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Debate Score:69
Arguments:45
Total Votes:87
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Democratic Socialists of America

All information taken from the official website of the Democratic Socialists of America.

If Democratic Socialists dominated the country:

-They would abolish the profit motive, “democratize” (meaning nationalize/socialize) the means of production, and rely on centralized economic planning.

“We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit...”

“We are socialists because we share a vision of a humane social order based on popular control of resources and production, economic planning, equitable distribution”

This is not a center-left movement, but admittedly a radical left movement. 

“DSA made an ethical contribution to the broader American Left by being one of the few radical organizations born out of a merger rather than a split.”

https://www.dsausa.org

Take a second look Al and excon. A DSA victory would be indistinguishable from Communism. Like other tyrannies in history, being voted in wouldn’t make them better.

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Anti DSA

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1 point

“We are socialists because we reject an economic order based on private profit...”

As well they should. You have no right to hold power over me simply because your great granddaddy robbed my great granddaddy. The fact that you cannot see this implies that you are a psychopath.

Side: Pro DSA
Amarel(5669) Disputed
2 points

There are two types of people who actively seek to destroy property rights; lazy thieves, and Communists. Oh wait, that’s one type.

Side: Anti DSA
Fiora(46) Disputed
1 point

There are two types of people who actively seek to destroy property rights; lazy thieves, and Communists. Oh wait, that’s one type.

The true nature of ownership
Side: Pro DSA
GhostOfNom(166) Disputed
0 points

There are two types of people who actively seek to destroy property rights; lazy thieves, and Communists. Oh wait, that’s one type.

What you actually mean is that Communists want to give the property back to the people, which is who you stole it from in the first place. You are exactly the same sort of corrupt dickhead who called Robin Hood a thief.

Side: Pro DSA
outlaw60(15368) Disputed Banned
2 points

As well they should. You have no right to hold power over me simply because your great granddaddy robbed my great granddaddy. The fact that you cannot see this implies that you are a psychopath.

Ryan the Mexican rolls up spewing insane nonsense. Now Ryan please explain how Socialism has made the amount of computers that are in the world ! Socialism did not build your computer Ryan the Mexican so how did it get built ??????????

Side: Anti DSA
1 point

There are a LOT of good Christians in this country that don't agree with the radical evangelical pressures to make America "Christian". There are a lot of conservatives in this country that want reasonable restrictions on the Second Amendment. There are a lot of BOTH that want our environment protected, the oceans, water, air, etc.

There are a lot of Social-Democrats that want the kind of Social-Democracy we've been living in for YEARS, rather than a religious conservative republic that wants to rewrite the Constitution to fit the Bible. NOT what the founders had in mind. The conservative side of that bunch also wants a capitalism that is FAR from what it was in the days of the founding. (Read: The Wealth of Nations … 1776 by Adam Smith).

So, I'm sure there is a radical bunch of "libs" that also want to take things too far. In almost ANY political group you have them. I consider myself a Social Democrat and I think what you put up IS a "bridge too far". In like manner to the radical conservatives, radical libs tend to stretch the Constitution to get TOO MUCH of their way. They will get support only to a reasonable level, or the country will go broke. Again, similar to radical conservatism or capitalism. I don't want much of what you posted, just enough of it to give U.S. healthcare, environmental care, fair taxes and income, racial and gender equality. Hmmm, and reasonable protection from the radicals of the Second!

Side: Pro DSA
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

I specifically referenced their website because they share their political positions with an increasing number of politicians including Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez.

The closest we came to the free markets discussed by Smith were in the 18th and 19th century. You couldn’t get us back to that level of government involvement if an anarchist was President.

Side: Anti DSA
AlofRI(3294) Clarified
1 point

I'd settle for much less than we had in 1956 under a Republican President, and into the 60's. No need to go back to the 18th/19th. The tax rate that allowed many to become millionaires was in the 60 to 90 percentile. No need for that. Of course, the rest of the world would have to work together also, cut out the GREEDY capitalism a bit. I didn't vote for Bernie because I think he IS too much like that website, but he would have been SOOO much better than what we ended up with! HE wouldn't lie any more than another normal politician, HE would not hold secret meetings with Putin, HE would not turn the U.S. into an evangelical state! White Nationalists would not be "charged up"! We could have had a bit of CONTROL over HIM!

It isn't the "government involvement" that is the point I took from the book, it was the capitalistic ethics that it touts. NOTHING like many businesses today … I said "many". The ethics CAN, and SHOULD be the same, which would make capitalists our beloved "providers"!

If we don't stop Trump and McConnell and Ryan, and a BUNCH of others we'll HAVE that anarchist after 2020!

Side: Pro DSA
outlaw60(15368) Disputed Banned
1 point

Crazy AL you Socialist rant but what you need to do is tell all about the Nirvana of Socialism !!!!!! Stop the babbling nonsense get to the point Socialist

Side: Anti DSA
1 point

Take a second look Al and excon. A DSA victory would be indistinguishable from Communism.

There's a lot of stuff I disagree with coming out of the mouths of people that I agree with.. I suspect, you're in the same boat.

Trump, and his ilk, represent a radical surge to the right.. It shouldn't be surprising that concomitant surge is happening on the left.

We're polarized. We're divided. And, it's getting worse.

excon

Side: Anti DSA
1 point

Hasn't it been proven time and again any form of socialism doesn't work??

Side: Anti DSA
excon(18260) Disputed
1 point

Hasn't it been proven time and again any form of socialism doesn't work??

Hello T:

Nahhh.. Your fire department is a good example of how a little bit of socialism within a capitalist society works pretty well.. Consider that the government owns the means of production.. Everybody pays in, and everybody is protected.. That's socialism personified..

Imagine for a minute, whether a private fire department would put out your fire if you were behind in your bill.

The police force is socialism.. So, is the military..

excon

Side: Pro DSA
Talkative(51) Disputed
1 point

That's not socialism my friend. Police force, military etc. I'm surprised anybody still spouts that nonsense. I'm not arguing for anarchism.

Neither is it an example of a socialist system, but a small amount of 'socialism' within a capitalist system.

Side: Anti DSA
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

It seems you confuse all government as such with socialism. The opposite of socialism is not anarchy, it’s capitalism, which requires government.

A free market economy relies on a government which has a monopoly on retributive force utilized to protect individual rights. Yes, all pay in and yes, all benefit, but that’s because these are naturally public goods. Which is to say free riders are unavoidable, thus payment from all is justifiable. The police and the fire department are not socialism, they are just government.

Side: Anti DSA