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 Democrats just received a wake up call to their Progressive extremism & what did they do? (14)

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Democrats just received a wake up call to their Progressive extremism & what did they do?

They once again chose Nacy Pelosi as their minority leader!

They will never get it because they are Liberal ideologs! No matter how many Americans say no to their Progressive intrusive mandates and policies, they refuse to listen because in their elitist arrogant minds, they are the enlightened ones who know what's best for us all.

Just as with Obama choosing to push forward with Obamacare after the American people said no, these extremist Progressives are pushing forward with the old status quo Liberal agenda by picking more of the same with the ultra Liberal divisive Nacy Pelosi.

I guess reality and failed results mean nothing to this extremist Democrat Party. There were many Democrats who voted for Trump because they were fed up with the Liberal political correct fixation.

Obama is still blaming Fox news for losing the election! He refuses to believe it was his failed policies that Americans hated. He still actually thinks, it was that Fox news (LOL). Gee, I wonder why Fox news is the highest rated cable news program decade after decade.
These Progressives are living in denial of their failed Progressive extremism creating such division in this nation.

They live in the big cites and never get out into the rest of America where the middle class live. Well guess what? Those middle class rural folks spoke loud and clear! We don't think like you elites think. Either you come back to the middle, or continue to lose elections.

I believe if the Democrat party does not come back to the middle, and quit worshiping at the alter of political correctness, we will be seeing a lot more Democrats switching parties.
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3 points

Can you give us the definition of vulgar? Apparently vulgar is pointing out you don't understand Christianity.

2 points

Barack O. knows nothing more than the Blame Game that's all the idiot has got in the tank. Obama is to narcissistic to accept his failure and the destruction he has done to the Progressive / Left party.

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Democrats are in the middle. You are so far right you forgot where the middle is.

FromWithin(8241) Disputed
2 points

I can't even reply to someone who actually thinks the Democrats are in the middle. WOW!

Cartman(18192) Disputed Banned
1 point

Yes, I am well aware of your inability to confront the truth.

SlapShot(2608) Disputed Banned
0 points

You still here, douche nozzle?

Thought you were gonna do us all a favor and split?

Fuck.

Oh....GoCart is correct, BTW. If you look at the entire political spectrum from right to left, Democrats and Republicans ARE in the middle, to the immediate left and right, respectively, of the center point.

See.......Nationalism or a Totalitarian Fascist regimeceould be extreme Right, along with an Iran style Theocracy, while communism and Socialism would sit on the far left. And in truth, Obama never really got close to Socialism in its purest sense.

Some will tell you that Anarchism is at the far left of the spectrum, but since that term denotes a total eradication of ANY form of government, this in not accurate.

Hope this helps. Maybe you should take a Poli Sci class?

SS

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This is actually something I would very much love to discuss. I myself live in New York City and I generally vote democrat in local and federal elections. I was mostly drawn to your point about democrats coming back to the middle. I think you do have a point, but it is interesting because I myself don't really see either the Democratic National Party or the Republican National Party as being particularly middle in their views. I think it seems to be an effect of people being afraid of not being 'pure enough' to their respective party in their beliefs. It seems to me that on the left there are definitely people who seem to think that anyone who believes in gun rights or anyone who wants to lower taxes is quickly demonized and attacked for being a conservative asshole, and similarly on the right there are definitely people who seem to think that agreeing with some of the aspects of universal healthcare or welfare are pussies who are trying to leech off of others hard work, ect. ect.

I think talking to people we don't necessarily agree with is crucial so that we don't end up getting caught up in who is the most pure conservative or who's the most pure liberal. I really don't think America as a whole can be summed up into two relatively extreme platforms. Personally, I agree with arguments on both sides so I don't consider myself a democrat, even though I tend to vote that way. Here's why:

If there is anything I've learned in my life it's that there's a lot more that I don't know. I don't know a lot of answers to hard questions that are currently facing down the nation. Myself, I know very little about economics so it's hard for me to really feel passionate about any position economically. I haven't had much experience at all interacting with people who haven't lived in America for most of their lives, so it's pretty hard for me to feel passionate about any position diplomatically either. However, there is one thing that I do personally find to be to me most important, which is human rights.

Human rights is the entire reason why I tend to vote democrat. I agree with some aspects of the democratic platform, disagree with others, and don't have much of an opinion about more. But, it always seems to me that on the Federal level, many if not all of the major party-emphasized Republican candidates want to revoke gay marriage rights, women's health rights, and often tend to support bills and stances that are disproportionately directed towards minorities.

As a straight white male, largely none of these stances affect me personally. That said, I really don't believe that it's okay to push bills or laws that affect the rights of others based on their sexuality, gender, or race. The foundations of America are built upon this- I believe America's power as a nation comes from our unity as a people- the fact that we can have these arguments and discuss issues because it forces us to think from different perspectives. To further that, I agree with your issue on political correctness. Trying not to offend somebody is reasonable. What's not reasonable is being offended by somebody's opinion, and then demonizing them, stereotyping them, or trying to censor them. I disagree with Tomi Lahren on many of her points, but I do respect her position and I would defend her right to make those points and to say the things that she does until I die. Just because somebody says something that we don't agree with doesn't make them a bad person, and it doesn't even make them wrong. I think there are very few right vs. wrong issues. But by arguing and debating, we gain perspective that we don't gain from talking exclusively to people we agree with.

What are your thoughts?

daver(1771) Clarified
3 points

The question of human rights has been expanded greatly with the inclusion of rights to free healthcare, free college, free housing, free food and so on. The underlying drivers of these expanded rights seems to be a movement toward socialism. Herein we find the controversy. To many, including myself, socialism is a failed system, to be avoided at all costs. This country was founded on a recognition of simple human rights to life, to liberty from government oppression and to the freedom to pursue happiness.

Very basic stuff. Going beyond that requires an ever larger and more powerful central government to deliver your right to food, shelter, healthcare and education. The controversy their comes from the the axiom that the larger and more powerful your government becomes, the smaller and weaker your freedoms become. That's the issue,------- Freedoms.

a14mclean(4) Clarified
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You're very right- I agree with you on many of these points. As a full disclaimer, I personally do not mind the idea of perfect ideal Socialism. For me, it does not matter how much money I make so long as I can feed my own family and provide for them a solid quality of life. I would easily forego a large salary if it meant that we could improve the quality of life of all americans. To me, in that scenario, the idea of ensuring food for all, healthcare for all, and education (not necessarily college but at the very least access to information and enough education to be able to effectively use that information) is very appealing to me.

That said, I do not think that idea of perfect socialism is remotely feasible. Obviously it depends upon public/government control and regulation which I think is the first place where this ideology breaks down. In fact, I think it's where a variety of related issues breaks down. I think common core is a pretty fantastic example- the intent, the direction, and the idea of a common core that all children across the united states should know is pretty incredible to me. Forgive the cliche but America's children are obviously in a very real sense the future of America- the nation suffers from a lack of education and flourishes from a well-established education. To clarify, by education I don't mean every child in America should have extensive knowledge of math/science/ect. However, at a bare minimum, I think every child in America should be taught literacy and should be exposed to a variety of ideas and concepts from various disciplines. Without these, children would have no way to find credible information to base their own opinions or to permanently record their own experiences. Common core is based on these very simple largely self-evident principles, but the execution of the design was positively horrific.

That's why I completely agree that the recent expansion of the umbrella topic of human rights is made less feasible by adding in these topics. In doing so, we discredit the importance of the more basic human rights.

To be fair I do believe in many of these topics, but not in the way that they are being attempted to be executed. I do believe that everyone should be guaranteed access to basic healthcare, no matter what. However even as a medical provider myself, I think much of the way that we go about medicine is completely and utterly flawed, which makes any attempt at truly universal healthcare destined to fail fantastically. That goes into a series of topics I think we need to address with our medical system before the idea of universal healthcare can even begin to be brought to the table.

Free college tuition is a bit silly to me, though the intent is solid. Like I mentioned previously, I believe in access to information and education to that end, but not necessarily access to college. Again, college opens up into another variety of issues that I have with the education which is another debate. Largely, I think we should focus on opening up and encouraging free platforms so that people have access to information.

But of course, you're right. There's a powerful drop-off where as government power starts to escalate to encompass every possible topic under the sun. Freedom is obviously one of the founding non-negotiable principles of America, and we do have to avoid over-compression of those freedoms in that respect. It's an interesting thought progression as to where the negatives outweigh the positives.

FromWithin(8241) Clarified
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You sound very young to be so conditioned to believe the rhetoric from Democrats concerning so called human right's violations from Republicans. Your priorities are truly misplaced.

Unless you are totally blind, would you call the right of life for viable unborn babies up to birth a human right's issue? If you do not, then you are as morrally dead inside as the Democrat Party.

Issues of humanity surpasses the rights of boys wanting to go in girl's bathrooms!

You would worry more about two men being able to marry each other than viable babies being killed. ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? PRIORITIES?

This is why these extremist Democrats lost the election. They care more for their voting blocks then they do all Americans. They care more about forcing every public school to allow boys in our daughter's bathrooms! They care more for the LGBT and feminist agendas, then they do a viable human life. They care nothing for the middle class. We are but their cash cow to buy votes.

It's sickening how blind Democrats are to the truly important issues in this nation.

I have heard this same nonsense from people like you for decades and it is truly disgusting.

You speak to women's health rights. There are no health rights of women not supported by the GOP other than late term abortions of viable babies for any reason.

SPARE US ALL THE PATHETIC LIES AND RHETORIC FROM THE LEFT.

Please spare me the usual lie from people who vote for Democrats. They typically say that they do not believe in late term abortions of viable babies for any reason... YET YOU ELECT THE VERY PEOPLE KEEPING IT LEGAL!

a14mclean(4) Disputed
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See, this is exactly where I'm saying this argument breaks down. Saying that I'm conditioned to democratic rhetoric, that my views are nonsense and disgusting, this is not an attempt at discussion. That's simply useless to anybody.

Regarding the remainder of the points that you raised:

Additionally, if you think something I say is a lie or simply rhetoric, please do point it out and I can attempt to clarify. However, if you truly find nothing I say remotely valuable, then absolutely feel free to stop reading my 'lies and rhetoric'. I'm simply discussing my own personal opinions. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm here to discuss a difference of opinion, not convert anyone or attack anyone's beliefs.

On the issue of abortions, yes. I think late-term abortions should occur only in absolute life or death situations. If the mother will certainly die carrying the child to term yet can survive through late abortion, then yes. Wouldn't it be even more immoral to allow both mother and child to die if we had the option to save one?

Further, yes I think early term abortions are acceptable for women who have been raped. Carrying a child for 40 weeks is not a trivial task. It requires lifestyle changes, and opens the mother up to a slew of horrific medical complications that can kill the mother, along with higher rates of mental illness. Further, I don't think forcing a woman to carry a reminder of rape for 40 weeks without solace seems particularly humane.

Obviously, it's not as if anyone views abortion as a good thing, or a happy thing. The argument that is to be made is one of humanity. Is the potential for a human life more valuable than an already living human, with thoughts, feelings, family, ect? The issue of late abortions in America is not one of mothers who just decided one morning that they didn't actually want to be a mother. Late abortions are performed exclusively in the united states if carrying the child would endanger the mother's life or health. Totally acceptable to disagree with my stance, but I'm obviously not pledging for convenience abortions.

As for women's health rights, there's been a large push to close down planned parenthood clinics because they perform abortion operations. However, the clinics also provide contraception and contraceptive advice (not just for sexually active women- many need contraceptives to treat other non-reproductive conditions) and cancer screenings. They're giving women information about their own health. Information many women don't receive otherwise.

On the topic of the bathroom laws, it really isn't quite as simple as boys simply walking into girls bathrooms. I understand that the situation is uncomfortable, but there's not a particularly solid solution. If a birth-female switches to male gender, should that student be forced to stay in the girls bathroom as well? Even if that student is undergoing testosterone therapy and has had a sex change operation? Where is the line drawn? It's a slippery slope that makes it difficult to clearly define the exact boundaries. I myself don't know of a proper method of handling the situation in a way that makes nobody uncomfortable, short of building transgender-specific bathrooms which is obviously not feasible for many places. Have you considered any other alternatives? I honestly do not know what the absolute best solution is here.

Regardless, thank you for your opinion. I honestly enjoy civil disputes. I'm sure you have perspectives on these issues I haven't considered.