
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Contentions: 1) There is no difference in the flexibility of debates. DDO structures debates for easy debating for inexperience people. So there are rounds and voting periods, much like this site. You point on flexibility is based on the notion that: 'everyone can participate in any debate.' This is true for both sites, therefore both are equally flexible. Yet flexible is a horrid word to use. How is it relevant? What does it mean for a site to be flexible? 2) DDO is not based on debate topics. Users can debate whatever they want, whenever they want. Simple house-keeping rules and etiquette are found on both sites. The structure of a formal debate is not rigid however. No one will tell you how to post an argument. You are simply told how long you have got to post it and how big the post can be. Simple. Not formal at all, its the members of the site who determine what is debated, yet your opinion comes out of an uninformed view of DDO. A large portion of the debates are for fun or for trolls. Example: joke battles and flat earth debates. 3) The community on this site is inferior to the community spirit of DDO. A member who joins DDO will eventually get to know most of the active members around and join in the fun. Large games are set up with dozens of members participating like mafia games and members of DDO have a really fun time together. The forums of DDO are one of the big things that brings us closer together. In a debate, people disagree, in the forums, not so. People talk about everything possible in the forums, and discussions make for good friendships. Honestly is inevitable, as people post very personal things and matters that a close to them. I don't simply mean a cause that is close to them, like rights for animals, but actual personal things that members need the help of other members with, like advice for a broken relationship, and comfort for a lost one. This site however is set up for the explicit purpose of debate and nothing else. DDO on the other hand allows much more than debate. As for your last paragraph of DDO users coming here to recruit, nothing could be further from the truth. There are precious few DDO users who have ever heard of this site and no one is really interested in what you people have to say. I think its arrogance that makes you think that DDO users would want to take from you. I personally came here when a DDO member posted a link to this page in the forums about this site and what the external opinion of DDO Since there are a lot of very patriotic DDO members who enjoy the site too much for their own good, it was quite obvious that some would come here and stir up a ruckus either for fun, or because they have an opinion to say. From what you seem to be telling everyone, it isn't right for DDO users to come here and... debate?? Listen chum, anything is debatable, and that's why you posted your opinion here. Good day. Side: Debate.Org is better
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Nooo! It's too soulless for me! These people seem to right endless arguments on a regular basis- a feat in which I could only dream to achieve. And they do it so perfectly... so formal it burns my eyes! Damn them! They are like the private school of debates. :P Side: Createdebate is better
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You obviously have never been to forums or to any of the fun parts of DDO. The site has a forum dedicated to all that is funny. We have our trolls, imabench for instance, who makes videos of stupid things for the entertainment of members. No one here works hard for the enjoyment of others. As for lifeless? That's this site. Absolutely nothing happens except for debates. Side: Debate.Org is better
Createdebate is a place where we have fun. We're a close community, it's like a family. But we also get into some serious debates as well. We have an administrator who listens to us, our suggestions, and actually participates. I tried out Debate.org actually before I found CD, and I didn't like it. The setup was a difficult to get the hang of, and everyone seemed cold. I came here and was welcomed and heard. CD> Debate.Org any day. Side: Createdebate is better
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alright. this is getting annoying. let me make a few points 1.it doesnt matter which site is better, as long as u enjoy the site your on then it doesnt matter. deciding which is better wont change anything so stop criticizing each debate site and just enjoy the one your already on. 2. its not going to come to a real decision because mainly everyone from createdebate will vote for createdebate cuz thats their home, and vice versa with debate.org 3.fir people who prefer a more serious debate site, go to debate.org. for people who want seriousness and a little extra kookiness go to createdebate. done and done. now can people finally come to an agreement and stop downvotin my and other peoples answers? Side: Createdebate is better
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Without it sounding like I'm stroking his ego.... Andy is the most significant difference between these two sites for me. Both sites have equally good potentials to be a place where people can debate the issues of the day and actually learn something and have fun while debating things. Some people like a more rigid and structured debate and others like less rules and more chaos. Different strokes for different folks I huess. To be honest, I enjoy the more structured debates and tougher guidelines. I would still be using DDO if it was actually being managed with an accurate measure of the person's debating skills in mind. Andy doesn't even pretend to be able to do that. The scores here are a joke and he is (seems to be) fully aware of it. His priorities are to create a social environment first and everything else comes after that. Here, there is no pretentiousness. In DDO, there is. Side: Createdebate is better
I have'nt been on Debate.org but just by looking at what they have posted on here I dont think i'll bother, it sounds like the members are a pretty pompus lot with the whole we're the best and no one can debate as good us rhetoric. I dont understand why they have come on here with all this do they feel threatened or something because thats how their coming across, either that or the schoolyard bully desperately trying to get a response from someone who cant be bothered to fight them Side: Createdebate is better
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