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Debate Score:12
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Deism vs. Atheism

Deism is knowledge of God based on the application of our reason on the designs/laws found throughout Nature. The designs presuppose a Designer. Deism is therefore a natural religion and is not a "revealed" religion. The natural religion/philosophy of Deism frees those who embrace it from the inconsistencies of superstition and the negativity of fear that are so strongly represented in all of the "revealed" religions such as Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (These religions are called revealed religions because they all make claim to having received a special revelation from God which they pretend, and many of their sincere followers actually believe, their various and conflicting holy books are based on.)

From: http://deism.com/deism_defined.htm

Deism

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Atheism

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1 point

http://deism.com/dogmaticatheism.htm

Upon reading this, it becomes pretty obvious that the majority of the arguments put foreword by atheists are completely and catastrophically flawed.

Do read it all before you respond.

Side: Deism
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

Deism is silly. Deism sounds like defining God as whatever thing causes nature. God - The thing that caused the Big Bang to occur. God - the thing that started evolution. Etc. Deists are Agnostics in denial.

Side: Atheism
Emperor(1348) Disputed
2 points

Shit, biased, untruthful, website.

Look at the last quote by Sagan.

An [dogmatic] atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists…."

Added the word [dogmatic], already changing the meaning of what Carl meant, but also leaving out the rest of the quote.

"Those who raise questions about the God hypothesis and the soul hypothesis are by no means all atheists. An atheist is someone who is certain that God does not exist, someone who has compelling evidence against the existence of God. I know of no such compelling evidence. Because God can be relegated to remote times and places and to ultimate causes, we would have to know a great deal more about the universe than we do now to be sure that no such God exists. To be certain of the existence of God and to be certain of the nonexistence of God seem to me to be the confident extremes in a subject so riddled with doubt and uncertainty as to inspire very little confidence indeed. A wide range of intermediate positions seems admissible, and considering the enormous emotional energies with which the subject is invested, a questioning, courageous and open mind seems to be the essential tool for narrowing the range of our collective ignorance on the subject of the existence of God."— "The Amniotic Universe," Broca's Brain

Side: Atheism
1 point

I most of it. The author clearly has something against all atheists, he generalizes all atheists as essentially no different than dogmatic fundamentalist christians. The people who will curse you to hell for not believing their religion.

Dogmatic atheists peddling this slogan open themselves up to a simple question that exposes their ignorance and presumptions: What scientific research going on now is specifically looking for evidence of a Creator? (The answer is none.)

Specifically, none. But it's missing the point. There must be some initial trigger in order to cause research to be done. No one has been able to put forth evidence for god's existence, or when they did it turned out to be fraudulent or something else.

Perhaps I missed it but...how does the article then prove that the belief in deism is rational and evidence supported? I don't see how it overcame the default position of non belief.

Side: Atheism

I choose both.

As an atheist I lack belief that he exists.

As a deist I acknowledged that if he does, exist, we don't know much about it, and he probably doesn't visit.

Side: Deism
Nox0(1393) Disputed
1 point

I think that your state of mind have been described about century ago. It's called schizophrenia.

Side: Atheism

Atheism is more rational. I have not seen enough evidence of deism or other religions to convince me to abandon the default position of non belief.

Side: Atheism
1 point

Hmm. Prodigee thought I was a deist, now I know I'm definitely not.

Side: Atheism

I choose both.

As a deist I acknowledged that if he does, exist, we don't know much about it, and he probably doesn't visit.

As an atheist I lack belief that he exists.

Side: Atheism